DUST Search - Who Has Still Got Hope for DUST 514?

KalOfTheRathi wrote:

Not a bitter vet but there is no reason to believe 1.7 is going to be anything different than the last patches. Yet another massive change to the game with little regard to the players. Millions of SP, most earned by grinding, will be junked with no stated solution past we put SP refunds on the table. Wow, a pizza will go on a table too. So ... not really impressed.

Displeased, yep.
Not trusting CCP/Shanghai? Yep. Don't trust the other bunch either. Used to but I learned that lesson. They present nice speeches and videos at shows or conventions but CCP/Mothership is more excited about VR than DUST. Cheaper to develop and it only runs on a PC which will make their real customers happy.

I will wait and see but if 1.7 works like the patch notes & Dev blogs read then vehicles are junk. Which is fine since a significant number of them will be gone when the patch is installed.

Then we get bunches of new content ... maybe, not sure. Could be, probably not. We aren't sure and if you follow us on twitter you would have more information hinted than we get in the forums. But you had better grind now or you will not have enough SP to get the new OP Out Of The Box weapons the Devs really loved but have no idea how it will trash game play with real players. Will the squads that ran nothing but Flaylock pistols show up with Combat Rifles?

So, IWS. Does that cover the situation clearly enough?

We can see that November events are bringing the players in. Good job.

But don't get too sure of yourself now, many are downloading updates, getting new games going and BF4 is already cleaned out a significant number of DUST players. Many of those will never return. Others will not be getting their PS4 until the holidays. That will be another time to see if the player count dives or holds its own.

Time will tell.

