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JerechD Diaboli Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 29	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:27:00 - [31] - Quote I feel your pain. Here's a sample of my last two games. Its the reason why I'm giving Dust a month or two break, because I'll be running around on the Battlefield 4. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4J7mJJuNPRQ
Michael Arck Anubis Prime Syndicate 1843	Posted - 2013.11.15 11:31:00 - [32] - Quote Maybe its wishful thinking, but what if the players just banded together and fought against the protos? What if they concentrated fire on a prototype suit instead of waiting for the player to die so they can get the kill? There must be something that we can do to combat this in the meantime. I really feel CCP won't change it due to the reputation of New Eden. If we all stand together, they can't beat us all. Pubstomping occurs often because we don't band together in-game.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 949	Posted - 2013.11.15 12:53:00 - [33] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Maybe its wishful thinking, but what if the players just banded together and fought against the protos? What if they concentrated fire on a prototype suit instead of waiting for the player to die so they can get the kill? There must be something that we can do to combat this in the meantime. I really feel CCP won't change it due to the reputation of New Eden. If we all stand together, they can't beat us all. Pubstomping occurs often because we don't band together in-game. So true. I have tried to stick up for the less than experienced player and have payed dearly for it, to the point I look out for myself most of the time now. What do I mean by this, if we are getting beaten by some proto's I used to switch to proto and hold the line, but what made me stop was the fact blueberries will watch you fight it out with another proto and when you died they would then attack to steal the kill. If I win they follow me or wait for the next person to attack, so they can watch me die and then they try and steal the kill. Same way with hacking an objective, two to three standing there as you hack, let red shoot you in the back. They kill the red so they can steal the hack. This game is full of immature trolls and why should I bust my A** for some random if I am not going to get the help in return. If I know you or I have played with you I will help and do whatever I can for you. For the random, I will help all I can just have my back as I have yours. Do not eat the yellow snow
Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:00:00 - [34] - Quote We have complained about this for the past 6 months and I had originally thought that the new rebuilt matchmaker would deal with the issue .. it hasn't .. it's actually made it worse and nothing is being done about it in 1.7/1.8 either, it seems that CCP will continue to ignore the problem. We have all read and seen countless solutions banded around these forums and some of them have been great yet they continue to be overlooked by CCP so if you really want this issue looked at please join the Anti-Protostomping Protest that takes place every wednesday after reset .. an entire day of AFKing in the MCC .. read more in the sig link below Join the Revolution
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 725	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:08:00 - [35] - Quote norttheantiv wrote: Red lines and stomps are boring for both sides, but it's that or don't play. It's not any sides fault. If there were more options then this would not happen. It also has to be remembered that all those people in basic suits are just in the way between you and the other proto players. If rainbow are a problem switch to the US servers, more variety there. But you will have to realise that you will never stomp if you can't take them down. If you don't relish the challenge in taking them down then you should consider a different game, the imbalance is part of the reason this game is so interesting Lol, it's a video game. People will quit and move along and your "interesting" game will be a laughable little crap lobby shooter. Oh wait, it already is. If the pen is mightier than the sword, in a duel I'll let you have the pen! -Steven Wright
LudiKure ninda Black Phoenix Mercenaries 45	Posted - 2013.11.15 13:27:00 - [36] - Quote last 4,5 weeks im being protostomped every day,and its not fun at all,many of my frends quit dust. Its really frustrating to hawe 3-15 score every game. But I found a way to deal with this problem. Before I get into game I look at the player list,and if I see this tryhard,proto gay sqads I eather go snipin,or just leave batlle. Simple as that.
Humble Seeker PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 66	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:21:00 - [37] - Quote Import Beercase wrote: We went for factional war for this same reason. Kind of similar, but yeah. Mostly the regulars, like Praetorians such as myself for Amarr FW, New Age Outlaws for Minmatar, Dead Six Initiative for Caldari, etc. Toss in a few randoms to fill the gaps, and you have FW. "Surround yourself with the faithful, Stand together, for there is no strength like it under the heavens."
