That hurt me :( Not all young players are that whiny :(

Love the analogy, and if I wasn't on my phone I'd go into more detail as I agree..

Ive always wanted Dust to be that hard core, decision shooter with a cult following. But I think Dust's F2P model/marketing is really holding it back from Option B as far as "being the Darksoul of the FPS world".. Just look at monthly updates to keep the Younger more impatient crowd happy and constantly looking ahead.. Not saying it can't be done with a F2P model just not CCP's current one.. I think 1.7 will be a determining factor on what side of the fence CCP sees Dust on currently. .

I'm a console player myself, so this isn't a pc v console tirade, but I recognize that the console community is made of younger stuff, but one of the main reasons why I avoid most FPS games is because most communities of fps shooters generally don't handle losses or failures very well, are less likely to see them as learning curves. and less willing to adapt to changes, and as such usually make mechanics very vanilla. Mind you we all whine especially for release but the challenge is the reason to play.

I generally like difficult games which do frustrate you but which make actually change your style and tactics to be viable. It's one of the reasons why I liked the soul series, which I think is a perfect example, it had choices, but not all choices were equal. My preference for light builds had me running a pure dex fighti

The side of the fence that is peeking out to see the "suit life" - that is...TitanFall and Destiny.

As excited as I am for Destiny, I have serious doubts about it's longevity. I know Bungie has a 10 year plan, and IMO have a pretty substantial rapport with their community. But 10 years is unheard of for a growing community for a FPS game. I think CCP have a better chance of lasting 10 years while continuing to grow their player base with Dust. Namely, because it won't explode overnight, like Destiny and Titanfall and [insert franchise here] will.

Dust will slowly grow, much to the chagrin of the current community, and improve on gameplay the whole way. Destiny will come out swinging, drawing much applause and fanfare, and slowly dwindle to a smaller core over the coming year or two.

I will be playing both. I can guarantee that.

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Dude (Adamance here) I LOVED LORDRAN but don't even try to compare this game to Dark Souls, I would infact have to return to this game and eat your soul about 100 times and work for the Gallente while I do it.


This game is not even close the level DKS was, infact no games ever really were. The Souls series was PvP in a fantasy setting at its purest form, and an instant classic because of it.

Dusr 514 is a sub par Sci Fi shooter, with no original mechanics and is half finished.

I could tough Dark Souls and Demon's Souls, and soon Dark Souls II out because it was difficult, engaging, and such a deep world (look into the lore and you will see)...

But Dust is stale, boring, unfinished, poorly designed, unbalanced, lacking ways to play the game.... the list goes on.

My preference for light builds had me running a pure dex fighter, which on a first play through was not well suited to handle the big guys. To make it viable I had to spend considerable time converting to a dex/int spell sword hybrid mid way.

You also had to partner up with people to overcome obstacles (four kings).

Also the griefing in Dark souls was huge, the bell tower was 24/7, especially with the bottomless box glitch.

You lose all your unspent experience points if you died, so its not that it didn't have a penalty either. So while the dark souls community wasn't the largest it pretty much consisted of tough minded players. You should have seen the reaction when a talk of an "easy" mode was mentioned as a possibility.

I'm a console player myself, so this isn't a pc v console tirade, but I recognize that the console community is made of younger stuff, but one of the main reasons why I avoid most FPS games is because most communities of fps shooters generally don't handle losses or failures very well, are less likely to see them as learning curves. and less willing to adapt to changes, and as such usually make mechanics very vanilla. Mind you we all whine especially for release but the challenge is the reason to play.

