DUST Search - why are shotguns so weak?

Acturus Galaxy wrote:

Dengru wrote:

Acturus Galaxy wrote:

Your problems could be that you have been spoiled and used to the high dps and long range shotguns from chromosome that you find the current shotguns UP.

there is no reason to get proto shotguns, one of the fundamental problems with shotguns is that the proto ones are not noticebly stronger than the CRG/K5.

Are you saying ARS and SCRS with dmg mods dont zap that 800hp faster? When I think of the damage potential all these others weapons have, and how even the milita variants can unleash similar damage I am not seeing whats so bad about OHK shotguns? Your basically being killed in the span of time by a scrambler

I cannot speak for the proto shotgun, only for the basic and advanced, have used plenty of aur advanced shotguns. I do better with the advanced than the basic, not by a large margin but it somehow gets me more kills without having to switch to my sidearm.

I have prof 3 in AR and have been able to test the difference between the shotgun and AR plenty of times with the black hawk scout suit. Also have two dragonfly suits setup with the Exile and basic shotgun. I have better success using the shotgun sneaking up behind red dots than using the AR. I get the kill faster with the shotgun than the AR, with the shotgun I can walk away without a scratch in most encounters while I often have do some jumping and strafing with the AR getting hit in return.

Even with my much larger amount of SP spend in AR, I still find the shotgun better WHEN I have the surprise moment. Do I encounter someone head-on I prefer the AR as the opponent will backpedal fast and get out of the shotguns optimal range.

My Duvolle with three damage mods surely zaps one faster than my standard shotgun. I wonder how the proto shotgun with three damage mods would do? Proto shotgun would in one shot do 39,6*12*1,25=594, the breach would do 47,5*12*1,25=712. Not that many have more than 712 if they are running damage mods. And two shots is enough to take down most heavies.

The scout using Allotek Breack without damage mods would do 47,5*12=570, with the surprise on your side, you should be able to pull off two shots with a total damage of 1140. How many would survive this?!? The scout are skinny and should only engange when you have the surprise moment on your side, the opponent has to be extremely skilled with quick reflexes to get away within 1 second from being hit by the first shot before the second shot impacts. Getting a headshot with the shotgun would deal much more damage.


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GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.11.15 05:23:00 - [1] - Quote One way to increase shotgun damage output would be to change the profiency to 3% damage per level instead of the existing 3% to rate of fire per level. Use the original shotgun profiency the 3 percent faster rof per level as a shotgun skill in the exact same way as the gallente ar and minmatar smg have sharpshooter. I think this solution would help immensely even a further 10% damage increase on top of what i have previously mentioned would be a 25% damage increase with profiency 5, which will help alot with the shotgun catching up to other weapons dps wise and the hit point increase. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 46	Posted - 2013.11.15 05:38:00 - [2] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I'd like more range with the thing. Yes it would be nice if they reverted back to the shotgun range in chromosome and i'm not talking about sharpshooter, CCP actually halfed the range on the weapon itself give or take a metre/yard. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
GRIM GEAR Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 49	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:27:00 - [3] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: Dengru wrote: Acturus Galaxy wrote: Your problems could be that you have been spoiled and used to the high dps and long range shotguns from chromosome that you find the current shotguns UP. there is no reason to get proto shotguns, one of the fundamental problems with shotguns is that the proto ones are not noticebly stronger than the CRG/K5. Are you saying ARS and SCRS with dmg mods dont zap that 800hp faster? When I think of the damage potential all these others weapons have, and how even the milita variants can unleash similar damage I am not seeing whats so bad about OHK shotguns? Your basically being killed in the span of time by a scrambler I cannot speak for the proto shotgun, only for the basic and advanced, have used plenty of aur advanced shotguns. I do better with the advanced than the basic, not by a large margin but it somehow gets me more kills without having to switch to my sidearm. I have prof 3 in AR and have been able to test the difference between the shotgun and AR plenty of times with the black hawk scout suit. Also have two dragonfly suits setup with the Exile and basic shotgun. I have better success using the shotgun sneaking up behind red dots than using the AR. I get the kill faster with the shotgun than the AR, with the shotgun I can walk away without a scratch in most encounters while I often have do some jumping and strafing with the AR getting hit in return. Even with my much larger amount of SP spend in AR, I still find the shotgun better WHEN I have the surprise moment. Do I encounter someone head-on I prefer the AR as the opponent will backpedal fast and get out of the shotguns optimal range. My Duvolle with three damage mods surely zaps one faster than my standard shotgun. I wonder how the proto shotgun with three damage mods would do? Proto shotgun would in one shot do 39,6121,25=594, the breach would do 47,5121,25=712. Not that many have more than 712 if they are running damage mods. And two shots is enough to take down most heavies. The scout using Allotek Breack without damage mods would do 47,5*12=570, with the surprise on your side, you should be able to pull off two shots with a total damage of 1140. How many would survive this?!? The scout are skinny and should only engange when you have the surprise moment on your side, the opponent has to be extremely skilled with quick reflexes to get away within 1 second from being hit by the first shot before the second shot impacts. Getting a headshot with the shotgun would deal much more damage. I don't want to rain on your parade but who said anything about getting a second shot off; i'm finding that you get gunned down most of the time before you can get a second shot off and that's sneaking up behind them. Here's another example if you bump into a redberry wielding an ar in a door way unless you get a head shot your dead, you get your first shot off they return fire you die and they have 100-200 armour left. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!