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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.16 21:47:00 -
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Why do I hate HAVs?
I hate HAVs because whenever I rep them with my Limbus, I get no reward whatsoever. No Triage Points, not even Guardian points
I use my Limbus to save someone 400k-2m ISK, and I get 0 WP for it. None at all.
Logistics get huge amounts of WP for repairing heavies, so why can't we do the same to their Attack Vehicle variants.
I propose that we get around 50-90 points for every 150HP repaired. And to prevent stat padders from grabbing a Soma and crashing into everything for free WP, I would put a cap on the amount of WP you can get.
For example, you stop receiving WP when you heal x% of an HAV's health.
And why do I hate pilots you ask?
They kill me that's why. Even when I'm on their team.
I run over the people carrying Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers (And that one odd guy running around with a PLC), and guess what they award me with? Death that's what.
You try to turn the corner and BAM! Before you can even react you've been reduced to a smoldering pile of ash because a tanker thought they should go and play a nice game of leap frog with your 2-350k Limbus.
And you don't earn that much WP, so good luck earning that back in one match.
On another note, why give us 90 Triage WP for repairing dropsuits but 0 WP for repairing vehicles?
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Gorra Snell
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
226
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Posted - 2013.11.16 22:55:00 -
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I wondered about this when I started late in beta, and the answer I found on the forums is that they removed vehicle repping WP to solve WP farming exploits where you'd damage your own vehicle and rep it. Some solution  |
Tesfa Alem
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
0
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:01:00 -
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Better to get 'gaurdian' WP, so you are keeping the tank alive while its fighting rather than repping them. They are removing LLAVs so its a moot point. |
Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
2088
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:12:00 -
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Atiim, please avoid this stereotype and take player by player...
You will never see me bumping into friendly LAV's with my Gunny.
It's quite the opposite, I tend to stop to let infantry and LAV's pass, unless I'm in danger... in that case I will run straight away and I'm confident that, if you're a good LAV driver, you are aware of the enemy AV and you realize that I'm going in the opposite direction... ...
As for LLAV WP, that's a shame. However, you will need a shield transporter to help me... don't worry, I will spec out of shield tanks once I get my SP back.
Caldari tanks are so broken that's not even funny. Maddies are just another planet. When I first tried a well-fitted Maddy I couldn't believe that they are so different. I guess that 1.7 is going to change something and make Gunnlogi's the best anti-tank and the Maddy the best active support tank, which already is.
-1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m
-Goodbye my love, Tac AR
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
478
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:46:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Atiim, please avoid this stereotype and take player by player...
You will never see me bumping into friendly LAV's with my Gunny.
It's quite the opposite, I tend to stop to let infantry and LAV's pass, unless I'm in danger... in that case I will run straight away and I'm confident that, if you're a good LAV driver, you are aware of the enemy AV and you realize that I'm going in the opposite direction... ...
As for LLAV WP, that's a shame. However, you will need a shield transporter to help me... don't worry, I will spec out of shield tanks once I get my SP back.
Caldari tanks are so broken that's not even funny. Maddies are just another planet. When I first tried a well-fitted Maddy I couldn't believe that they are so different. I guess that 1.7 is going to change something and make Gunnlogi's the best anti-tank and the Maddy the best active support tank, which already is.
If i see you on my team, rest assured I will hunt AV relentlessly for you. Just don't run over the little scout darting between cover. 
I am apparently not the only fool
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
EoN.
204
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:58:00 -
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Destroying an LAV with a tank did you charge it head on, this pesky LAV kept ramming so I pushed it into a wall that didn't work so I drove over it my tank was completely over the LAV and it took no damage, yet the friendly LAV was actually doing some miniscule damage to my HAV it's your fault you blew up not the tanks.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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Keri Starlight
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
2090
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Posted - 2013.11.16 23:58:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:If i see you on my team, rest assured I will hunt AV relentlessly for you. Just don't run over the little scout darting between cover.
I'll be paying attention ;)
Anyway, I rarely drive tanks, by now. There is a good chance you will see me playing as infantry.