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1931	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:48:00 - [38] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Maybe its wishful thinking, but what if the players just banded together and fought against the protos? What if they concentrated fire on a prototype suit instead of waiting for the player to die so they can get the kill? There must be something that we can do to combat this in the meantime. I really feel CCP won't change it due to the reputation of New Eden. If we all stand together, they can't beat us all. Pubstomping occurs often because we don't band together in-game. There is an option. Those 10 to 16 players in a match that aren't in a squad can squad up in battle. Perhaps one of those squad leaders even knows how to set a defend order that the rest of the squad sticks to. Hell will probably freeze over before this happens though. Really, lets start putting the fault on the lazy players who repeatedly join battles solo to grind out matches faster. People that don't want to take the few minutes necessary to squad up and use teamwork. This is what is hurting the game. Let's not sugarcoat it. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Funkmaster Whale Imperfects Negative-Feedback 1118	Posted - 2013.11.15 15:57:00 - [39] - Quote It's just the nature of the beast, man. It's partially CCP's fault for lack of proper matchmaking, partially the game's fault with its skill progression system, and partially your fault for not joining up with a squad and coordinating efforts. There's no way to 100% pinpoint this problem and go "yeah, this'll fix the problem" because there will always exist people who are either better or much, much better than you. Again, it's just the nature of the beast. You really just have to learn to adapt to the situations you're presented. I'm a pretty good player (9.2 K/D) but even I know realize when there's no hope of taking on a squaded, coordinated team. "Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up." -Alfred Pennyworth Let me play you the song of my people!
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1932	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:10:00 - [40] - Quote Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's just the nature of the beast, man. It's partially CCP's fault for lack of proper matchmaking, partially the game's fault with its skill progression system, and partially your fault for not joining up with a squad and coordinating efforts. There's no way to 100% pinpoint this problem and go "yeah, this'll fix the problem" because there will always exist people who are either better or much, much better than you. Again, it's just the nature of the beast. You really just have to learn to adapt to the situations you're presented. I'm a pretty good player (9.2 K/D) but even I know realize when there's no hope of taking on a squaded, coordinated team. "Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up." -Alfred Pennyworth Well I'm not sure if I'll ever be an FPS player that can post a 9+ KDR, but I can tell you that it didn't take me long back in closed beta to see that I needed to be in a corp. And not being an elite FPS player I know that I can't expect to beast it up all the time running solo in matches. It also didn't take me long to see that the first corp I joined in closed beta (Space Fish Empire) was garbage and I needed to find some better players to play with. My point being that these guys aren't adapting. They want things handed to them. Dudes that run solo and go 0-10 I have no sympathy for. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.

Karl Marx II Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2013.11.15 16:26:00 - [41] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's just the nature of the beast, man. It's partially CCP's fault for lack of proper matchmaking, partially the game's fault with its skill progression system, and partially your fault for not joining up with a squad and coordinating efforts. There's no way to 100% pinpoint this problem and go "yeah, this'll fix the problem" because there will always exist people who are either better or much, much better than you. Again, it's just the nature of the beast. You really just have to learn to adapt to the situations you're presented. I'm a pretty good player (9.2 K/D) but even I know realize when there's no hope of taking on a squaded, coordinated team. "Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up." -Alfred Pennyworth Well I'm not sure if I'll ever be an FPS player that can post a 9+ KDR, but I can tell you that it didn't take me long back in closed beta to see that I needed to be in a corp. And not being an elite FPS player I know that I can't expect to beast it up all the time running solo in matches. It also didn't take me long to see that the first corp I joined in closed beta (Space Fish Empire) was garbage and I needed to find some better players to play with. My point being that these guys aren't adapting. They want things handed to them. Dudes that run solo and go 0-10 I have no sympathy for. Squads of guys in STD gear get crushed by squads of people in proto gear , you seem to be under the delusion that it's solo players complaining about the problem .. most of the people here complaining squad up and still get slaughtered by the protostompers ... The real frustration is that it's in every single game mode .. there is no where to go to get away from it and it is soul destroying to get crushed in nearly every game because you are constantly up against people with twice as much HP more damage speed stamina etc etc All people are looking for is 1 .. yes that's right .. 1 gamemode to get away from it and actually enjoy a balanced and fun game ... all the best games i've ever played have been close fought matches between squads of pl in ADV and STD gear ... Join the Revolution
Michael Hyperthraz DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:33:00 - [42] - Quote So i did observed player list in every protostomping battle yesterday, and in most cases it was two OP squads vs tottaly random players.
