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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:27:00 -
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I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that. |
Akdhar Saif
Forty-Nine Fedayeen
Minmatar Republic
72
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:29:00 -
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I had some money left over from buying something on the PSN store so I used it on Dust. It went quickly enough and I've never really thought about buying anything else ever since.
If Aesthetic Upgrades were offered for AUR I'd definitely buy something. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1584
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:42:00 -
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I bought 1 merc pack....still have 6-7k AUR left from that pack.....I use it to get the cosmetically different suits/try new stuff.....but now I have at least basic everything so it just sits there.
"It is the mark of an educated mind to entertain a thought without accepting it."
-Aristotle
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Gorra Snell
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
220
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:42:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4921
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:43:00 -
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It's obviously pay to win.
You have to play it to win, and that requires electricity, which needs to be paid for.
DUST IS CLEARLY P2W!!!11!
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Jadd Hatchen
Psygod9
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
29
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:45:00 -
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Akdhar Saif wrote:I had some money left over from buying something on the PSN store so I used it on Dust. It went quickly enough and I've never really thought about buying anything else ever since.
If Aesthetic Upgrades were offered for AUR I'd definitely buy something.
They were and still are. The different types of armor that you can buy with a lot of the starter kits is modeled after a specific faction or police force in the EVE Online universe. Things like Blood Raiders, Ishukone, Dren, Covenant, etc. The are all pay for basically cosmetic starter setups. I have a feeling that most of the "cosmetic" stuff in the future won't be stuff we can customize (other than maybe showing corp/alliance logos on tanks) but will be armor with paint schemes modeled after various NPC factions in the EVE Online universe.
Upcoming Black Eagles stuff is the latest example. |
Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1453
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:47:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that.
That's not what Pay-To-Win means....
Pay-To-Win means gaining a noticable edge with real money that normal users can't match without paying real money themselves.
Closed Beta Vet
Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
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crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
1985
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:56:00 -
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This is the most terrible OP I've ever seen in my ten years on CCP forums
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crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
1985
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:57:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players.
but AUR gear will be resellable on the player market, for isk
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Lv2spd2
Slow And Old
65
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's obviously pay to win.
You have to play it to win, and that requires electricity, which needs to be paid for.
DUST IS CLEARLY P2W!!!11!
Electricity is OP. Nerf it. |
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MassiveNine
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
468
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Posted - 2013.11.12 21:59:00 -
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I bought 3 merc packs in closed beta and that was it. 60 well spent. Considering I'd spend it on another game that I may or may not get frustrated with it wasn't a big deal to me.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:06:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players.
Are you implying ISK is not real currency?
For shame. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
185
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:12:00 -
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I haven't bought a single thing in this game with real money, i have no aurum, i have no aurum merchandise except the 'burnstalk' LR and that's only because it was free.
Buying with ISK doesn't mean pay to win. Of course you will need to buy in-game stuff with in-game money, want this to be all free? makes no sense.
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
i should make an Everything Nixon Corp
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
582
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:27:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that.
da faq? I can say i haven't spent a cent on this game. I have proto fits and use them at my leisure. I also have 80+ million at any given time.
-1
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5054
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:27:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that.
Actually, if you put some effort into it, you will be surprised how far you can go. Extremely far to be exact. I know this first hand.
If you max out your core skills (dropsuit electronics, engineering, weapon operations, sharpshooter, reload, etc.) that have a broad effect across all of the racial suits, you will notice three things:
1. Fitting your starter suit will become much easier.
2. Weapon damage and accuracy dramatically increases.
3. Module effectiveness increases.
Of course, skill books alone won't help. You need ACTUAL EXPERIENCE-BASED SKILL to make these militia suits extremely effective. If you know what you're doing, then you can be an effective killing machine against a proto player.