If you're a scout, feel free to use my position to flank our enemies. I'm a medium-long range skirmisher, so whenever you see me holding a position, that's probably a safe zone, since I need to keep some distance from the chokepoints to accomplish my role. Let me distract the enemies and go finish them off with your shotgun or whatever gun you use. I'll be watching and enjoying the view.
-1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m
-Goodbye my love, Tac AR
"I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
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Llast 326
An Arkhos
478
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:07:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Llast 326 wrote:If i see you on my team, rest assured I will hunt AV relentlessly for you. Just don't run over the little scout darting between cover. I'll be paying attention ;) Anyway, I rarely drive tanks, by now. There is a good chance you will see me playing as infantry. If you're a scout, feel free to use my position to flank our enemies. I'm a medium-long range skirmisher, so whenever you see me holding a position, that's probably a safe zone, since I need to keep some distance from the chokepoints to accomplish my role. Let me distract the enemies and go finish them off with your shotgun or whatever gun you use. I'll be watching and enjoying the view.
Sounds like a plan.
Shotguns are far to messy for me, I prefer the delicate touch of Nova Knives, and precision of Pistols, and you'll probably see some rag dolls flying around
I am apparently not the only fool
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1059
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:28:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Atiim, please avoid this stereotype and take player by player...
You will never see me bumping into friendly LAV's with my Gunny.
It's quite the opposite, I tend to stop to let infantry and LAV's pass, unless I'm in danger... in that case I will run straight away and I'm confident that, if you're a good LAV driver, you are aware of the enemy AV and you realize that I'm going in the opposite direction... ...
As for LLAV WP, that's a shame. However, you will need a shield transporter to help me... don't worry, I will spec out of shield tanks once I get my SP back.
Caldari tanks are so broken that's not even funny. Maddies are just another planet. When I first tried a well-fitted Maddy I couldn't believe that they are so different. I guess that 1.7 is going to change something and make Gunnlogi's the best anti-tank and the Maddy the best active support tank, which already is.
Well, It would be hard to go player by player, as (and I'm not joking) 99% of my Limbi that has been destroyed was because of friendly HAVs playing chicken or Leapfrog.
Yeah you would think they would drive in the opposite direction of AV right? Most of these people drive straight towards them. Some of them even turn around, and then drive backwards straight into you. It's ridiculous. It's like giving 10 year olds the keys to a Ferrari and telling them that they can drive however they want.
Also, with the new vehicle changes both Gunnlogies and Madrugars will use the same skill, so there is no reason to spec out of vehicles just for that.
And my Limbus has both Shield Transporters and Remote Armor Repairers.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1059
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:32:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Destroying an LAV with a tank did you charge it head on, this pesky LAV kept ramming so I pushed it into a wall that didn't work so I drove over it my tank was completely over the LAV and it took no damage, yet the friendly LAV was actually doing some miniscule damage to my HAV it's your fault you blew up not the tanks.
Ok I'll tell you what.
I will call out both my Madrugar and my strongest Limbus for you.
Then I will turn around so you have some leeway to move about. Then start randomly driving backwards for no reason until your a smoldering pile of ash.
It wouldn't be my fault at all would it?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1059
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:34:00 -
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Tesfa Alem wrote:Better to get 'gaurdian' WP, so you are keeping the tank alive while its fighting rather than repping them. They are removing LLAVs so its a moot point.
I'd say it would be better to get both. Currently we have none.
And they said they were only removing them "Temporarily"
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
EoN.
204
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:36:00 -
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You get guardian points for repping a tank when it kills someone just you have to you use a hand held repper which makes 0 sense.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1059
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:39:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:You get guardian points for repping a tank when it kills someone just you have to you use a hand held repper not the proper way with a Limbus which makes 0 sense.
That's terrible.
Why would I or any other tanker with 3-8k armor want someone who only reps at around 70HP/s?
They'd be more of an annoyance if anything. Unless they help gun down the AV 
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1103
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Posted - 2013.11.17 00:57:00 -
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I hate HAV pilots because they can use a keyboard to flee like bitches at the first sign of real danger.
