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Svipdagr Hero
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:12:00 -
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Heya Everyone!
Been mulling over the charts, and I just can't find a way to make these new 1.7 statistics match up to the awesomeness that is the vehicle I have now? Is this intentional for them to be seemingly nerfing tanks? I took a break when FFXIV came out, and am returning soon... Is there something I am missing? or are the tanks actually getting nerfed with this rework?
@ CharOdell - dude, let me know if you found some good combinations with the new stats, I cant seem to find anything comparable to what I have now. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:18:00 -
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I had a chat with odell on the day they released the new stats and we both drew the same numbers and I have to tell you gunlogis will be anything but up when 1.7 hits, yes the blank hulls and mods don't look to effective but if you crunch all the numbers they will be next to indestructible while mods are active and only be vulnerable when on cool down tanking will have a new lease of life in 1.7 bring it on.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Kasote Denzara
A Vulture
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:20:00 -
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Oh, someone sees the actuality of the situation. Here I thought nearly all the people that called themselves "tankers" were too narrow visioned to see what's actually going on. While they claim tanks to be soon unstoppable since AV is getting toned down a bit, I've just been shaking my head since they don't seem to realize that everything about the HAVs is getting changed dramatically.
Not only are stats changing, there's something bigger that people have been crutching with heavily in Uprising. It's getting fixed by becoming a passive that does extremely little compared to the bugged versions we have now. I figure it'll work just like the infantry's, only doing work while not under fire. There is going to be so many dead tanks. So many.
So, I'll give you a +1, because you've given me slight hope for everyone else. In my opinion, they're going to become like Battlefield tanks. Not too strong, but not a kitten either.
If you think Plasma Rifles take skill to use and are fine as they are, you are the problem.
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:20:00 -
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I'm a little bit more confused with what they'll do with the slot layout for Minmatar and Amarr LAVs if the Gallente and Caldari highs and lows stay as they do.
maybe Amarr would have three lows and no highs at standard and Minmatar would be the opposite at standard level.
The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4382
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Posted - 2013.11.14 10:55:00 -
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AV was nerfed.
Tankers will never be happy.
You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want?
Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant
Beta Vet
Level 4 Forum Warrior
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Smoky Fingers
Red Star.
EoN.
144
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:02:00 -
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"Everything seems fine, maybe even better than before,that is.. until you've realized that you're out of ammo"
No one ever pays me in gum :<
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pegasis prime
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:25:00 -
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Smoky Fingers wrote:"Everything seems fine, maybe even better than before,that is.. until you've realized that you're out of ammo"
yea and you spent your last rounds blowing up that supply depo hahahahaha
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:43:00 -
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I think we will really find out in the patch when it lands.
CPM 0 Secretary
Omni-Soldier Specialist
Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
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daishi mk03
Brutor Vanguard
Minmatar Republic
328
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:44:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I had a chat with odell on the day they released the new stats and we both drew the same numbers and I have to tell you gunlogis will be anything but up when 1.7 hits, yes the blank hulls and mods don't look to effective but if you crunch all the numbers they will be next to indestructible while mods are active and only be vulnerable when on cool down tanking will have a new lease of life in 1.7 bring it on.
When the nummbers were released, there was no word about the AV numbers ... the nerfed swarms/nades (and hopefully forge) has BIG impact on tank performance in 1.7.
Also, Gunnlogi suffer from long CDs and Madrugars can't take burst damage ... I'm not sure at the very moment. |
pegasis prime
BIG BAD W0LVES
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Posted - 2013.11.14 11:48:00 -
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daishi mk03 wrote:pegasis prime wrote:I had a chat with odell on the day they released the new stats and we both drew the same numbers and I have to tell you gunlogis will be anything but up when 1.7 hits, yes the blank hulls and mods don't look to effective but if you crunch all the numbers they will be next to indestructible while mods are active and only be vulnerable when on cool down tanking will have a new lease of life in 1.7 bring it on. When the nummbers were released, there was no word about the AV numbers ... the nerfed swarms/nades (and hopefully forge) has BIG impact on tank performance in 1.7. Also, Gunnlogi suffer from long CDs and Madrugars can't take burst damage ... I'm not sure at the very moment.
yes but we could crunch the ehps of each tank and compare armour tanking to shield tanking. I haven't spoken to odell since the release of the new av weponary stats but given you will have gunlogis with 60% resist swarms wont even touch us while our mods are active.
from the numbers we crunched a maddy wont last more than 10 seconds when assaulted by damage modded missiles , gunlogis will have ultra long cool downs but will be devastating during mod cycle . im looking forward to being able to burst tank my gunlogis.
