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        |  Ignoble Son
 3dge of D4rkness
 SoulWing Alliance
 
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      | Posted - 2013.11.18 01:27:00 -
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 Patrick57 wrote:Yes, let's just remove Shield Extenders, and while we're at it, remove all other mods and mod slots too   
 Hay, I'm starting to like how you think... What's your little smiley face lookin at up there?
 
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        |  Miokai Zahou
 Film Actors Guilds
 
 54
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 01:34:00 -
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 -10/10
 
 Gas thread, ban OP, biomass the merc and blowup his/her ps3.
 
 Word of advice OP. Don't breed you will do us all a favor and apologies to the tree that is producing oxygen for you while your at it.
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        |  Moorian Flav
 Ectype Inc.
 
 94
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 02:18:00 -
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 The hundreds of trash posts such as this is part of the reason why DUST is in the sad state it's in.
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        |  deepfried salad gilliam
 Sanguine Knights
 
 143
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 03:07:00 -
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 You afraid of the. 05 seconds they add to ttk
 also am I the only finding his avatar ironic
 And do you run alpha damage weapons?
 
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        |  Sinboto Simmons
 SVER True Blood
 Public Disorder.
 
 2230
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 03:10:00 -
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 This is the most ass backwards thread I have ever seen
  
 Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB | 
      
      
        |  TEBOW BAGGINS
 The Corporate Raiders
 Top Men.
 
 1038
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 03:43:00 -
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 Ignoble Son wrote:I'm all for HP debuffs like the damage mod  yea so the noobs can cry more about damage mods since they can no longer cry about shields sounds like a great plan bro
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        |  DUST Fiend
 OSG Planetary Operations
 Covert Intervention
 
 7718
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 03:44:00 -
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 Moorian Flav wrote:The hundreds of trash posts such as this is part of the reason why DUST is in the sad state it's in. Welcome to the internet, would you like a brochure?
 
 Words / Vids / OSG | 
      
      
        |  Sgt Kirk
 SyNergy Gaming
 EoN.
 
 2856
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 03:47:00 -
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 Obvious satire troll post people.
 
 He makes a good point.
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        |  CharCharOdell
 
 1552
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 03:55:00 -
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 ur all idiots. it's an obvious troll post.
 
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        |  Borne Velvalor
 Endless Hatred
 
 921
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:04:00 -
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 Shield Extenders actually need a buff below PRO level. PRO extenders are great, everything below sucks. Armor Plates go up from 85 to 135 HP from STD to PRO, while Shield Extenders go from 22 to 66 HP. Due to speed penalties, Complex Plates aren't even worth using on most fits. Militia Plates are on most of my fits and work just fine. Militia Shield Extenders, on the other hand, suck. Shield tanking sucks unless you proto out and shield extenders take up damage slots. If you die in a 1 v 1 against a shield tanker, chances are they would've performed better by splitting their highs between complex damage and shields and just slapping militia plates in all their lows.
 
 CCP, please lower Complex Armor Plate speed penalties to 4%, lower Basic Armor Plate armor to 75 and buff Shield Extenders to 33/50/66. I want players to have intensives to run higher plates and the ability for non-protos to shield tank effectively. Right now, players just use armor with damage mods until proto, where they add a few complex extenders if they have 3 or more highs. Then there's the nutters that still use extenders with kincats.
 
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        |  TEBOW BAGGINS
 The Corporate Raiders
 Top Men.
 
 1041
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:06:00 -
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 CharCharOdell wrote:ur all idiots. it's an obvious troll post. 
 3/10...
 
 he could have tried harder to make us laugh some
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        |  Sinboto Simmons
 SVER True Blood
 Public Disorder.
 
 2234
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:08:00 -
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 CharCharOdell wrote:ur all idiots. it's an obvious troll post. Oh we know, but why not counter troll?
 
 Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB | 
      
      
        |  Atiim
 Living Like Larry Schwag
 
 1116
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:09:00 -
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 Guys we already know he's trolling, but don't say it out loud.
 
 I want to have an argument about this for some reason.
 
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        |  Ignoble Son
 3dge of D4rkness
 SoulWing Alliance
 
 385
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:16:00 -
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 Was just trying to prove a point that I made in another thread:
 
 https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121871&find=unread
 
 So far it's going pretty well. Wasn't fishing for laughs.
 