Oh did I forget to mention that keyboards allow them to travel far faster than a DS3? Not to mention the fact that as far as I can tell they seem to ignore even semi realistic physics by not losing any speed whatsoever while traveling up what would constitute graded inclines.
I really, really hope 1.7 fixes some of the more glaring things like those I've just mentioned. I am not asking for 100% realism, but c'mon, is it really that hard to incorporate torque?
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives
Karin Midular, gone, never forgotten
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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SoTarian PoParrazi
Shining Flame
Amarr Empire
215
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Posted - 2013.11.17 01:02:00 -
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I find it funny you expect tankers to be nice to you when you're a jerk to them on the forums lol
n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ - Let's make a contract!
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Blake Kingston
Sinq Laison Gendarmes
Gallente Federation
144
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Posted - 2013.11.17 02:50:00 -
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Llast 326 wrote:If i see you on my team, rest assured I will hunt AV relentlessly for you. Just don't run over the little scout darting between cover.
Reminds me of the time I was about to die and a tank comes and kills the guy - I go hop into the tank so I can self repair for a bit. Then a swarm launcher guy pops up, starts hammering the tank! I jump out and hose him, saving the tank!
It was a real good team work moment!
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Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
2212
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Posted - 2013.11.17 02:59:00 -
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You just love causing **** don't ya lol
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Forum Warrior level 2
A grunt of STB
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:24:00 -
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SoTarian PoParrazi wrote:I find it funny you expect tankers to be nice to you when you're a jerk to them on the forums lol
The thread title was a joke lol
I'm just requesting that we get Triage and Guardian points for repping them with a Limbus.
Well that, and for them to stop running me over for no good reason 
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1240
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:29:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why do I hate HAVs? I hate HAVs because whenever I rep them with my Limbus, I get no reward whatsoever. No Triage Points, not even Guardian points I use my Limbus to save someone 400k-2m ISK, and I get 0 WP for it. None at all. Logistics get huge amounts of WP for repairing heavies, so why can't we do the same to their Attack Vehicle variants. I propose that we get around 50-90 points for every 150HP repaired. And to prevent stat padders from grabbing a Soma and crashing into everything for free WP, I would put a cap on the amount of WP you can get. For example, you stop receiving WP when you heal x% of an HAV's health. And why do I hate pilots you ask? They kill me that's why. Even when I'm on their team. I run over the people carrying Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers (And that one odd guy running around with a PLC), and guess what they award me with? Death that's what. You try to turn the corner and BAM! Before you can even react you've been reduced to a smoldering pile of ash because a tanker thought they should go and play a nice game of leap frog with your 2-350k Limbus. And you don't earn that much WP, so good luck earning that back in one match. On another note, why give us 90 Triage WP for repairing dropsuits but 0 WP for repairing vehicles?
This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. Seems you're also a bad driver that doesn't pay attention to the radar if you're crashing into other vehicles.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:47:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:
This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. Seems you're also a bad driver that doesn't pay attention to the radar if you're crashing into other vehicles.
Stop beating a dead horse. Everyone here already knows I am a tanker. DEAL WITH IT.
And yeah If I stare at the radar all the time instead of paying attention to the road, wouldn't that make me a bad driver by default?
Bad LLAV Driver? LOL
Lets say in real life, I was to make a stop and turn around. Then I start moving forward a bit. What would you say happens next? I keep going forward?
Of course not. I randomly going backward with my Nitrous modules on for no reason whatsoever. I crash into you and total your car.
Would the judge say your just a bad driver if you decided to sue me? Or would the judge force me to pay for a replacement?
You may not care about getting WP but I guarantee most LLAV pilots do. It makes no sense as to why I get 0-200 WP per match when I'm the one keeping the tank alive.
Also, I don't know if I would call you a tanker. I think the term "hypocrite" is an order.
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CharCharOdell
1550
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:53:00 -
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it's not like we WANT to run into you because that's about 2000 dmg we end up taking and could kill us. Most of the time, at least, i assure you it is an accident.
As for the WP thing, blame CCP.
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Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1242
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Posted - 2013.11.17 03:59:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. Seems you're also a bad driver that doesn't pay attention to the radar if you're crashing into other vehicles.
