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Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2013.11.15 02:50:00 - [1] - Quote Raising prof on and stacking x amount on ARS and SCRS give them a dps that can dwarf shotguns The dps of the above stated weapons quickly surpass the damage of the first shotgun blast and can finish most suits before the second shot is fired. Stacking dmg mods on shotguns do not yield a similar ttk. Shotguns need to buffed in this regard as the only consistent 0hk is a headshot. I think the hit detection, ttk and the constant awareness cheap wallhacks provided by active scanners all give people enough defenses to where if a modded shotgun comes up to you and does 1000 damage it is acceptable. What would really be so bad about that?
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 431	Posted - 2013.11.15 02:57:00 - [2] - Quote Because they don't even lift.
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2027	Posted - 2013.11.15 02:58:00 - [3] - Quote I can kick butt in a militia Minmatar scout with a militia shotgun. Most times it doesn't work but in maps where there are ridiculously tight corners and confined spaces I just jump into the fray and let loose. Usually die in about 2 seconds but sometmes I nail a protobear. Also I can 1-shot equipment like a boss now. But yeah, shotguns aren't too bad it's the fact that scanners win EWAR hands down with no exceptions. "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc 581	Posted - 2013.11.15 02:58:00 - [4] - Quote The average TTK needs to go up, not down. The Shotty is fine.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10249	Posted - 2013.11.15 02:58:00 - [5] - Quote HK4M, apply directly to forehead, HK4M Contact your local war dealer today. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2576	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:00:00 - [6] - Quote I wambo heavies with mine. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Cosgar ParagonX 7773	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:01:00 - [7] - Quote According to this guy, shotguns aren't "heavy" enough. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 451	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:03:00 - [8] - Quote Cosgar wrote: According to this guy, shotguns aren't "heavy" enough. It had to be said I was wondering who would be the first +1 I am apparently not the only fool
Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 140	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:11:00 - [9] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I can kick butt in a militia Minmatar scout with a militia shotgun. Most times it doesn't work but in maps where there are ridiculously tight corners and confined spaces I just jump into the fray and let loose. Usually die in about 2 seconds but sometmes I nail a protobear. Also I can 1-shot equipment like a boss now. But yeah, shotguns aren't too bad it's the fact that scanners win EWAR hands down with no exceptions. My point is that the shotgun has a lower peak damage than other weapons provide with an equivalent SP investment. Does it really matter to you when a guy does 800 dmg by literally waving his gun at you? Or do you just shrug it off cause its a milita suit an a mlitia weapon? Again my point is that, besides headshots, you cant get a peak damage above the dps of other weapon can generate by beginning fire at your chest. Why is that so? Why is it weird for shotguns to do loads of damage but acceptable for others to do even more? What is even the difference? also shooting equipment is for scrubs, real men melee two uplinks in the time it takes to shoot one Iron Wolf Saber wrote: HK4M, apply directly to forehead, HK4M Contact your local war dealer today. ok
Cosgar ParagonX 7775	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:17:00 - [10] - Quote But in all seriousness, I hope we get more racial shotguns. This game could use a 12-Gauge. (Make it Minmatar PLZ) I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1736	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:25:00 - [11] - Quote Breach if you can do well with it...It's hard to use but it's got great alpha Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
itsmellslikefish DIOS EX. Top Men. 643	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:30:00 - [12] - Quote Dengru wrote: Raising prof on and stacking x amount on ARS and SCRS give them a dps that can dwarf shotguns The dps of the above stated weapons quickly surpass the damage of the first shotgun blast and can finish most suits before the second shot is fired. Stacking dmg mods on shotguns do not yield a similar ttk. Shotguns need to buffed in this regard as the only consistent 0hk is a headshot. I think the hit detection, ttk and the constant awareness cheap wallhacks provided by active scanners all give people enough defenses to where if a modded shotgun comes up to you and does 1000 damage it is acceptable. What would really be so bad about that? Lol Prof 3 Nuke Tuber Wyrnspire's Forum Squire Join DIOS EX
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 945	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:34:00 - [13] - Quote I love my Dren SG and can drop most heavies in 3 hits. I proved that today time and time again. I think the problem is most are trying to stay at a distance with a SG, no you have to get in there and Shove it up there A** Thats how you use the SG Do not eat the yellow snow
Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 142	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:36:00 - [14] - Quote calvin b wrote: I love my Dren SG and can drop most heavies in 3 hits. I proved that today time and time again. I think the problem is most are trying to stay at a distance with a SG, no you have to get in there and Shove it up there A** Thats how you use the SG im glad you were here to teach me, how can i ever repay you
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2235	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:40:00 - [15] - Quote +1 for Shotgun Buff to damage and range. SG damage output hasn't kept pace with Uprising's ever-increasing eHP. (Shotgun Operation V, Proficiency V)
Tectonic Fusion 560	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:40:00 - [16] - Quote For me, the only shotgun that works is the Credon, which takes up more space than a Duvolle surprisingly. But I gotta say, lower their price by 1/4th and they are fine. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Cosgar ParagonX 7784	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:42:00 - [17] - Quote calvin b wrote: I love my Dren SG and can drop most heavies in 3 hits. I proved that today time and time again. I think the problem is most are trying to stay at a distance with a SG, no you have to get in there and Shove it up there A** Thats how you use the SG After seeing Ghazbaran's video about the HMG, I have a creeping suspicion that the shotgun works about the same way in that you need your target completely lined up in the center. Hope he does some testing on it soon. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Dengru Royal Uhlans Amarr Empire 144	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:47:00 - [18] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: +1 for Shotgun Buff to damage and range. SG damage output hasn't kept pace with Uprising's ever-increasing eHP. (Shotgun Operation V, Proficiency V) yes I think it needs to be effective 10m With nerfs to strafing and speed tanking, its really difficult at times to close what in all honesty is an arbitrary difference of space when being peppered with fire that quickly totals over 400 dps.