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. 318	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:43:00 - [43] - Quote Solo gameplay has never rewarded much in Dust but your own greed for potentially more kills The matchmaking system is interesting how they are trying to do it statistic based.. off numbers they deem relevant but.. Yea.. we all love Scotty don't we? For most of us we liked the war barge idea purely because there was an insinuation from CCP that it was time needed to fill the match and insure there was compatible competition on both sides and time for "lone wolf's" to find a squad within the match. Though they have made it less boring waiting on war barge between matches... it has eliminated a part we all accepted for the better. Not to mention if that giant table in the middle of the war barge actually displayed the map we where going to be playing on... then every second in the war barge would be worth it.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 546	Posted - 2013.11.15 17:45:00 - [44] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: So i did observed player list in every protostomping battle yesterday, and in most cases it was two OP squads vs tottaly random players. That is because of bad matchmaking. It is utterly useless right now. I see more matches with 2 squads of corps versus all NPC corps than I have ever seen anything else. Playing in a squad less than six almost guarantees that you get put into these types of matches all night long. I cannot honestly tell you the last time I saw a pub match with two full squads on both sides. The fact that the two stack happens all the time, but the double two stack almost never happens says that there is something fundamentally wrong with matchmaking. I believe that it is due to either a player count that is too low to provide matches, or a maximum launch time that is too short to perform good matches. Or a combination of the two. Worst of all, don't expect any major changes to this in the near future. If it is due to player count, it is only going to get worse, and if the matchmaker starts taking 7 or 8 minutes to put a good match together I doubt new players are going to be sticking around without the social aspect the long term players have developed. I can easily spend the search time having a conversation with my squadies, doing director work for my corp, sending mails to scrubs, etc. Most brand new players don't have that type of experience built into the game yet, and for them the long wait times to get a fair even match would be a major PITA. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1935	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:05:00 - [45] - Quote Michael Hyperthraz wrote: So i did observed player list in every protostomping battle yesterday, and in most cases it was two OP squads vs tottaly random players. We dont want anything handed to us. This a video game, and gaming should be enjoyable. There are many casual players with wives and jobs. We dont have a time to adapt, we can play in squads and so on but even this isnt helping. Getting protostomped almost every time is frustrating, and no casual will play it for long time. And this is what people will do, they will quit and population will get even worse than now. Is this what you want a small circlejerk elitist playerbase. Im 30 years old gaming vet and i saw plenty of mmo games almost died because of stuff like this. And for now, dust 514 is going in this direction. You have to understand, we dont want treat gaming like real life or second job. We want to enjoy it. We already have a frustrating stuff wich is called "real life", we dont need it in here too. This is why so many people already left this game. I will be the first to admit that it's a problem when it's a squad of Outer Heaven and a squad of OSG on one side when the other side is all randoms. Something is broken for this to happen over and over again. I'm guessing that the scotty problems resulted in them removing the matchmaking system they came up with altogether. What I am getting at in general is that the stompings wouldn't occur as often if people joined a corp, learned to play better, and joined matches with a group of players they are used to playing with. If your group gets stomped every match then you may need to find a different group. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1936	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:09:00 - [46] - Quote Karl Marx II wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's just the nature of the beast, man. It's partially CCP's fault for lack of proper matchmaking, partially the game's fault with its skill progression system, and partially your fault for not joining up with a squad and coordinating efforts. There's no way to 100% pinpoint this problem and go "yeah, this'll fix the problem" because there will always exist people who are either better or much, much better than you. Again, it's just the nature of the beast. You really just have to learn to adapt to the situations you're presented. I'm a pretty good player (9.2 K/D) but even I know realize when there's no hope of taking on a squaded, coordinated team. "Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up." -Alfred Pennyworth Well I'm not sure if I'll ever be an FPS player that can post a 9+ KDR, but I can tell you that it didn't take me long back in closed beta to see that I needed to be in a corp. And not being an elite FPS player I know that I can't expect to beast it up all the time running solo in matches. It also didn't take me long to see that the first corp I joined in closed beta (Space Fish Empire) was garbage and I needed to find some better players to play with. My point being that these guys aren't adapting. They want things handed to them. Dudes that run solo and go 0-10 I have no sympathy for. Squads of guys in STD gear get crushed by squads of people in proto gear , you seem to be under the delusion that it's solo players complaining about the problem .. most of the people here complaining squad up and still get slaughtered by the protostompers ... The real frustration is that it's in every single game mode .. there is no where to go to get away from it and it is soul destroying to get crushed in nearly every game because you are constantly up against people with twice as much HP more damage speed stamina etc etc All people are looking for is 1 .. yes that's right .. 