Stop beating a dead horse. Everyone here already knows I am a tanker. DEAL WITH IT. And yeah If I stare at the radar all the time instead of paying attention to the road, wouldn't that make me a bad driver by default? Bad LLAV Driver? LOL Lets say in real life, I was to make a stop and turn around. Then I start moving forward a bit. What would you say happens next? I keep going forward? Of course not. I randomly going backward with my Nitrous modules on for no reason whatsoever. I crash into you and total your car. Would the judge say your just a bad driver if you decided to sue me? Or would the judge force me to pay for a replacement? You may not care about getting WP but I guarantee most LLAV pilots do. It makes no sense as to why I get 0-200 WP per match when I'm the one keeping the tank alive. Also, I don't know if I would call you a tanker. I think the term "hypocrite" is an order.
How many times do we have to say that simply having only a few million into vehicles doesn't make you a tanker?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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nakaya indigene
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
98
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:01:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Why do I hate HAVs? I hate HAVs because whenever I rep them with my Limbus, I get no reward whatsoever. No Triage Points, not even Guardian points I use my Limbus to save someone 400k-2m ISK, and I get 0 WP for it. None at all. Logistics get huge amounts of WP for repairing heavies, so why can't we do the same to their Attack Vehicle variants. I propose that we get around 50-90 points for every 150HP repaired. And to prevent stat padders from grabbing a Soma and crashing into everything for free WP, I would put a cap on the amount of WP you can get. For example, you stop receiving WP when you heal x% of an HAV's health. And why do I hate pilots you ask? They kill me that's why. Even when I'm on their team. I run over the people carrying Forge Guns and Swarm Launchers (And that one odd guy running around with a PLC), and guess what they award me with? Death that's what. You try to turn the corner and BAM! Before you can even react you've been reduced to a smoldering pile of ash because a tanker thought they should go and play a nice game of leap frog with your 2-350k Limbus. And you don't earn that much WP, so good luck earning that back in one match. On another note, why give us 90 Triage WP for repairing dropsuits but 0 WP for repairing vehicles?
I agree with the first part with the repping.. it gives incentive to use llav (however they are removing them with 1.7)
but the second part reminds me of why blue lav drivers are idiots. Tanks are a HUGE target for the rest of the enemy team. our option to stop for every FRAKKING lav (that has no situation awareness) and get bombed by AV. OR keep going. and thats IF the tank can see you . I drive tanks and lavs. I HAVE NEVER RUN INTO A BLUE TANK. you know why? because I know they cant evade, its the LAV drivers job to evade NOT the tank. well because they cant . just get better at driving SCRUB. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1242
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:01:00 -
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Also, next thing you infantry are going to complain about is that you should get 5WP for spawning before you get the first message telling you to spawn, then another 5 WP if you jump out of the MCC and successfully use the inertial dampener before hitting the ground, thus not taking any damage.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:04:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:[quote=Atiim]
How many times do we have to say that simply having only a few million into vehicles doesn't make you a tanker?
Why must you defile the grave of this horse? Hasn't his corpse taken enough beatings?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:10:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Also, next thing you infantry are going to complain about is that you should get 5WP for spawning before you get the first message telling you to spawn, then another 5 WP if you jump out of the MCC and successfully use the inertial dampener before hitting the ground, thus not taking any damage.
Next thing you know tankers are gonna start saying that AV shouldn't do damage to them and the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank.
Oh wait. 
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:17:00 -
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nakaya indigene wrote:
I agree with the first part with the repping.. it gives incentive to use llav (however they are removing them with 1.7)
but the second part reminds me of why blue lav drivers are idiots. Tanks are a HUGE target for the rest of the enemy team. our option to stop for every FRAKKING lav (that has no situation awareness) and get bombed by AV. OR keep going. and thats IF the tank can see you . I drive tanks and lavs. I HAVE NEVER RUN INTO A BLUE TANK. you know why? because I know they cant evade, its the LAV drivers job to evade NOT the tank. well because they cant . just get better at driving SCRUB.
Oh noes, he told to GET GOOD D:
Whatever shall I do?