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        |  Spkr4theDead
 Red Star.
 EoN.
 
 1247
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:17:00 -
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 Ignoble Son wrote:They alow people to survive engaugments longer than they would if they were using something else in there high slots, oh I don't know, like damage mods for instance. I'm all for HP debuffs like the damage mod but I think that high slot HP buffs are a bunch of bull****. Shield extenders should most definitely be removed from the game, or at the very least nerfed into the ground. Troll post
 
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        |  knight of 6
 SVER True Blood
 Public Disorder.
 
 635
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:25:00 -
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 I agree with op. Shinkai Makoto is a real visionary. His ability to construct such rich and detailed artistic presentations is phenomenal. Anime has several directors that are talented and evidently passionate about constructing a stimulating visual effort pulsating with detail and motion and irregular, yet controlled camera movements that keep the audience on their toes, including Ishihara Tatsuya, Shinbo Akiyuki, Satoshi Kon and, of course, Miyazaki Hayao, but IGÇÖd willingly make the argument that none has the ability to manipulate complex and dynamic interactions of light and shadow, reflection, colour and bloom as perfectly as Shinkai does. ItGÇÖs not that Shinkai creates perfectly realistic visual environments; heGÇÖs more than willing to take artistic liberties with the laws of physics if it means enhancing the atmosphere or subtly pushing a visual motif. Specular reflections may have the intensity of laser light, and the reflection from a rear view mirror will focus exactly onto the camera from several hundred meters away. Strands of grass dance independently in the wind and the distant sea shimmers like a starry night. ShinkaiGÇÿs works have backgrounds that are alive.
 
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        |  Borne Velvalor
 Endless Hatred
 
 921
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:27:00 -
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 knight of 6 wrote:I agree with op. Shinkai Makoto is a real visionary. His ability to construct such rich and detailed artistic presentations is phenomenal. Anime has several directors that are talented and evidently passionate about constructing a stimulating visual effort pulsating with detail and motion and irregular, yet controlled camera movements that keep the audience on their toes, including Ishihara Tatsuya, Shinbo Akiyuki, Satoshi Kon and, of course, Miyazaki Hayao, but IGÇÖd willingly make the argument that none has the ability to manipulate complex and dynamic interactions of light and shadow, reflection, colour and bloom as perfectly as Shinkai does. ItGÇÖs not that Shinkai creates perfectly realistic visual environments; heGÇÖs more than willing to take artistic liberties with the laws of physics if it means enhancing the atmosphere or subtly pushing a visual motif. Specular reflections may have the intensity of laser light, and the reflection from a rear view mirror will focus exactly onto the camera from several hundred meters away. Strands of grass dance independently in the wind and the distant sea shimmers like a starry night. ShinkaiGÇÿs works have backgrounds that are alive. 
 I love it. It's like a random spam post you see on a forum someplace.
 
 Oh, wait. It is.
 
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        |  Lorhak Gannarsein
 
 601
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 04:50:00 -
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 but srsly, I seem to remember someone pointing out that mathematically speaking damage mods aren't worth using. Don't remember where, or how, but there it is.
 
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        |  Rusty Shallows
 
 510
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:26:00 -
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 Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:but srsly, I seem to remember someone pointing out that mathematically speaking damage mods aren't worth using. Don't remember where, or how, but there it is. Cat Merc didn't post the link in his themed tread. It sound interesting and someone really needs to post the link.
 
 Considering I used to squad with a sniper who kept building up damage mods and going for the next minmatar basic medium frame level for more high slots... all so he could keep up with the sniper rifle nerfs or be able to do two-body-shot-kills on most medium frames. Being able to stack armor plates in the lows to protect himself from enemy snipers didn't hurt either.
 
 So I'm curious how the math accounts for that trend.
 
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        |  ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
 Seituoda Taskforce Command
 Caldari State
 
 468
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:31:00 -
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 I agree.
 
 Your wasting your time though. All these ISK usin' pay-to-win scrubs are too dumb to understand.
 
