But then you can only spawn at one location at the start of a game.

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But then you can only spawn at one location at the start of a game.

But then you can only spawn at one location at the start of a game.

Hey man, I don't agree with just having MCC, but honestly...... it really wouldn't make a difference either way. Have it so the first spawn is only in the MCC. Then once the MCC opens up have the ground spawn open up as well. The ground spawns have only really ever been there for redline prevention. But if both teams are only starting in the MCC then it really doesn't make a difference.

Or we could just do it the way I want it and have everyone stand still upon spawning for the first 20 seconds, thus making it so that everyone starts running at the same time. I really don't care how CCP does it, so long as they do it.

CoD does it too. *Shudder* That was weird. I said something good about CoD. I'm going to go home and rethink my life.

MAG had something similar (just look at the 0:30-0:45):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHyHt5FSAoM

At 0:32 you see the spawn screen and you could choose between two spawn points. It's sort of like Rush in BF3 and CoD except you choose where to spawn instead of jumping in place in a set spawn point. MAG also had spawns in 20 second waves for the rest of the game, note that I don't want that in Dust. I'm only talking about the first spawn wave.

The point is, since Dust has more than one initial spawn locations unlike BF3 and CoD, I rather have the MAG initial spawn system because it allows more flexibility.

this would help solve the i just spawned and there is a forger camping our spawn area because of super tall towers only DS can get to....

Late spawn ins are terrible in a game that has a competitive aspect such as PC involved. I think CCP should add a feature where everyone has their initial spawn in but are frozen where they spawn for 20 seconds to allow for everyone else to make their spawn. This will allow for a more equal/balanced playing field that would prevent teams from getting cheated out of losses simply because their team spawned in 5 seconds later then the opposing team.

There isn't any negative to this that I can think of, and really it just makes it so that people like me don't get screwed over because of a late spawn. I mean, lets face it, this game is laggy as hell sometimes and I think a feature like this would go a long way in balancing the game out. But who knows, maybe im just crazy right?

I've brought this thread to the attention of Game Design and rest of Level Design.

actually... i like the thought of spawning as a squad. its better than spawning in one at a time in front of a group of enemies.

if you known youre getting camped, you could spawn as normal except before you actually spawn you'd have to hit the button again. this lets you wait for the rest of you squad or team.

put a limit to how many can spawn at a time and color code the uplinks so we can see where our squad mates are spawning in and how many are spawning at that location.

itd be pretty funny to see spawn campers flee as 6 heavies spawn in all at once lol

The reason I said I didn't want the spawn timer in every spawn like it was in MAG was simply because it would mess with functionality of the uplinks. Only the STD uplinks would be useful. It would have to be changed a little.

I don't know if you played MAG, but spawn timers didn't prevent red-lining; it still happened then. At the same time, MAG didn't have heavies with possibly triple your health.

Honestly, i'd rather have a more fluid spawn systems that doesnt make some players have to wait 10 seconds after the 10 second count down. It's not very "lore friendly" to add a freeze period to PC fights. First spawns are also a viable layer of tactic.

Ummmmm the title of this thread is "like BF3" not MAG. I just want an INITIAL 20 second spawn timer. After that, every other spawn timer would go on like it always has. And by "20 second spawn timer" I mean, the moment the first merc materializes on the ground, he has to stay stationary for 20 seconds. If another merc materializes 10 seconds into the 20 second wait, then he/she only has to wait 10 more seconds.

This way everyone starts moving at the same time and not whenever they load into the game. Simple as that.

DeathwindRising and I were having an internal debate and I know exactly what you want to implement.

While it's true that what we have now isn't good because of the spawn lag, the reason I don't like your idea (while it is better than what we have now) is simply because it only allows one place I can spawn at the start of the game. I prefer options and that's where the initial MAG spawn system comes in.

Essentially I've added a third option to the table.
What we have now vs. BF3 vs. MAG

Isn't this what the warbarge is for? Or at least it was until they nuked the timer.

Look, like ive said twice now. IDC if the MCC is the only spawn or not. Whichever is easier for CCP to implement is the option I would choose. There can be a million spawn options for all I care. So long as nobody can move for the first 20 seconds the problem I care about is fixed. Spawn locations are such a trivial thing to care about when this discussion is about the process of spawning in. Not the locations in which you spawn on to.

We appear is be having a failure communicate.

We both want to solve the issue of the unfair rendering issue. You offered the BF3 spawning system, which would probably work. The only problem I have with it is that it prevents the user from changing his mind before the game even starts, that's it. I'm simply trying to improve the idea you presented.

Alright, may as well edit that post into the OP so you get less people like me.

Don't really like the idea of committing suicide though. Seems like a waste of money and clones.

I do agree with it on a mechanics standpoint - if internet speed differences are dangerous enough on slower-paced EVE to warrant a change(Time Dialation), then the necessity is far greater for an FPS like DUST.

As for lore - If TACNET can suicide your clone for desertion, then it would also be able to freeze your dropsuit's hydraulics/servos while it runs a diagnostic to ensure everyone's TACNET transmitters are synched up properly with their allies.
Of course, that's exactly the reason for including the mechanic in the game - you need all your allies synched when you start the match, lest you recieve the "spawn lag" that is experienced now.