Its gone from suck .....to blow
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
73
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Posted - 2013.11.14 12:49:00 -
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says we are getting ammo for a our tanks to stop spraying and praying............ HTF do you think a blaster tank kills infantry? and you want to give it ammo? |
Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
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Posted - 2013.11.14 13:15:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I had a chat with odell on the day they released the new stats and we both drew the same numbers and I have to tell you gunlogis will be anything but up when 1.7 hits, yes the blank hulls and mods don't look to effective but if you crunch all the numbers they will be next to indestructible while mods are active and only be vulnerable when on cool down tanking will have a new lease of life in 1.7 bring it on.
of course thats why i wait till ur weak to deploy my av up your @ss ..the good days are coming back |
Harpyja
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
770
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:02:00 -
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I like the 1.7 changes. But I can't share you the fits I've created 
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
951
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:03:00 -
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I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat.
Check out my corp's new website here :D
-HAND
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
951
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Posted - 2013.11.14 14:04:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:says we are getting ammo for a our tanks to stop spraying and praying............ HTF do you think a blaster tank kills infantry? and you want to give it ammo?
It's called balance. AV doesn't have infinite ammo so neither should HAVs.
Check out my corp's new website here :D
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
717
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:04:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat.
wow can u cry some more? you really so scared of a bit of challenge? cry some more ..(coordinated tank /av gods soon tm.  ) |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
955
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:08:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:Atiim wrote:I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat. wow can u cry some more? you really so scared of a bit of challenge? cry some more ..(coordinated tank /av gods soon tm. )
LOL
Tankers shouldn't even talk about QQ. Heck I could flood entire countries with the buckets of tears I have from HAV Pilots
You say "bit of challenge" as I driving a steel box with infinite ammo and only being vulnerable to 3 weapons in the entire game is easy. 
Check out my corp's new website here :D
-HAND
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1267
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:17:00 -
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pegasis prime wrote:I had a chat with odell on the day they released the new stats and we both drew the same numbers and I have to tell you gunlogis will be anything but up when 1.7 hits, yes the blank hulls and mods don't look to effective but if you crunch all the numbers they will be next to indestructible while mods are active and only be vulnerable when on cool down tanking will have a new lease of life in 1.7 bring it on.
Ahem, 22k ehp? I cant wait 
"Please don't"
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
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Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
225
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:27:00 -
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I've been mulling with the vehicle fitting tool stickied here and have been pleased with my tinkering.
I've made tanks with 31k ehp (30sec, 4k passive, max skills iirc), and proto blasters. I've looked at dropships with 18k ehp for 30sec or 6k for 1min and a 15 sec cooldown with afterburner.
I don't know how accurate this tool is or if any things changed, but so far I'm excited. I just wish I had my ADS...
Dropship Specialist: AKA Clinically Insane
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1268
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:34:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:AV was nerfed.
Tankers will never be happy.
You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want?
I am happy, I will have a massive power when my resists are on but will get owned during the 30+ sec cooldown. Everyone can be happy. The only ones that will whine will be people that play stupidly.
"Please don't"
GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
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Flix Keptick
Red Star.
EoN.
1268
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:47:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:I've been mulling with the vehicle fitting tool stickied here and have been pleased with my tinkering.
I've made tanks with 31k ehp (30sec, 4k passive, max skills iirc), and proto blasters. I've looked at dropships with 18k ehp for 30sec or 6k for 1min and a 15 sec cooldown with afterburner.
I don't know how accurate this tool is or if any things changed, but so far I'm excited. I just wish I had my ADS...
I bet that dropship had no turrets thought, I honestly couldn't fit **** on them
"Please don't"
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I Support SP Rollover, MAKE IT HAPPEN CCP !!!
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
955
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:50:00 -
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21-33k EHP and swarms that deal 7,920 HP of damage (and that's at PRO tier, 6 people firing and they emptied thier entire clips)
You don't think that's a problem?
Check out my corp's new website here :D
-HAND
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
210
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Posted - 2013.11.14 15:58:00 -
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Atiim wrote:21-33k EHP and swarms that deal 7,920 HP of damage (and that's at PRO tier, 6 people firing and they emptied thier entire clips)
You don't think that's a problem?
