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Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2145	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:08:00 - [61] - Quote Atiim wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Atiim wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Atiim wrote: I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat. wow can u cry some more? you really so scared of a bit of challenge? cry some more ..(coordinated tank /av gods soon tm. ) LOL Tankers shouldn't even talk about QQ. Heck I could flood entire countries with the buckets of tears I have from HAV Pilots You say "bit of challenge" as I driving a steel box with infinite ammo and only being vulnerable to 3 weapons in the entire game is easy. tanking is currently the hardest thing in dust it is the hardest class hands down..and im not main specced tanker anymore i do however have both proto av and i am not afraid of balance bring the fight ..give the tankers something to actually make me pull proto ROFL Only PRO AV has the power to solo a tank. Pick up a scout suit and tell me that using HAVs is the hardest thing in the game. One person's ability to lock down entire squads and teams is not balanced. Tanks running around with 30k EHP is not balanced. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK, 180mm SKULL a single guy locking down the entire map from an entire squad of tanks is NOT balanced, get that through your thick head, tanks are meant to overpower infantry... AV completely eliminates the reason to have tank on the field because its so damn op. Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2145	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:09:00 - [62] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV was nerfed. Tankers will never be happy. You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want? AV is going to be nerfed. For the first time. Ever. We're still not going to be happy because the damage percentage is still basically going to be the same regarding AV against tanks. We'll be happy when tank v tank battles are closer to Chromosome. You mean chromosome? The build where everyone with a bit of skills into tanks could get 50/0 in a tank? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. The range of AV was nerfed, damage isn't everything. It used to be 400~ meters, now it's 150~ meters. Again, AV is going to be nerfed. The best early Christmas / Hanukkah present CCP could give tankers is just one week of adjusted AV numbers with current tanks. AV would whine and cry about "The Longest 7 Days in Dust History," when tanks have been suffering nerfs through consecutive builds. And it was the build when tanks were 2HK by other tanks. AV wasn't needed unless one side could not deploy any tanks at all. If there was just one rail tank on any team, that put every single tanker on notice that they could be destroyed in 3 seconds from anywhere, and there was nothing they could do about it. I really don't see infantry's problem with that. Maybe they're jealous they don't know how to pilot a tank. You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4390	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:10:00 - [63] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Atiim wrote: I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat. Why do you want it balanced for pubs? Have you ever been in PC? Because like it or not, pubs are 99% of the game. If stuff was balanced for PC, so many things would be hugely overpowered in pubs... I don't see why CCP can't change values based on what someone queue's up for. 100% damage in PC, 90% in FW, 80% in pubs. PvE, when it comes out, would be 100%. Honestly? I suggested this a while ago. I have no idea why myself. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4390	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:12:00 - [64] - Quote Void Echo wrote: well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. Uhh... No... Not everyone wants to be a tanker, but everyone needs to have at least BASIC infantry skills. What does that mean? That the game is an infantry game first, tanks come around that. *Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant* *Beta Vet* *Level 4 Forum Warrior*
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 2199	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:15:00 - [65] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: AV is going to be nerfed. For the first time. Ever. We're still not going to be happy because the damage percentage is still basically going to be the same regarding AV against tanks. We'll be happy when tank v tank battles are closer to Chromosome. You mean chromosome? The build where everyone with a bit of skills into tanks could get 50/0 in a tank? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. The range of AV was nerfed, damage isn't everything. It used to be 400~ meters, now it's 150~ meters. Again, AV is going to be nerfed. The best early Christmas / Hanukkah present CCP could give tankers is just one week of adjusted AV numbers with current tanks. AV would whine and cry about "The Longest 7 Days in Dust History," when tanks have been suffering nerfs through consecutive builds. And it was the build when tanks were 2HK by other tanks. AV wasn't needed unless one side could not deploy any tanks at all. If there was just one rail tank on any team, that put every single tanker on notice that they could be destroyed in 3 seconds from anywhere, and there was nothing they could do about it. I really don't see infantry's problem with that. Maybe they're jealous they don't know how to pilot a tank. You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. You do know that back then (In closed beta) we had less players then we do now right?
