| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
|
|
| Author |
Thread Statistics | Show CCP posts - 0 post(s) |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2632
   |
Posted - 2013.11.18 03:08:00 -
[31] - Quote
abarkrishna wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:Cosgar wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:abarkrishna wrote:Double PG/ CPU for everything but logis. You mean the AMARR logi. No other logi suits have a side arm.
Making a gun that is only practical to use for one race and class is just idiotic. *facepalm* This is idea is to support All Logis having ONLY sidearms, then the Amarr Logi would have two sidearms. Here's the biggest problem with the sidearm only argument. Think about the ranges the other classes are fighting at, now think about the range logis would be forced to fight at to support their team. Now decide if you would rather have dead weight support only on your team, or someone that can support you through kills and equipment. I don't see an issue with that. At standard engagement ranges Logi's support their squad first and can then deal with secondary targets who close the distance with great fire power, this would reinforce the support role IMO, I would logi if Logi suits weren't essentially the jack of all trades, master of all. (( and I do understand the Logi draw backs, but they can cover almost any other suits specialised role better than it can and still support the team)) You do not see an issue with the fact that you are just about as slow as a heavy stuck using a pistol or sub machine gun when the rest of your team is dying and there is nothing you can do to stop it because you max range is 30 feet. Try making a logi with only a pistol on it and try to play as a logi. Then maybe you will not come up with such ******** ideas.
My advanced Scrambler Pistol is effective to 30 meters.
My SMG is good till 20M.
Have you actually tried a Logi with just a sidearm? Or are you making reckless assumptions?
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
|
Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1582
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 03:16:00 -
[32] - Quote
Ulysses Knapse wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Submachine guns use pistol caliber rounds. True enough. DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Carbines use rifle rounds. Not true, captain. The word "carbine" specifies barrel length, not caliber. Most modern weapons we call "carbines" use intermediate rounds. Carbines that use pistol caliber rounds are called submachine guns. DeadlyAztec11 wrote:PDW's use specialized ammo that is neither meant for rifles or SMG's. This is partially true. They use intermediate caliber rounds, same as Assault Rifles, but the rounds are shorter. DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Those are the definitions for the real life versions. You did a fairly poor job of coming up with that information, seeing as it's a third correct, a third partially correct, and a third incorrect.
Several PDW use Specialized Versions of the Pistol Rounds, or use the pistol round itself. Example, The Uzi.
The Common Rifle used by modern forces all utilize intermediate rounds, therefore he is correct in that assumption that Carbines use Rifle rounds.
And yes, SMG's do use Pistol rounds, so you both are correct in that assumption.
For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Replication Warrior
|
Leithe Askarii
Isuuaya Tactical
Caldari State
17
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 03:33:00 -
[33] - Quote
Side arms are ******* good.
SMG wrecks face in CQC and the Scrambler I find is killing up to 50m. |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
509
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 06:58:00 -
[34] - Quote
Leithe Askarii wrote:Draco Cerberus wrote:Having only a sidearm is bad because it is a huge limitation on what a Logi can do. Then they are limited to short-med range rather than being able to fire at all ranges. The limit to one light/sidearm is ok because it say you can only engage in one engagement range per fitting. Their role is not dedicated Slayer, consider it like BF where only Assault has access to all AR and Carbines, while other classes are restricted to carbines and other specific weapons.
Have you considered that if we wanted to play BF we would?
One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!
|
Alena Ventrallis
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
135
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 07:25:00 -
[35] - Quote
Logis need their light weapon. The problem is they are required to fit weapons, and since they are meant for lots of equipment, they can field basically proto everything, making them better than assaults.
Solution: require equipment slots be filled instead of weapons. Forces people to sacrifice some proto gear for equipment, whether they like it or not. |
Draco Cerberus
Hell's Gate Inc
509
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 07:30:00 -
[36] - Quote
Ok I found a video that would fit with your Logi not being able to use a light weapon rule that you have proposed...
Clarification on how great this rule is, this is number six in the list
One Universe...with friendly fire and Open World Game Play for all!
|
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
505
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 07:50:00 -
[37] - Quote
Leithe Askarii wrote:Side arms are ******* good.
SMG wrecks face in CQC and the Scrambler I find is killing up to 50m.
I'm an Armor tanker with an Assault MD with no sidearm taking splash damage in CQC, killing people trying to finish me with SMG. I've used SMG, they're decent, but no where near god-mode in CQC. |
DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2644
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 14:21:00 -
[38] - Quote
Justin Tymes wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:Side arms are ******* good.
SMG wrecks face in CQC and the Scrambler I find is killing up to 50m. I'm an Armor tanker with an Assault MD with no sidearm taking splash damage in CQC, killing people trying to finish me with SMG. I've used SMG, they're decent, but no where near god-mode in CQC.
Head shots, also flux grenade them first.
Very much beast mode.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
|
Meeko Fent
Commando Perkone
Caldari State
1595
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 14:26:00 -
[39] - Quote
Alena Ventrallis wrote:Logis need their light weapon. The problem is they are required to fit weapons, and since they are meant for lots of equipment, they can field basically proto everything, making them better than assaults.
Solution: require equipment slots be filled instead of weapons. Forces people to sacrifice some proto gear for equipment, whether they like it or not.
I agree with this point, but I would suggest that their bonus be changes from passive reps to something more useful as well. Like a equip fitting reduction.
For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Replication Warrior
|
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
222
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 14:47:00 -
[40] - Quote
Leithe Askarii wrote:Cosgar wrote:DeadlyAztec11 wrote:abarkrishna wrote:Double PG/ CPU for everything but logis. You mean the AMARR logi. No other logi suits have a side arm.
Making a gun that is only practical to use for one race and class is just idiotic. *facepalm* This is idea is to support All Logis having ONLY sidearms, then the Amarr Logi would have two sidearms. Here's the biggest problem with the sidearm only argument. Think about the ranges the other classes are fighting at, now think about the range logis would be forced to fight at to support their team. Now decide if you would rather have dead weight support only on your team, or someone that can support you through kills and equipment. I don't see an issue with that. At standard engagement ranges Logi's support their squad first and can then deal with secondary targets who close the distance with great fire power, this would reinforce the support role IMO, I would logi if Logi suits weren't essentially the jack of all trades, master of all. (( and I do understand the Logi draw backs, but they can cover almost any other suits specialised role better than it can and still support the team))
Here I have to disagree Logis can't perform the other suits role better but they can cover a lot of roles and i belive this is what makes a good support class. |
|
|
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4545
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 14:54:00 -
[41] - Quote
SMG - 20m-30m effective range
AR - 70m effective range
Carbine - 50m effective range ?
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
|
Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
507
|
Posted - 2013.11.18 15:49:00 -
[42] - Quote
DeadlyAztec11 wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Leithe Askarii wrote:Side arms are ******* good.
SMG wrecks face in CQC and the Scrambler I find is killing up to 50m. I'm an Armor tanker with an Assault MD with no sidearm taking splash damage in CQC, killing people trying to finish me with SMG. I've used SMG, they're decent, but no where near god-mode in CQC. Head shots, also flux grenade them first. Very much beast mode.
That requires prep, and assuming you don't get head shot first. All of this goes both ways and the AR doesn't need Flux Nades or head-shots to melt someone using a SMG in less than a second. |
|
|
| |
|
| Pages: 1 [2] :: one page |
| First page | Previous page | Next page | Last page |