So basically your saying that if a tank comes to a complete stop and then starts randomly driving backwards it's my fault for getting run over? Even when there was no reason to? If I don't stay near the HAV then I can't rep it, and if I get in front of it... Then I'm just asking to get flattened.
Get better at using logic DEBATE SCRUB
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1242
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:21:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
How many times do we have to say that simply having only a few million into vehicles doesn't make you a tanker?
Why must you defile the grave of this horse? Hasn't his corpse taken enough beatings?
But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1242
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Also, next thing you infantry are going to complain about is that you should get 5WP for spawning before you get the first message telling you to spawn, then another 5 WP if you jump out of the MCC and successfully use the inertial dampener before hitting the ground, thus not taking any damage. Next thing you know tankers are gonna start saying that AV shouldn't do damage to them and the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank. Oh wait.
The best counter =/= the only counter
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
454
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:27:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:You get guardian points for repping a tank when it kills someone just you have to you use a hand held repper not the proper way with a Limbus which makes 0 sense.
Really? Wow.
I'm totally gonna spend an entire game repping a tank now.
Damn Imperials!
Dust 514 belongs to the ARs!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1072
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:31:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
How many times do we have to say that simply having only a few million into vehicles doesn't make you a tanker?
Why must you defile the grave of this horse? Hasn't his corpse taken enough beatings? But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together.
I'm not on a crusade against tanks.
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Void Echo
2196
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
How many times do we have to say that simply having only a few million into vehicles doesn't make you a tanker?
Why must you defile the grave of this horse? Hasn't his corpse taken enough beatings? But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together. I'm not on a crusade against tanks.
HA whatever
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Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet
Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1072
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:33:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Also, next thing you infantry are going to complain about is that you should get 5WP for spawning before you get the first message telling you to spawn, then another 5 WP if you jump out of the MCC and successfully use the inertial dampener before hitting the ground, thus not taking any damage. Next thing you know tankers are gonna start saying that AV shouldn't do damage to them and the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank. Oh wait. The best counter =/= the only counter
Are you $#!tting me?
Why should one class be the best and only counter to it's same class?
That's like saying the only counter to a Medium Frame with a Duvolle should be another Medium Frame with a Duvolle
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
454
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:38:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules.
I don't even know where to begin.
Take away tanker WP for killing and destroying things. Apparently they don't care if they get WP for doing what they're supposed to. No, they do it because they love to tank. That should be reward enough.
Damn Imperials!
Dust 514 belongs to the ARs!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1073
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:38:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together.
I'm not on a crusade against tanks. HA whatever
I'm not.
I'm on a crusade against idiots like you and Spkr who spread lies about AV and want nothing more than Tanks to be the only counter to tanks and the ability to go 30-0 without trying.
All I want is complete balance. Can you say the same thing Void Echo? No you can't.
Neither can 99.999999% of the HAV community.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
455
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:The best counter =/= the only counter Are you $#!tting me? Why should one class be the best and only counter to it's same class? That's like saying the only counter to a Medium Frame with a Duvolle should be another Medium Frame with a Duvolle
Actually, he did just say that it doesn't have to be the only counter. Kinda shooting yourself in the foot and there are already a lot of bullet wounds.
Damn Imperials!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1073
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:44:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:The best counter =/= the only counter Are you $#!tting me? Why should one class be the best and only counter to it's same class? That's like saying the only counter to a Medium Frame with a Duvolle should be another Medium Frame with a Duvolle Actually, he did just say that it doesn't have to be the only counter. Kinda shooting yourself in the foot and there are already a lot of bullet wounds.
Hmm. I must have misinterpreted his post then.
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Void Echo
2196
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Posted - 2013.11.17 04:50:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together.
I'm not on a crusade against tanks. HA whatever I'm not. I'm on a crusade against idiots like you and Spkr who spread lies about AV and want nothing more than Tanks to be the only counter to tanks and the ability to go 30-0 without trying. All I want is complete balance. Can you say the same thing Void Echo? No you can't. Neither can 99.999999% of the HAV community.
yes I can say the same thing, all iv ever wanted was balance. there is not balance here, vehicles are dead because av is dominant.
what part about tanks being the best counter to another tank means that its the only counter?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1073
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:00:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together.