1 gamemode to get away from it and actually enjoy a balanced and fun game ... all the best games i've ever played have been close fought matches between squads of pl in ADV and STD gear ... It would be nice for players to have a std/mil gear only mode to escape the hard core stompings. I'll give you that. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
GeneralButtNaked ZionTCD Public Disorder. 547	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:15:00 - [47] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: It would be nice for players to have a std/mil gear only mode to escape the hard core stompings. I'll give you that. That only provides the illusion of fairness. A PC squad from any of the major corps will drop six guys with AR prof 5 in a match and have a giggle fest as the noobs on the other side can't figure out how they are dying so fast. Prof 5 Toxin SMG is hilarious on any STD frame against other similar suits. Noobs would be better served to learn to be amatuer jihadis playing at the start of their career. Spec into RE's and grenades and bait proto bears in a MLT suit. Mr. Hybrid Vayu
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP 147	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:16:00 - [48] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Karl Marx II wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's just the nature of the beast, man. It's partially CCP's fault for lack of proper matchmaking, partially the game's fault with its skill progression system, and partially your fault for not joining up with a squad and coordinating efforts. There's no way to 100% pinpoint this problem and go "yeah, this'll fix the problem" because there will always exist people who are either better or much, much better than you. Again, it's just the nature of the beast. You really just have to learn to adapt to the situations you're presented. I'm a pretty good player (9.2 K/D) but even I know realize when there's no hope of taking on a squaded, coordinated team. "Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up." -Alfred Pennyworth Well I'm not sure if I'll ever be an FPS player that can post a 9+ KDR, but I can tell you that it didn't take me long back in closed beta to see that I needed to be in a corp. And not being an elite FPS player I know that I can't expect to beast it up all the time running solo in matches. It also didn't take me long to see that the first corp I joined in closed beta (Space Fish Empire) was garbage and I needed to find some better players to play with. My point being that these guys aren't adapting. They want things handed to them. Dudes that run solo and go 0-10 I have no sympathy for. Squads of guys in STD gear get crushed by squads of people in proto gear , you seem to be under the delusion that it's solo players complaining about the problem .. most of the people here complaining squad up and still get slaughtered by the protostompers ... The real frustration is that it's in every single game mode .. there is no where to go to get away from it and it is soul destroying to get crushed in nearly every game because you are constantly up against people with twice as much HP more damage speed stamina etc etc All people are looking for is 1 .. yes that's right .. 1 gamemode to get away from it and actually enjoy a balanced and fun game ... all the best games i've ever played have been close fought matches between squads of pl in ADV and STD gear ... It would be nice for players to have a std/mil gear only mode to escape the hard core stompings. I'll give you that. Splitting an already super low player base would not help the LOL matchmaking system. Protto Stomping is happening because no one is playing this game. DUST514 I love the dream but not the current product. Dusters - WhenGäó CCP - SoonGäó
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe PC RISE of LEGION 1936	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:21:00 - [49] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: It would be nice for players to have a std/mil gear only mode to escape the hard core stompings. I'll give you that. That only provides the illusion of fairness. A PC squad from any of the major corps will drop six guys with AR prof 5 in a match and have a giggle fest as the noobs on the other side can't figure out how they are dying so fast. Prof 5 Toxin SMG is hilarious on any STD frame against other similar suits. Noobs would be better served to learn to be amatuer jihadis playing at the start of their career. Spec into RE's and grenades and bait proto bears in a MLT suit. I hear you, but I would literally NEVER go into that game mode. I don't want to run STD gear. I have over 30 mil SP. Remove time in battle from ISK payout formula and provide a bonus to winning team... Watch battles become fun again.