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Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10296	Posted - 2013.11.16 09:59:00 - [61] - Quote dogmanpig wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Only the most bitter vets would be displeased over 1.7 patch notes. i love your glasses, can i have them? They're lensless. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10296	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:00:00 - [62] - Quote Rowdy Railgunner wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Like I said before, I don't see any other FPS game that claims to have a persistent world being made. As such there are no other alternatives sadly. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2siGag2uOc HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!! That was supposed to have launched on xbox 360 YEARS ago... I was pissed it was canceled for xbox. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Grease Spillett Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 80	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:06:00 - [63] - Quote I will play this game till the damn wheels fall off. Next time you see me, bring more friends. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 550	Posted - 2013.11.16 10:24:00 - [64] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Only the most bitter vets would be displeased over 1.7 patch notes. But they will be disappointed. Everything is already so far behind schedule, and so much smoke blown that no matter what happens, people will always be annoyed that their particular feature was not the next one out. Meanwhile, PC will still be awful as an overall experience, comms will still not be workable, and rendering will probably get worse. Oh, and matchmaking will still not function. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10297	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:00:00 - [65] - Quote I'm just finding it odd we crawled back up to 4k players today despite the ps4 launch. I mean isn't everyone supposed to be playing shadow fall now or something? CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1268	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:06:00 - [66] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just finding it odd we crawled back up to 4k players today despite the ps4 launch. I mean isn't everyone supposed to be playing shadow fall now or something? Well, as I said in a discussion about this on IRC yesterday, I don't really think that nextgen will mean a huge playercount drop for Dust. Of course some players will stop playing, but the majority of the current playerbase for Dust is casual players that won't be getting a nextgen right away. The players that are getting a nextgen now stopped playing Dust a long time ago for the most part. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers!
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 524	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:08:00 - [67] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just finding it odd we crawled back up to 4k players today despite the ps4 launch. I mean isn't everyone supposed to be playing shadow fall now or something? Well, as I said in a discussion about this on IRC yesterday, I don't really think that nextgen will mean a huge playercount drop for Dust. Of course some players will stop playing, but the majority of the current playerbase for Dust is casual players that won't be getting a nextgen right away. The players that are getting a nextgen now stopped playing Dust a long time ago for the most part. What is the correlation between being casual and not getting a PS4? I think the numbers we see now are the true dedicated Dust 514 players, minus the ADD next gen crowd. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 883	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:26:00 - [68] - Quote Not a bitter vet but there is no reason to believe 1.7 is going to be anything different than the last patches. Yet another massive change to the game with little regard to the players. Millions of SP, most earned by grinding, will be junked with no stated solution past we put SP refunds on the table. Wow, a pizza will go on a table too. So ... not really impressed. Displeased, yep. Not trusting CCP/Shanghai? Yep. Don't trust the other bunch either. Used to but I learned that lesson. They present nice speeches and videos at shows or conventions but CCP/Mothership is more excited about VR than DUST. Cheaper to develop and it only runs on a PC which will make their real customers happy. I will wait and see but if 1.7 works like the patch notes & Dev blogs read then vehicles are junk. Which is fine since a significant number of them will be gone when the patch is installed. Then we get bunches of new content ... maybe, not sure. Could be, probably not. We aren't sure and if you follow us on twitter you would have more information hinted than we get in the forums. But you had better grind now or you will not have enough SP to get the new OP Out Of The Box weapons the Devs really loved but have no idea how it will trash game play with real players. Will the squads that ran nothing but Flaylock pistols show up with Combat Rifles? So, IWS. Does that cover the situation clearly enough? We can see that November events are bringing the players in. Good job. But don't get too sure of yourself now, many are downloading updates, getting new games going and BF4 is already cleaned out a significant number of DUST players. Many of those will never return. Others will not be getting their PS4 until the holidays. That will be another time to see if the player count dives or holds its own. Time will tell.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10298	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:38:00 - [69] - Quote KalOfTheRathi wrote: Not a bitter vet but there is no reason to believe 1.7 is going to be anything different than the last patches. Yet another massive change to the game with little regard to the players. Millions of SP, most earned by grinding, will be junked with no stated solution past we put SP refunds on the table. Wow, a pizza will go on a table too. So ... not really impressed. Displeased, yep. Not trusting CCP/Shanghai? Yep. Don't trust the other bunch either. Used to but I learned that lesson. They present nice speeches and videos at shows or conventions but CCP/Mothership is more excited about VR than DUST. Cheaper to develop and it only runs on a PC which will make their real customers happy. I will wait and see but if 1.7 works like the patch notes & Dev blogs read then vehicles are junk. Which is fine since a significant number of them will be gone when the patch is installed. Then we get bunches of new content ... maybe, not sure. Could be, probably not. We aren't sure and if you follow us on twitter you would have more information hinted than we get in the forums. But you had better grind now or you will not have enough SP to get the new OP Out Of The Box weapons the Devs really loved but have no idea how it will trash game play with real players. Will the squads that ran nothing but Flaylock pistols show up with Combat Rifles? So, IWS. Does that cover the situation clearly enough? We can see that November events are bringing the players in. Good job. But don't get too sure of yourself now, many are downloading updates, getting new games going and BF4 is already cleaned out a significant number of DUST players. Many of those will never return. Others will not be getting their PS4 until the holidays. That will be another time to see if the player count dives or holds its own. Time will tell. I will say in regards to 1.7 you shouldn't be throwing so much sand into your eyes over that, there have been plenty of features planned for the patch that has been requested by players to which I wont be allowed to share but hopefully starting in the next weeks the developers will reveal all. As for what players do at the presence of other things there is no predictability really to determine what they would do. I mean GTA V was supposed to steal the 'entire player base' and yet despite GTA V we managed to crawl up a population spike much higher than some previous months. PS4 knocked us down by a good 1k overall though but having this upward spike on friday is a bit odd and generally we're waning down during the weekend. Overall I don't expect the numbers to stabilize until January as November and December are bad months to be competing generally. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Nirwanda Vaughns Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 179	Posted - 2013.11.16 11:41:00 - [70] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I'm just finding it odd we crawled back up to 4k players today despite the ps4 launch. I mean isn't everyone supposed to be playing shadow fall now or something? everyone probs hoped all the protostompers were on ps4 and so tried to get some matches in while its in 'easy mode'

Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1234	Posted - 2013.11.16 14:55:00 - [71] - Quote When it's apparent that the PS 4 isn't catching fire or otherwise, i'll definitely grab one. And i will try Destiny, Shadowfall, EQN and basically everything else etc., looking for good ideas, entertaining gameplay, sweet controls, OCD-inspiring customization, masterful storytelling, meaningful decisions, consequences, etc. But tbh it's really just tourism and fact-seeking, because i learned a long time ago what many of our 'bittervets'(how can anyone be a bittervet after only this short while? i laugh at that - live in angst for 5 years and 10000 hours invested and you'll have earned the title bittervet) are no doubt discovering now: it all pales into meaninglessness when compare to life in New Eden. Because of the single shard, because of the connections to blood brothers and mortal enemies, because of the way we are punished for our personal failures, because of the stark unfairness of the playing field, because of the consequences of our actions, because of the minimal safety net, because New Eden preys on the weak and rides them like ponies before finally eating their livers, all those other shiny new games will feel somehow hollow, unsatisfying on some existential level that is hard to pin down. So go out and travel, see the sights, taste the wine, enjoy the pretty people you meet and bathe in the glow of their charming innocence. Because sooner or later you're going to find yourself back in some shitehol, surrounded by traitors and saints, liars and teachers, scammers and benefactors, heroes, fools and craven wastrels who talk a big game. You will be throwing in with peeps you know and peeps who come well recommended, and about to lay it all on the line and invest everything you've earned over the course of years on some venture that promises wealth and fame, where even if you perform perfectly and destroy your enemies, a betrayal could still cost you everything. Your triumph may be admired, your failure may be mocked, some will love you , some will hate, but all of New Eden will know your name. I support SP rollover.
RydogV Shadow Company HQ 603	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:03:00 - [72] - Quote Some of us still remember, some of us still believe. #PS4 #CarbonEngine
Vell0cet Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 553	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:07:00 - [73] - Quote I expect big things in the next few patches, but I also expect there to be plenty of balancing changes that need to get worked out. I'm hoping by summer we will have a solid foundation and will start to see people who deleted the game trickle back in to spend all of their passively accrued SP. I think making a phenomenal NPE is critical to the long term health of DUST, and am really happy the new EP recognizes this as a crucial priority. Quick/Dirty Test Range Idea
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3827	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:13:00 - [74] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Only the most bitter vets would be displeased over 1.7 patch notes. I know I won't be displeased. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1235	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:44:00 - [75] - Quote 4265 players on early Saturday afternoon - PS4 release isn't having much effect on numbers atm. COD, BF4, KZ all on PS4 right now. Curious to see what the rest of this weeks numbers will look like. I support SP rollover.
HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 130	Posted - 2013.11.16 18:47:00 - [76] - Quote Even when I get my PS4, if Dust isn't ported, I'll still have a reason to keep the PS3 connected (no backwards compatibility and lots of PS3 games to play), so I still myself playing Dust in coming months. I've enjoyed this game, even when it feels like a grind, and despite typically being a solo merc, my experiences playing with my corp have always been positive. The future of Dust, unfortunately, is that there isn't any progression once you get all the proto gear, and all your skills maxed out. I believe this will mean that one day, every player will have some type of proto gear, the playing field will be level amongst vets (taking skill out of the equation), and new players will never be able to get over the barrier of entry. Still have hope though X-D Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10307	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:33:00 - [77] - Quote HyperionsThunder wrote: Even when I get my PS4, if Dust isn't ported, I'll still have a reason to keep the PS3 connected (no backwards compatibility and lots of PS3 games to play), so I still myself playing Dust in coming months. I've enjoyed this game, even when it feels like a grind, and despite typically being a solo merc, my experiences playing with my corp have always been positive. The future of Dust, unfortunately, is that there isn't any progression once you get all the proto gear, and all your skills maxed out. I believe this will mean that one day, every player will have some type of proto gear, the playing field will be level amongst vets (taking skill out of the equation), and new players will never be able to get over the barrier of entry. Still have hope though X-D I think the backwards compatibility along with parent company strategy is a large player in how fast the previous console can die. I mean we been nearly many years after the ps2 launch and there is an extraordinarily large number of games not available on the ps3 that only exists on the ps2. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Necandi Brasil DUST BRASIL S.A Covert Intervention 445	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:41:00 - [78] - Quote I would sacrifice blueberries and protos just to know if DUST is coming for the PS4 and if will have a transition period that both ps3 and ps4 will be able to play dust A DUST BRASIL S.A precisa de você ! Junte-se a nós ! Hey CCP, give me PvE!
Funkmaster Whale Whale Farm 1128	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:43:00 - [79] - Quote I'm not really on either side of this. On one end, I'm hoping DUST will live up to its own expectations. On the other end, I'm very skeptical as to how long people will hold out when content is delivered at a snail's pace. Let me play you the song of my people!
ReGnYuM UnReaL. 1347	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:44:00 - [80] - Quote Gonna be on of my last posts ever, so I will keep this one short. Had hope for this game up to Nov 14, got a ps4 and now I will never touch Ps3 or dust ever again. The gap is just too wide now and nothing they can do will shorten that on current gen. If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death