I'm not on a crusade against tanks. HA whatever I'm not. I'm on a crusade against idiots like you and Spkr who spread lies about AV and want nothing more than Tanks to be the only counter to tanks and the ability to go 30-0 without trying. All I want is complete balance. Can you say the same thing Void Echo? No you can't. Neither can 99.999999% of the HAV community. yes I can say the same thing, all iv ever wanted was balance. there is not balance here, vehicles are dead because av is dominant. what part about tanks being the best counter to another tank means that its the only counter?
1.) AV is dominant right now because of the vast amounts of people who have thier AV skills maxed out. Because of this, only the strongest of the strong can survive. And that's how it should be. Only the strongest of the strong tankers should survive against the strongest of the strong AV users. And vice versa. Only the strongest of the strong AV users should be capable of destroying the strongest of the strong HAV Pilots.
2.) It's not balanced if one thing is greater than the other. Why should I bother with AV if I can use an HAV to destroy it much faster while also being able to devastate infantry simultaneously?
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Void Echo
2196
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:06:00 -
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Atiim wrote:1.) AV is dominant right now because of the vast amounts of people who have thier AV skills maxed out. Because of this, only the strongest of the strong can survive. And that's how it should be. Only the strongest of the strong tankers should survive against the strongest of the strong AV users. And vice versa. Only the strongest of the strong AV users should be capable of destroying the strongest of the strong HAV Pilots.
2.) It's not balanced if one thing is greater than the other. Why should I bother with AV if I can use an HAV to destroy it much faster while also being able to devastate infantry simultaneously?
why bother skilling into tanks if they get destroyed 5 seconds after you deploy them? see? no balance
being the fact now that only the strongest of us survive is exactly why its a dying class, there are no new tankers here because its not worth skilling into because its not a fun class anymore.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1242
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:16:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:
How many times do we have to say that simply having only a few million into vehicles doesn't make you a tanker?
Why must you defile the grave of this horse? Hasn't his corpse taken enough beatings? But you keep calling yourself a tanker. You're on a crusade against tanks. The two do not go together. I'm not on a crusade against tanks.
LOL!
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1242
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:18:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. I don't even know where to begin. Take away tanker WP for killing and destroying things. Apparently they don't care if they get WP for doing what they're supposed to. No, they do it because they love to tank. That should be reward enough.
Great way to take tanks off the battlefield without having to actually remove them and their skill tree.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1074
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Posted - 2013.11.17 05:20:00 -
[43] - Quote
Void Echo wrote:Atiim wrote:1.) AV is dominant right now because of the vast amounts of people who have thier AV skills maxed out. Because of this, only the strongest of the strong can survive. And that's how it should be. Only the strongest of the strong tankers should survive against the strongest of the strong AV users. And vice versa. Only the strongest of the strong AV users should be capable of destroying the strongest of the strong HAV Pilots.
2.) It's not balanced if one thing is greater than the other. Why should I bother with AV if I can use an HAV to destroy it much faster while also being able to devastate infantry simultaneously? why bother skilling into tanks if they get destroyed 5 seconds after you deploy them? see? no balance being the fact now that only the strongest of us survive is exactly why its a dying class, there are no new tankers here because its not worth skilling into because its not a fun class anymore.
Strongest HAV =/= Strongest AV
You think I like being AV? Do you think it's fun, thrilling, and action packed? It's quite possibly the most boring role this game has ever created, Even assault is less repetitive and boring than AV. I hate the fact that whenever I see a red RDV I have to either run to the supply depot and grab a Swarm Launcher, or pray that it's an LAV not trying to play NFS: Muder Taxi Edition.
The whole AV vs HAV problem is very similar to what many would like to call "protostomping". We have beginners and New Tankers who don't quite know what they are doing being pitted up against players like me who has millions of SP invested into AV. Tanks are a dying class because of the fact that very few people are good enough to survive against the best AV. And there are so many people with PRO AV that if you don't have at least 5m SP invested into vehicles, you can prepare to lose your tank.