Tectonic Fusion 562	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:25:00 - [50] - Quote Yeah. I've seen mostly full squads of Moron Labe and Rainbow Effect in ambush though. I would like to be placed with other players who have 8-12 million SP so I can stomp them. Solo Player Squad status: Locked

Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 294	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:33:00 - [51] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Funkmaster Whale wrote: It's just the nature of the beast, man. It's partially CCP's fault for lack of proper matchmaking, partially the game's fault with its skill progression system, and partially your fault for not joining up with a squad and coordinating efforts. There's no way to 100% pinpoint this problem and go "yeah, this'll fix the problem" because there will always exist people who are either better or much, much better than you. Again, it's just the nature of the beast. You really just have to learn to adapt to the situations you're presented. I'm a pretty good player (9.2 K/D) but even I know realize when there's no hope of taking on a squaded, coordinated team. "Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up." -Alfred Pennyworth Well I'm not sure if I'll ever be an FPS player that can post a 9+ KDR, but I can tell you that it didn't take me long back in closed beta to see that I needed to be in a corp. And not being an elite FPS player I know that I can't expect to beast it up all the time running solo in matches. It also didn't take me long to see that the first corp I joined in closed beta (Space Fish Empire) was garbage and I needed to find some better players to play with. My point being that these guys aren't adapting. They want things handed to them. Dudes that run solo and go 0-10 I have no sympathy for. Funk and Thor are absolutely on the mark. It usually takes veteran players to help train and coach guys to be better. No real clean way to tier squads in matches with that simple fact. As they say Teamwork is OP. It is by design and intent that this is the single most significant factor in victory or individual performance. A good sqd in standard gear can give a random group of proto/advance guys all they can handle. Here is no tactic or weapon that can't be countered with teamwork. The only thing that counters a coordinated sqd/team is another one. Not sure how to fix pub stomping. If you did the long grind for proto and complex gear and have built up friends and allies overtime I don't know that the right answer is to tell you not to use it.
Michael Hyperthraz DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:33:00 - [52] - Quote This game is supposed to attract newbies and casuals to be successful in the future. And right now its just pushing them away, can you imagine a casual dude who just finished his academy and BAM protostomping in most cases- He will quit. I have joined DUST University four days ago and im getting better and better. I play in squads for the most of the time and it is much more enyojable now, even when we loose. We didnt played Ambush mode yet, and i didnt asked why but i bet protostomping is the reason. Im staying just because i role play Minmatar Trader (station pvp aw yeah) in eve online since circa two years, and im hoping for a better "connection" between both worlds in the future. I would like to see this game to be successful like EVE online is.