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        |  Borne Velvalor
 Endless Hatred
 
 921
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:35:00 -
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 Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:but srsly, I seem to remember someone pointing out that mathematically speaking damage mods aren't worth using. Don't remember where, or how, but there it is. 
 The only math is a 1v1 with equal guns. The math shows that as long as a Complex Shield Extender is worth more than 10% of your HP, it'll win you more one on ones. The second damage mod is worth 9%, so you need to hit that, and the third is 6%, so you need to reach that. However, this assume both players stand still with all other gear being equal shooting each other with 100% accuracy. If you land more hits than your opponent, the damage mods are more useful. If you flanked your opponent, shields aren't doing anything. If you're being shot at as you are running to cover, damage mods aren't doing anything.
 
 If you just want to win 1 v 1s and are average in skill, there's generally little point in going beyond 2 damage mods due to stacking penalties, which don't exist on extenders. However, skilled players might use 3. There's little point in using 4 unless you rarely get hit, which is why Snipers use 4 sometimes.
 
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        |  Ronan Elsword
 Dead Six Initiative
 Lokun Listamenn
 
 96
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:41:00 -
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 Actually I think we should remove all slots from suits. Change all the stats of the racial suits to be equal to each other. With the AR for all races to be out soon, we can have completely even fights. Who needs customization. Picking perks that let us have a swarm launcher, and removing vehicles entirely.
 
 Yep let's do this... super excited...
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        |  APOPHIS Xxx
 The Sound Of Freedom
 Renegade Alliance
 
 20
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:46:00 -
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 What is your malfunction?! How about nerfing your crying? lol
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        |  Kira Takizawa
 Ethereal Eden
 
 44
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:53:00 -
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 Moonracer2000 wrote:I think the only thing wrong with shield extenders is a lack of a stacking penalty. Shields should be the least of your worries...=armor plates..
 
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        |  Kira Takizawa
 Ethereal Eden
 
 44
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 05:58:00 -
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 Rusty Shallows wrote:Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:but srsly, I seem to remember someone pointing out that mathematically speaking damage mods aren't worth using. Don't remember where, or how, but there it is. Cat Merc didn't post the link in his themed tread. It sound interesting and someone really needs to post the link. Considering I used to squad with a sniper who kept building up damage mods and going for the next minmatar basic medium frame level for more high slots... all so he could keep up with the sniper rifle nerfs or be able to do two-body-shot-kills on most medium frames. Being able to stack armor plates in the lows to protect himself from enemy snipers didn't hurt either. So I'm curious how the math accounts for that trend. That squad member must be sad... with one complex I can two-body-shot a medium.. if he needs more than one complex... I for one will laugh if he gets sniped trying to three-shot a medium.(UNLESS it's a gallante proto medium)
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        |  Altipher-D Altwood
 Ignominious Front
 
 0
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 06:32:00 -
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 hah, I got band from the forums, until the midle of Feb next year, for trolling for this thread. *facepalm* how ridiculous is that? *shakes his head. This thread is about as legitamate (as far as purpose/legit argument goes) as troll threads come.
 
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        |  Scheherazade VII
 
 136
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 18:50:00 -
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 Shields are no problem, you just need to adapt.
 
 If what you're doing isn't effective then change your tactics.
 
 
 Unless you're being shot at by someone with 3x your HP whilst dealing 2x the damage you can,
 then you're pretty much screwed.
 
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        |  Scheherazade VII
 
 136
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 18:51:00 -
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 Altipher-D Altwood wrote:hah, I got banned from the forums, until the middle of Feb next year, for trolling for this thread. *facepalm* how ridiculous is that? *shakes his head. This thread is about as legitamate (as far as purpose/legit argument goes) as troll threads come. 
 ban evading! quickly, catch him before he disappears!
 
 I'm still waiting to be un-banned, come on 27th...
 
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        |  Keri Starlight
 0uter.Heaven
 Proficiency V.
 
 2131
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 18:57:00 -
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 I'm actually surprised that some people made a serious reply to this thread.
 
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        |  Atiim
 Living Like Larry Schwag
 
 1127
 
 
      | Posted - 2013.11.18 18:58:00 -
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 Keri Starlight wrote:I'm actually surprised that some people made a serious reply to this thread. We're just counter-trolling
 
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