Tectonic Fusion 560	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:49:00 - [19] - Quote Dengru wrote: Shotty GoBang wrote: +1 for Shotgun Buff to damage and range. SG damage output hasn't kept pace with Uprising's ever-increasing eHP. (Shotgun Operation V, Proficiency V) yes I think it needs to be effective 10m With nerfs to strafing and speed tanking, its really difficult at times to close what in all honesty is an arbitrary difference of space when being peppered with fire that quickly totals over 400 dps. At least 60% effective at 10m. But like 80% at 8m. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 344	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:55:00 - [20] - Quote 120% at dry-hump range

Tectonic Fusion 561	Posted - 2013.11.15 03:59:00 - [21] - Quote pseudosnipre wrote: 120% at dry-hump range 150%* Solo Player Squad status: Locked
THEAMAZING POTHEAD Nyain San Proficiency V. 533	Posted - 2013.11.15 04:36:00 - [22] - Quote With scanners and ARs and ScRs being as insanely good as they are now, with scouts being garbo & dropsuits stacking EHP as much as possible theres no doubt that either the shotty needs a buff or something else has to change in the metagame to accommodate the shottys usage, lest it continue to be UP.
GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.11.15 05:23:00 - [23] - Quote One way to increase shotgun damage output would be to change the profiency to 3% damage per level instead of the existing 3% to rate of fire per level. Use the original shotgun profiency the 3 percent faster rof per level as a shotgun skill in the exact same way as the gallente ar and minmatar smg have sharpshooter. I think this solution would help immensely even a further 10% damage increase on top of what i have previously mentioned would be a 25% damage increase with profiency 5, which will help alot with the shotgun catching up to other weapons dps wise and the hit point increase. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Sgt Kirk SyNergy Gaming EoN. 2802	Posted - 2013.11.15 05:27:00 - [24] - Quote I'd like more range with the thing.
GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.11.15 05:38:00 - [25] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'd like more range with the thing. Yes it would be nice if they reverted back to the shotgun range in chromosome and i'm not talking about sharpshooter, CCP actually halfed the range on the weapon itself give or take a metre/yard. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 346	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:49:00 - [26] - Quote Had a Latino in a g-1 assault tank a breach shotgun round at 5m after playing against some aussies in proto Calgary logi suits tanking 3 rounds from my crg3 art 5m...
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 850	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:54:00 - [27] - Quote Llast 326 wrote: Cosgar wrote: According to this guy, shotguns aren't "heavy" enough. It had to be said I was wondering who would be the first +1 God, I seriously hope this becomes the stuff of forum legend. People probably look at this and wonder why we think it's so funny "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Oswald Rehnquist 577	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:54:00 - [28] - Quote The shotgun is at its strongest now that its been for a while, and I'm able to two shot kill most peeps, using a militia at the perfect distance with a headshot you can register around 450-500 damage. I know this because I literally only took one shot in a game, got one kill, heard the headshot noise, and the match ended. Seems sufficient to me, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a buff, but its definitely usable. Below 28 dB
Ghost Kaisar R 0 N 1 N 850	Posted - 2013.11.15 07:57:00 - [29] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: The shotgun is at its strongest now that its been for a while, and I'm able to two shot kill most peeps, using a militia at the perfect distance with a headshot you can register around 450-500 damage. I know this because I literally only took one shot in a game, got one kill, heard the headshot noise, and the match ended. Seems sufficient to me, doesn't mean it doesn't deserve a buff, but its definitely usable. But seriously, in what world does a shotgun need two shots to kill infantry in it's optimal range. It's a shotgun for crying out loud. Stopping power is it's middle name. Right now, the shotty only has stumbling power. Also, I shouldn't have to get headshots with a shotty at point blank to kill someone. Source: IT'S A FREAKING SHOTGUN "All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4422	Posted - 2013.11.15 08:19:00 - [30] - Quote DPS isn't everything. The shotgun relies on Alpha. Imagine an assault rifle rhat does 1000 damage but has 0.3 bullets per second fire rate. DPS would be 333, but you wouldn't call it underpowered would you? Anyway, buff shotty range, it does enough damage. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*



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