Joel II X AHPA 154	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:34:00 - [53] - Quote I ran a test regarding proto players. The result was that half of them aren't even good. My team was getting proto stomped one match and I got mad being around 3 protos every time in my scout suit. So, I switched to my assault suit. My assault suit contains: Gallente Assault G-1 Duvolle AR 1 enhanced Damage Mod Scrambler Pistol 2 enhanced Armor plates 1 basic CPU Upgrade 1 basic nanohive I started going positive even against protos with this suit. I don't like using it because it's fairly expensive for me and it's slow as f**k.
Michael Hyperthraz DUST University Ivy League 9	Posted - 2013.11.15 18:47:00 - [54] - Quote I also think that splitting a playerbase to noobs and elites is a bad idea. This is EVE online world and we are supposed to have a choice. A bit better matchmaking system would be great, or like i said before ranked/unranked battles with more and less rewards so players could choose between "tiers" of difficulty. Something like empire, lowsec and null. Elitist would go to null to get the best rewards and play against better players, noobs and carebears(casuals) would mostly stay in empire. And joining null,going lowsec or going back to empire to own would be always our own choice, not a matchmaking automated system. Taking an idea of "choice" from us is even worse than protostomping.
Rafa 3ridebros The Rainbow Effect 2	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:56:00 - [55] - Quote Justicar Karnellia wrote: calvin b wrote: I love battles that go down to the last few clones or ticks on the MCC. That is why I stay away from Ambush. agreed, my most exciting battles are when it's "bunch of randoms" vs "bunch of randoms".... the fight usually goes down to the wire, in skirmish or domination the points are switching back and forth regularly, there is a lot of movement, and the clone count is almost to 0 when someone wins and both MCC's are near destruction - these battles really are the ones when I finish and I'm like "YEAH!" or "DAMN!" but I have a great feeling that I just experienced what the battles in Dust should always be like... On the other hand, I always get that "oh no" feeling inside when I join a match and my team caps all the points in about 30 seconds.. and then they start shooting and dropping orbitals at the unlucky team on the other side... this is no fun, there is little action, little war point rewards.... same can be said if you're on the losing side too. many times i really miss that tight balanced all night matchs in close beta like 'yeah we won but ufff it was f.... close!' so yes we have no funn from redlined dance to. i was really looking foward pc battles to feel this top adrenalina again but strong lags are really heart breaking whan lag is factor who decides between win and loose, leaves this unfair sad feeling to not play pc again. we even switch to us server to find competitive squads but play on us server with lags is no funn for as in the end. but most sad thing is that i was so many months waiting for this basic problems like match making be fixed but CCP is now like 1 year busy meaking some details fix and putting more new things inside, more than this game can handle meaking after every bild new lags need be fixed. makes wrong circle this game is rolling and soon push me i gess to find more axcided game. CCP I DONT WANT NEW WEAPONS NEW MAPS AND GRASS SHINNING I WANT BIG MANS STRONG AMBUSCH FIGHTS BACK
kayn TARON Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 26	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:38:00 - [56] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Maybe its wishful thinking, but what if the players just banded together and fought against the protos? What if they concentrated fire on a prototype suit instead of waiting for the player to die so they can get the kill? There must be something that we can do to combat this in the meantime. I really feel CCP won't change it due to the reputation of New Eden. If we all stand together, they can't beat us all. Pubstomping occurs often because we don't band together in-game. There is an option. Those 10 to 16 players in a match that aren't in a squad can squad up in battle. Perhaps one of those squad leaders even knows how to set a defend order that the rest of the squad sticks to. Hell will probably freeze over before this happens though. Really, lets start putting the fault on the lazy players who repeatedly join battles solo to grind out matches faster. People that don't want to take the few minutes necessary to squad up and use teamwork. This is what is hurting the game. Let's not sugarcoat it. Not to mention the other glaring issues this game has that well has been brought up plenty of times in the past. Well said though as this is "one" of many issues plaguing dust currently. Dust is marketed as an FPS/MMO. Can you name me one MMO that does not have a functional online friends list or PVE? lol


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