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 960	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:16:00 - [66] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. So we should have Tank 514 because of COD514? Lolno Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2145	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:18:00 - [67] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Void Echo wrote: well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. Uhh... No... Not everyone wants to be a tanker, but everyone needs to have at least BASIC infantry skills. What does that mean? That the game is an infantry game first, tanks come around that. uh no... not everyone wants to be a mindless grunt, nothing comes before what people want.... infantry can suck my ****. Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2145	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:18:00 - [68] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. So we should have Tank 514 because of COD514? Lolno you have no opinion.... im just going to block your ******** ass from making this forum dumber and dumber. Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2145	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:20:00 - [69] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: You do know that back then (In closed beta) we had less players then we do now right? open beta saw an increase in numbers, and since then it has dwindled down because its almost another call of duty Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 960	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:29:00 - [70] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: ROFL Only PRO AV has the power to solo a tank. Pick up a scout suit and tell me that using HAVs is the hardest thing in the game. One person's ability to lock down entire squads and teams is not balanced. Tanks running around with 30k EHP is not balanced. GET THAT THROUGH YOUR THICK, 180mm SKULL a single guy locking down the entire map from an entire squad of tanks is NOT balanced, get that through your thick head, tanks are meant to overpower infantry... AV completely eliminates the reason to have tank on the field because its so damn op. 1 guy with AV cannot and will not lock down an entire map. (Unless on a rooftop with FGs) Swarm AI doesn't have the Intelligence for that. Our 400m lock range don't mean **** when your swarms can't even travel 100m without crashing into a wall. Thanks were not meant to dominate everything. They were meant for area denial. And AV is Anti-Vehicle. It is designed BY TITLE ITSELF to be a hard counter to HAVs. Why do you want all of the HAVs to roflstomp everything in the game with no AV resistance? Why would anyone want to play a game where 90% of matches can be one by doing nothing but spamming HAVs? We all know that tanks will soon be the only viable way to destroy a tank, and tanks will be the best thing to have on the field. When people get tired of getting stomped by tanks and thier best weapons doing jack $#!t, they will either become a tanker or leave. I'm guessing the latter. And PS4 comes out tomorrow? Goodbye Infantry playerbase. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND

Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4390	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:32:00 - [71] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Void Echo wrote: well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. Uhh... No... Not everyone wants to be a tanker, but everyone needs to have at least BASIC infantry skills. What does that mean? That the game is an infantry game first, tanks come around that. uh no... not everyone wants to be a mindless grunt, nothing comes before what people want.... infantry can suck my **. Void Echo wrote: infantry can suck my And you just proved you want Tank 514. Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant Beta Vet Level 4 Forum Warrior**
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 961	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:39:00 - [72] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Atiim wrote: 21-33k EHP and swarms that deal 7,920 HP of damage (and that's at PRO tier, 6 people firing and they emptied thier entire clips) You don't think that's a problem? 6 people. Firing at one person. I do not see the context, so I don't know if this is tanker QQ, but if it is... WTF do you want? Seriously how much more powerful do you want to be? Tanking against 6 people isn't enough? wtf Not tanker QQ The new PRO swarms deal 1320 base damage per clip. (1320*6=7920) Meaning that if an entire squad emptied their clip of swarms into ONE tank, they would do 7920. That is a huge problem when HAVs have around 33k eHP. Meaning tanks would be roflstompeasyofficerweaponredlinethale'striagehivescrwithamarrasssuaktmk.0duvolle mode. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 961	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:40:00 - [73] - Quote Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. So we should have Tank 514 because of COD514? Lolno you have no opinion.... im just going to block your ******** ass from making this forum dumber and dumber. And you think you have an educated opinion? My 2 year old son is more logical than you. Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 474	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:43:00 - [74] - Quote well im pretty sure one of the most powerful maddy fittings involves nothing but a light repper. and active hardeners. currently that fitting can almost tank an entire forger gunners base ammo capacity.... as for the tank changes in 1.7 im not sure whats going to happen to my decently fitted soma tank. it can take a few/2-3, mlt swarm hits. before needed to head back for reps. still have no proper protection from av nades. although i think it would be nice if my obs that i dropped directly ontop of those havs had not survived... only way to kill a tank now a days is an ob+av at the same time.. the av just finishing the hav off.. if active resists are made to be less effective that could solve the current tank problems.. i dont think the reppers are the problems at that point as they really only provide barely enough time to escape death. i feel the active resist mods are the issues at hand.