HyperionsThunder Ghost Wolf Industries Alpha Wolf Pack 130	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:47:00 - [81] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HyperionsThunder wrote: Even when I get my PS4, if Dust isn't ported, I'll still have a reason to keep the PS3 connected (no backwards compatibility and lots of PS3 games to play), so I still myself playing Dust in coming months. I've enjoyed this game, even when it feels like a grind, and despite typically being a solo merc, my experiences playing with my corp have always been positive. The future of Dust, unfortunately, is that there isn't any progression once you get all the proto gear, and all your skills maxed out. I believe this will mean that one day, every player will have some type of proto gear, the playing field will be level amongst vets (taking skill out of the equation), and new players will never be able to get over the barrier of entry. Still have hope though X-D I think the backwards compatibility along with parent company strategy is a large player in how fast the previous console can die. I mean we been nearly many years after the ps2 launch and there is an extraordinarily large number of games not available on the ps3 that only exists on the ps2. I still have a PS2 connected, so my girlfriend can play FFX and FFX-2. I didn't spend all this money on PS3 games to never use them again. Common sense will prevail. Adapt or die.
Funkmaster Whale Whale Farm 1130	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:52:00 - [82] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Gonna be on of my last posts ever, so I will keep this one short. Had hope for this game up to Nov 14, got a ps4 and now I will never touch Ps3 or dust ever again. The gap is just too wide now and nothing they can do will shorten that on current gen. Another one bites the dust. Let me play you the song of my people!
xp3ll3d dust The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 105	Posted - 2013.11.16 19:54:00 - [83] - Quote DUST 514 is the only reason I purchased a PS3 (and is the only game I have on it). I'm now forced to keep both the PS4 & PS3 plugged in. I'd be happy with just backwards compatibility in the PS4, or a recompiled version of DUST just so it runs in 1080p.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division Top Men. 234	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:04:00 - [84] - Quote I originally bought a ps3 because of Armored Core V. When i heard that DUST was going to be on it as well, i played that before ACV. When my bluray drive broke, i've been stuck with Dust and i've loved it so far. Honestly before there were so many more problems: laser rifles, tanks, mass drivers, dropships(who wouldve thought?) Since then theyve nerfed em all, and buffed nades, ar, and snipers. Only 2 of those are I complaining about now. -Newly proclaimed Lazor riffle specialist- "You said yourself fantastically 'congratulations you are all alone.'"
501st Headstrong Svartur Bjorn 43	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:13:00 - [85] - Quote Medic 1879 wrote: I still have hope and I will be getting a PS4 on release but I will be hopping back on to DUST as well. Your signature can be: I use to play Dust...and I still play it The things I would do with a Proto Minmatar Assault Suit...Checks SP Hello Panda Bear!!!
501st Headstrong Svartur Bjorn 43	Posted - 2013.11.16 20:21:00 - [86] - Quote I have full-on hope for Dust because being revolutionary means there are mishaps. This is CCPs first console game, and while yes, it's broken, and yes, I'm not a technical genius, they still managed to carry this game for over 2 years now. Yes, lag, faulty hit-detection, OP weapons plague the game, but what game doesn't have these? Call of Duty may have great connections, but do they deliver the ability to fight for planets? Battlefield may have Destructible environments, but you can't exactly mow down waves of people in the fast-paced war that is Dust? As for the PS4, I want one badly, but I'd still play Dust. It grows on you, and if you want to leave, go ahead. Most of the issues that are reported I NEVER experience, but if it's there, it's there. When Dust is the number one game in the World and EVE, EVE Valkryie, and World of Darkness all possibly tie into it to allow 64-64 teams battles on space and ground in a TRUE War with Tanks, Orbitals, Titans, Drops, and Frigates crashing down onto hundreds of Mercanaries?! Yeah then you can come back. Until then, I will be the Merc that is with this game, 24//365 Hope to see you shooting at me until then, just don't miss...=\ The things I would do with a Proto Minmatar Assault Suit...Checks SP Hello Panda Bear!!!


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