Wow I think that will lead to tanks rushing in and trying to retreat to the redline all the time (and crying for nerfs if they couldn't make it ) and to Infantry crying because they need half a Team to bring down Tanks  .
The Time after 1.7 (assuming the changes are in) will be quite interesting on the Forums... |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
605
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:10:00 -
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Kasote Denzara wrote:Oh, someone sees the actuality of the situation. Here I thought nearly all the people that called themselves "tankers" were too narrow visioned to see what's actually going on. While they claim tanks to be soon unstoppable since AV is getting toned down a bit, I've just been shaking my head since they don't seem to realize that everything about the HAVs is getting changed dramatically.
Not only are stats changing, there's something bigger that people have been crutching with heavily in Uprising. It's getting fixed by becoming a passive that does extremely little compared to the bugged versions we have now. I figure it'll work just like the infantry's, only doing work while not under fire. There is going to be so many dead tanks. So many.
So, I'll give you a +1, because you've given me slight hope for everyone else. In my opinion, they're going to become like Battlefield tanks. Not too strong, but not a kitten either.
narrow minded? is that some sort of insult? there are those of us who insist it's a nerf and there are those who think tanks will be unstoppable(mainly swarmers)
I have no Idea what to expect from the new tanks myself. I can tell you that a lot is changing and it looks from my seat to be a good thing.
armor reps are passive but that is neither good nor bad by nature.
the only thing that bothers me in the new stats is the lack of an ADV or PRO tank. the STD is cpu/pg starved and won't be able to be full proto fit also it is a little slot starved imo.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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CELTIC TARON
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
3
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:19:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:AV was nerfed.
Tankers will never be happy.
You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want?
I can survive an orbital now lol. Tested it one day, just sat in one without moving no problems. True dedicated tankers whom have any skill at all know orbitals are of no threat now :p |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1225
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Posted - 2013.11.14 17:52:00 -
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Svipdagr Hero wrote:Heya Everyone!
Been mulling over the charts, and I just can't find a way to make these new 1.7 statistics match up to the awesomeness that is the vehicle I have now? Is this intentional for them to be seemingly nerfing tanks? I took a break when FFXIV came out, and am returning soon... Is there something I am missing? or are the tanks actually getting nerfed with this rework?
@ CharOdell - dude, let me know if you found some good combinations with the new stats, I cant seem to find anything comparable to what I have now.
Of course the coming nerf to tanks is intentional. They're removing active armor reps, soon they will be passive.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1225
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:07:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:I'm a little bit more confused with what they'll do with the slot layout for Minmatar and Amarr LAVs if the Gallente and Caldari highs and lows stay as they do.
maybe Amarr would have three lows and no highs at standard and Minmatar would be the opposite at standard level.
Minmatar would have to have their own small passive reps to make them at all viable. If there's no lows, there's no PG expansion, no ammo expansion, and no possibility for rep modules.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4385
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:08:00 -
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CELTIC TARON wrote:Cat Merc wrote:AV was nerfed.
Tankers will never be happy.
You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want? I can survive an orbital now lol. Tested it one day, just sat in one without moving no problems. True dedicated tankers whom have any skill at all know orbitals are of no threat now :p
EVE Online Obrital Strikes? :P
Oculus Felis Semper Vigilant
Beta Vet
Level 4 Forum Warrior
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Mortedeamor
WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL
721
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:09:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Atiim wrote:I Guess some people won't be happy until thier tanks are invincible and can lock entire squads out of combat. wow can u cry some more? you really so scared of a bit of challenge? cry some more ..(coordinated tank /av gods soon tm. ) LOL Tankers shouldn't even talk about QQ. Heck I could flood entire countries with the buckets of tears I have from HAV Pilots You say "bit of challenge" as I driving a steel box with infinite ammo and only being vulnerable to 3 weapons in the entire game is easy.
tanking is currently the hardest thing in dust it is the hardest class hands down..and im not main specced tanker anymore i do however have both proto av and i am not afraid of balance bring the fight ..give the tankers something to actually make me pull proto |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star.
EoN.
1225
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Posted - 2013.11.14 18:09:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:AV was nerfed.
Tankers will never be happy.
You can survive an orbi in 1.7 using active defeses, dafuq do you want?
AV is going to be nerfed. For the first time. Ever.
We're still not going to be happy because the damage percentage is still basically going to be the same regarding AV against tanks. We'll be happy when tank v tank battles are closer to Chromosome.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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