Tanking is currently like 1 squad with PRO gear and 10 randoms in starter fits being pitted against 16 brick tanked logis carrying Duvolles.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1078
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:05:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. I don't even know where to begin. Take away tanker WP for killing and destroying things. Apparently they don't care if they get WP for doing what they're supposed to. No, they do it because they love to tank. That should be reward enough. Great way to take tanks off the battlefield without having to actually remove them and their skill tree.
Well he was using your logic.
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CharCharOdell
1551
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:18:00 -
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Atiim wrote:[quote=Spkr4theDead]Also, the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank.
I agree
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1080
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:20:00 -
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CharCharOdell wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Also, the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank. I agree
(I fixed the quote for you)
You've gone clinically insane
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LudiKure ninda
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
46
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:21:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
EoN.
209
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:33:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. I don't even know where to begin. Take away tanker WP for killing and destroying things. Apparently they don't care if they get WP for doing what they're supposed to. No, they do it because they love to tank. That should be reward enough.
Lol I know this is sarcastic but still 0 wp means like 50k ISK so I would have to survive 16 rounds just to pay off a cheap tank 29-30 for my cheapest.
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
Wait until AV feels the pain vehicle users have
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
EoN.
209
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Also, the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank. I agree (I fixed the quote for you) You've gone clinically insane
So it makes complete sense for a light weapon with lock on missile that can pull 180's and turn corners to 6-7 shots the best tanks yet makes no sense for the best counter to be a better tank?
Vehicle rework scheduled for 1.5.... 1.6.... 1.7........
Tanker/Logi
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1080
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:51:00 -
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Benjamin Ciscko wrote:Atiim wrote:CharCharOdell wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Also, the only way to destroy a tank should be with another tank. I agree (I fixed the quote for you) You've gone clinically insane So it makes complete sense for a light weapon with lock on missile that can pull 180's and turn corners to 6-7 shots the best tanks yet makes no sense for the best counter to be a better tank?
That's called balance
And you don't want to use that logic. Or should we allow shotguns to OHK from 70m? By following that logic, a PLC shouldn't even be AV. Do you want PLCs nerfed too?
Answer this question: Why would I use AV when I could just use an HAV and get the job done faster, while also being able to devastate infantry at the same time? Answer: I wouldn't
Tanks should not be the best counter to tanks, That's Tank 514. Not even that; remove the team quota and you'd have a new release of World Of Tanks.
AV = HAV
HAV = AV
FG = SL = PLC
It is a video game. And it needs to be balanced around complete equality because of this. Not your average everyday "Only other pilots should be able to destroy us and we should be the best and only counter to our own class" QQ BS that tankers like you fill the community with.
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
1509
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Posted - 2013.11.17 15:56:00 -
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I like it when people run Enforcers (specifically Falchions) in public matches 
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1080
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:13:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:I like it when people run Enforcers (specifically Falchions) in public matches
What's an Enforcer? It's just another one of those myths that the playerbase seems to belive in. Yet they are never on the field to prove it.
Stop spreading rumors. You're no worse than the people who think Commandos and Allotek Flux Grenades exist.
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Patrick57
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
1509
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:15:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Patrick57 wrote:I like it when people run Enforcers (specifically Falchions) in public matches What's an Enforcer? It's just another one of those myths that the playerbase seems to belive in. Yet they are never on the field to prove it. Stop spreading rumors. You're no worse than the people who think Commandos and Allotek Flux Grenades exist.
hmm
I have no idea where your post even came from...
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
551
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:20:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
Ok I'll tell you what.
I will call out both my Madrugar and my strongest Limbus for you.
Then I will turn around so you have some leeway to move about. Then start randomly driving backwards for no reason until your a smoldering pile of ash.
It wouldn't be my fault at all would it?
Like I tell my LLAV drivers:
The HAV ALWAYS has the right of way. Your vehicle is more nimble, faster, and far more agile. Expecting a tank to slam on its brakes when it is being chased by swarms or forges is not normally going to happen.
Mr. Hybrid Vayu
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1081
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:24:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Atiim wrote:
Ok I'll tell you what.
I will call out both my Madrugar and my strongest Limbus for you.