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 328	Posted - 2013.11.14 19:48:00 - [75] - Quote Reppers scale with hardeners.
Vulpes Dolosus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 232	Posted - 2013.11.14 20:41:00 - [76] - Quote Flix Keptick wrote: Vulpes Dolosus wrote: I've been mulling with the vehicle fitting tool stickied here and have been pleased with my tinkering. I've made tanks with 31k ehp (30sec, 4k passive, max skills iirc), and proto blasters. I've looked at dropships with 18k ehp for 30sec or 6k for 1min and a 15 sec cooldown with afterburner. I don't know how accurate this tool is or if any things changed, but so far I'm excited. I just wish I had my ADS... I bet that dropship had no turrets thought, I honestly couldn't fit **** on them You're correct. But honestly it shouldn't matter. I've never considered dropships worthy gunships for passengers. I did manage to fit an 11k ehp ship (30sec, 3-4k-ish passive i think) with two rail turrets, but that's only for the seats. I don't plan on using these as a shooting platform, only transporting and uplinking. Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1229	Posted - 2013.11.14 23:20:00 - [77] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: AV was nerfed. Tankers will never be happy. You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want? AV is going to be nerfed. For the first time. Ever. We're still not going to be happy because the damage percentage is still basically going to be the same regarding AV against tanks. We'll be happy when tank v tank battles are closer to Chromosome. You mean chromosome? The build where everyone with a bit of skills into tanks could get 50/0 in a tank? Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. The range of AV was nerfed, damage isn't everything. It used to be 400~ meters, now it's 150~ meters. Again, AV is going to be nerfed. The best early Christmas / Hanukkah present CCP could give tankers is just one week of adjusted AV numbers with current tanks. AV would whine and cry about "The Longest 7 Days in Dust History," when tanks have been suffering nerfs through consecutive builds. And it was the build when tanks were 2HK by other tanks. AV wasn't needed unless one side could not deploy any tanks at all. If there was just one rail tank on any team, that put every single tanker on notice that they could be destroyed in 3 seconds from anywhere, and there was nothing they could do about it. I really don't see infantry's problem with that. Maybe they're jealous they don't know how to pilot a tank. You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. Tanks could've countered tanks, but no, that's not fair to you. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1229	Posted - 2013.11.14 23:21:00 - [78] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Void Echo wrote: well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. Uhh... No... Not everyone wants to be a tanker, but everyone needs to have at least BASIC infantry skills. What does that mean? That the game is an infantry game first, tanks come around that. Nowhere in Dust 514 does it say infantry comes first. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1229	Posted - 2013.11.14 23:22:00 - [79] - Quote Kane Fyea wrote: You do know that back then (In closed beta) we had less players then we do now right? LOL!! *Closed beta required a beta key.* Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1229	Posted - 2013.11.14 23:29:00 - [80] - Quote Atiim wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Atiim wrote: 21-33k EHP and swarms that deal 7,920 HP of damage (and that's at PRO tier, 6 people firing and they emptied thier entire clips) You don't think that's a problem? 6 people. Firing at one person. I do not see the context, so I don't know if this is tanker QQ, but if it is... WTF do you want? Seriously how much more powerful do you want to be? Tanking against 6 people isn't enough? wtf Not tanker QQ The new PRO swarms deal 1320 base damage per clip. (1320*6=7920) Meaning that if an entire squad emptied their clip of swarms into ONE tank, they would do 7920. That is a huge problem when HAVs have around 33k eHP. Meaning tanks would be roflstompeasyofficerweaponredlinethale'striagehivescrwithamarrasssuaktmk.0duvolle mode. I did terrible at math all throughout school and I know you're lying to prove a lame point. You're forgetting proficiency. You're forgetting the ability to stack 5 damage mods on PRO suits. You're forgetting that if they're smart, they'll hold back 4 people, or meet the tank on another area of the map to ambush it when a hardener goes offline. You're basically forgetting everything else except rudimentary stuff. Which is par for the course for infantry. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1229	Posted - 2013.11.14 23:30:00 - [81] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: well im pretty sure one of the most powerful maddy fittings involves nothing but a light repper. and active hardeners. currently that fitting can almost tank an entire forger gunners base ammo capacity.... as for the tank changes in 1.7 im not sure whats going to happen to my decently fitted soma tank. it can take a few/2-3, mlt swarm hits. before needed to head back for reps. still have no proper protection from av nades. although i think it would be nice if my obs that i dropped directly ontop of those havs had not survived... only way to kill a tank now a days is an ob+av at the same time.. the av just finishing the hav off.. if active resists are made to be less effective that could solve the current tank problems.. i dont think the reppers are the problems at that point as they really only provide barely enough time to escape death. i feel the active resist mods are the issues at hand. If you're only pretty sure, methinks you're not a tanker. A light armor repper on a tank = death. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
skippy678 F.T.U. 118	Posted - 2013.11.15 00:02:00 - [82] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Atiim wrote: I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat. wow can u cry some more? you really so scared of a bit of challenge? cry some more ..(coordinated tank /av gods soon tm. ) fair enough. Ive seen thi go back and forth. I know the person i am quoting , daishi, void echo..the others(you know who you are) are already indestructable as it stands. we will see what happens. but keep in mind that we are looking at a respec soon, and some 30 million SP players might just dump it into tanks to give you guys a challenge. Honestly it all depends on what happens with 1.7 so im not making anymore passionate statements untill then. but i would wager that they dont change the forge gun...at all. U.play.good? F.T.U. Recruiting Thread
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 212	Posted - 2013.11.15 09:30:00 - [83] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Void Echo wrote: well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. Uhh... No... Not everyone wants to be a tanker, but everyone needs to have at least BASIC infantry skills. What does that mean? That the game is an infantry game first, tanks come around that. Nowhere in Dust 514 does it say infantry comes first. To be fair Dust is advertised as a Multiplayer First PERSON shooter that brings "intense infantry combat, large-scale warfare, and deep character advancement to a free-to-play massively multiplayer shooter"
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2161	Posted - 2013.11.15 09:33:00 - [84] - Quote Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Atiim wrote: Void Echo wrote: Kane Fyea wrote: You mean the build when this game became World of Tanks? Where the easiest way to win was to spam tanks? Hell back then all infantry guys were useless except for hacking objectives. well... you guys had cod514 for the past year now... this game is nearly dead because of it, back when tanks were actually tanks this game was alive. So we should have Tank 514 because of COD514? Lolno you have no opinion.... im just going to block your ****** ass from making this forum dumber and dumber. And you think you have an educated opinion? My 2 year old son is more logical than you. me no give 2 *** about your son. hes probably as stupid and biased as you are Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior
Void Echo KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 2161	Posted - 2013.11.15 09:36:00 - [85] - Quote skippy678 wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Atiim wrote: I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat. wow can u cry some more? you really so scared of a bit of challenge? cry some more ..(coordinated tank /av gods soon tm. ) fair enough. Ive seen thi go back and forth. I know the person i am quoting , daishi, void echo..the others(you know who you are) are already indestructable as it stands. we will see what happens. but keep in mind that we are looking at a respec soon, and some 30 million SP players might just dump it into tanks to give you guys a challenge. Honestly it all depends on what happens with 1.7 so im not making anymore passionate statements untill then. but i would wager that they dont change the forge gun...at all. with the new specs of vehicles, a lot of us are planning on speccing out of vehicles, nobody that I know of is sticking with them if our fears are true. if your scrubs want to tank after 1.7 be my guest... I really don't give a **** anymore. Youtube Closed Beta (Tanker) Vet Level 2.1 Forum Warrior


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