I generally like difficult games which do frustrate you but which make actually change your style and tactics to be viable. It's one of the reasons why I liked the soul series, which I think is a perfect example, it had choices, but not all choices were equal. My preference for light builds had me running a pure dex fighter, which on a first play through was not well suited to handle the big guys. To make it viable I had to spend considerable time converting to a dex/int spell sword hybrid mid way. You also had to partner up with people to overcome obstacles (four kings). Also the griefing in Dark souls was huge, the bell tower was 24/7, especially with the bottomless box glitch. Yet despite all of this people still understood it as part of the game and that loosing, failing, etc was normal and OK. You lose all your unspent experience points if you died, so its not that it didn't have a penalty either. So while the dark souls community wasn't the largest it pretty much consisted of tough minded players. You should have seen the reaction when a talk of an "easy" mode was mentioned as a possibility

Now dust if very much an anomaly, while I have never played eve I knew what eve was about, so seeing New Eden come into an fps, I'm expecting New Eden unfairness and cruelty to an fps game where I thought that mentality of failures and adaptation would be the norm. Close Beta was brutal with the amount of imbalances and changes that went through, swinging to one extreme to the other, it was quite fun and chaotic. I play scout because it was one of the harder roles and the only other role I've considered was maining dropship piloting due to how difficult it is to stay positive isk wise. I also enjoyed dodging and surviving when getting overun by the enemy and I have played 1 v 16 matches with me as the one (got a "good job" for doing that) due to bad match making,

Now I think we have the Skyrim in Lordran issue here, and while I would just prefer to have the smaller Lordran community, or at most give Skyrim their own gamemode here but it seems the there is a segment that is more intent on turning Dust dust to Skyrim instead of keeping it in Lordran. There are imbalances in Dust, and they will be fixed and new imbalances will be created, and this cycle will go on as we keep adding content.

Plus games with cult followings are allowed to do more interesting and complex things than vanilla games meant to please the average person. A slow growing cult following is preffered over a vanilla explosion.

I also think the niche roles in Dust have a better understanding of performance acceptance vs the main offensive front liner who is upset if he can't own 24/7 in all situations, which also explains dust's nerfing history. I consider Dust's PS3 debut as Beta and its PS4 launch as the actual if it ever comes.

In the end though CCP is going to have to either A) create a place for Dust's Skyrim players to run to or B) Pick one or the other. If the goal is to match the popular fps tittles like cod, bf, or KZ (shadow fall looks fun too), then it will have to go the skyrim route, in which case you might as well go play the others titles. If it is looking to be the Dark souls of the fps world, then it needs to focus on keeping the content coming and balance it as we go.

I understand if I get any visceral comments, as we are still are operating in an unforgiving New Eden and thus things can get frustrating, but I was kind of wondering if the New Eden environment is something that your fps minded gamer can adjust to, or do you think that Dust is going to have to lighten up and become more vanilla?

Anyways, I don't expect too many hits due to length on content, just kind of letting my thoughts out. Regardless thank you for your time.

That hurt me :( Not all young players are that whiny :(

I think I agree with you, though I've never heard of the game you compare Skyrim to, so if you will, please enlighten me

No matter what this game will never give that rewarding feeling I got when I killed Firelurker for the first time. (Solo)

Was really one of the best feelings I've ever had playing a video game.



Never!

No matter what this game will never give that rewarding feeling I got when I killed Firelurker for the first time. (Solo)

Was really one of the best feelings I've ever had playing a video game.



Never!

By simply looking at screenshots of Destiny i feel it's already further along with development then dust currently is.

It took dust over a year just to throw snow on the ground and is still struggling with balance.

Bungie apparently has the talent that CCP sorely needs.

Again FPS= gladiator sports.

I remember something I told gimble. From what I've seen being here since closed beta, Players with mmo background find dust a little easier to swallow. where fps choke on it.

Too "hard core?" lol no. Socom and arma will say something about hard core.

Now hard core as in a second job kind of way? then yes. FPS is about the competition. Not the punching in to work.

Just skimming through your post, you seem spot on. Yes, the younger nature of console shooters brings with it the less patient, more whiny, entitled crowd. I know that doesn't apply to everyone, but it's close enough.


I do think that New Eden is too harsh for the average console shooter. I do believe CCP needs to keep it this way, and go for the cultist following, as you put it. It will grow, just not as quick as the others FPS dominating franchises. I agree, this is a good thing.

Yes cult classic BURN THE COD PLAYER BURN HIM NOW!

Lol.

Sounds like a Minmatar ritual to me. I'm betting most of those COD players are Amarr, anyway.

I've noticed that actually because Amarr is the first choice for players...