Then I will turn around so you have some leeway to move about. Then start randomly driving backwards for no reason until your a smoldering pile of ash.
It wouldn't be my fault at all would it?
Like I tell my LLAV drivers: The HAV ALWAYS has the right of way. Your vehicle is more nimble, faster, and far more agile. Expecting a tank to slam on its brakes when it is being chased by swarms or forges is not normally going to happen.
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Tank Missile
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:32:00 -
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This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP.
"History is written by the victor-" Blah, blah blah, let's go shoot some stuff!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1081
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:33:00 -
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Tank Missile wrote:This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP.
(Hey weren't you in that PC last night?)
I agree. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to destroy an HAV? That's broken
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Tank Missile
Intara Direct Action
Caldari State
33
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:39:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Tank Missile wrote:This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP. (Hey weren't you in that PC last night?) I agree. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to destroy an HAV? That's broken
Nah, I don't partake in PC, no corp and also no ambition to get instakilled by proto AV.
"History is written by the victor-" Blah, blah blah, let's go shoot some stuff!
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GeneralButtNaked
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
551
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Posted - 2013.11.17 16:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Tank Missile wrote:This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP. (Hey weren't you in that PC last night?) I agree. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to destroy an HAV? That's broken
Right now you can very easily demolish a tank with swarms, forge or AV grenades.
What are you complaining about?
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1081
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:41:00 -
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Tank Missile wrote:Atiim wrote:Tank Missile wrote:This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP. (Hey weren't you in that PC last night?) I agree. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to destroy an HAV? That's broken Nah, I don't partake in PC, no corp and also no ambition to get instakilled by proto AV.
I could have sworn you were in that chat for the PC but okay
And PRO AV does not OHK Tanks. That's another lie spread by other tankers.
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
1111
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Posted - 2013.11.17 18:43:00 -
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GeneralButtNaked wrote:Atiim wrote:Tank Missile wrote:This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP. (Hey weren't you in that PC last night?) I agree. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to destroy an HAV? That's broken Right now you can very easily demolish a tank with swarms, forge or AV grenades. What are you complaining about?
Idiots saying that tanks should be the best and/or only counter to tanks.
A well, properly fit Gunnlogi or Madrugar is not easily demolished by PRO AV.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1246
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Posted - 2013.11.18 02:19:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:This is why you're not a tanker. We don't care that we don't get WP for using remote modules. I don't even know where to begin. Take away tanker WP for killing and destroying things. Apparently they don't care if they get WP for doing what they're supposed to. No, they do it because they love to tank. That should be reward enough. Great way to take tanks off the battlefield without having to actually remove them and their skill tree. Well he was using your logic.
It was an absence of logic. I brought up specific modules for a specific task, and he said we shouldn't get WP for anything at all. That's quite literally removing tanking, because if you don't get WP for everything, that's a problem. Why, we should get WP for successfully using the inertial dampener to prevent fall damage!
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1246
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Posted - 2013.11.18 02:22:00 -
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Atiim wrote:GeneralButtNaked wrote:Atiim wrote:Tank Missile wrote:This thread is filled with stupid ideas. Do you people seriously think that something that can kill infantry shouldn't be able to be killed back by infantry? This is coming from a Gunnlogi pilot, the biggest joke this game has to offer right now.
As a part-time Charybdis pilot, I approve of the OP. (Hey weren't you in that PC last night?) I agree. Why should I be forced to use an HAV to destroy an HAV? That's broken Right now you can very easily demolish a tank with swarms, forge or AV grenades. What are you complaining about? Idiots saying that tanks should be the best and/or only counter to tanks. A well, properly fit Gunnlogi or Madrugar is not easily demolished by PRO AV.
It's not our fault you're terrible at attempting to tank. Of course you won't understand that a tank should be its own best counter. God forbid tanks should ever be made viable again, why, those sly tankers will figure out a way to deploy 16 tanks for one team! The horror of nobody hacking objectives!
Like we've been saying. There's games out there where you don't have to deal with vehicles at all. Why must you ruin the game for some people just because you don't like what they use?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr.
EoN.
379
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Posted - 2013.11.18 02:35:00 -
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