As a result, there are still a number of players out there running around in militia gear tearing up everyone wearing proto gear. I know because I saw these players first hand. And when there is one such player there will be many more coming.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:32:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that. Actually, if you put some effort into it, you will be surprised how far you can go. Extremely far to be exact. I know this first hand. If you max out your core skills (dropsuit electronics, engineering, weapon operations, sharpshooter, reload, etc.) that have a broad effect across all of the racial suits, you will notice three things: 1. Fitting your starter suit will become much easier. 2. Weapon damage and accuracy dramatically increases. 3. Module effectiveness increases. Of course, skill books alone won't help. You need ACTUAL EXPERIENCE-BASED SKILL to make these militia suits extremely effective. If you know what you're doing, then you can be an effective killing machine against a proto player. As a result, there are still a number of players out there running around in militia gear tearing up everyone wearing proto gear. I know because I saw these players first hand. And when there is one such player there will be many more coming.
Eh. I don't think the increase to milita module effectiveness will do that much. Fitting doesn't matter either since not spending any ISK or AUR would mean you'd never be able to change a fit...save for the free little bits your doled out at the start and event/newsletter rewards.
I've take that approach actually. Just recently started to skill back into logistics. |
Ripcord19981
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
246
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:33:00 -
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i've never bought anything from this game and i do fairly well on most battles.
I can only please one person per day. Today is not ur day, tomorrow doesn't look too bright either.
Turkey sammich>taco
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:35:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that. da faq? I can say i haven't spent a cent on this game. I have proto fits and use them at my leisure. I also have 80+ million at any given time. -1
What, are those proto fits donated to you? If not, I assume you spend ISK on them. |
knight of 6
SVER True Blood
Public Disorder.
582
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:40:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:knight of 6 wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that. da faq? I can say i haven't spent a cent on this game. I have proto fits and use them at my leisure. I also have 80+ million at any given time. -1 What, are those proto fits donated to you? If not, I assume you spend ISK on them.
no, I've never spent a cent, everything in the market costs more than that!
... see I can make awful troll posts too!
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
CLOSED BETA VET
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8213
The Neutral Zone
679
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:44:00 -
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Its pay-2-win. If there was no major incentive to pay for item in this game, then nobody would spend any money at all.
The biggest argument is that ISK can replace AURUM. Which is not true, because SP and and ISK are two different things in this game. AURUM has to do with SP (because ISK is a infinite resource).
The best example is Dropsuits. To go from Tier 3(Advanced) to Tier V(Prototype) is 2.2 MILLION SP. Why would you grind that that for 10 weeks when you can just buy it outright instead with AURUM, or use a boosters and grind for 7 weeks.
I have no problem buying AURUM. I'd probably pay almost $100 for any other game. But I don't believe its ethically right to charge players in a game that doesn't work. The quality of this game is to lacking to be worthy of my money.
New players have a choice in this game, grind (and only get 1000SP after you hit your cap per game), or buy AURUM... or simply give up and leave. |
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5054
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Posted - 2013.11.12 22:46:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Eh. I don't think the increase to milita module effectiveness will do that much. Fitting doesn't matter either since not spending any ISK or AUR would mean you'd never be able to change a fit...save for the free little bits your doled out at the start and event/newsletter rewards.
I've take that approach actually. Just recently started to skill back into logistics.
With militia modules, fitting is actually everything since militia-level stuff is generally inefficient when it comes to CPU and PG. So every little bit helps. Even with the expense of the non-starter militia stuff, the expense of those items is miniscule in comparison if you're a good player and know how to pick your battles.
A Caldari Assault can go for 3,000 ISK.
520 ISK for damage modules.
400 for shield extenders.
550 for shield rechargers.
520 for armor reps.
290 for cardiac regs.
610 for assault rifles
etc.
etc.
Let's assume you earn 150,000 ISK for match and each militia-only suit costs you 10,000 tops. You will have to die 15 times to go negative on the wallet. Most of the time, you don't even die that much if you pick your battles and go for the light-frame suits (plenty of them everywhere). I die about 8-10 times per match and my suits only cost about 8,000 ISK tops. In public matches, I can stay positive for a long time.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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boba's fetta
Operation Clone Shield
116
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:04:00 -
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when the player market comes in people who have bought bpo's will be able to sell them. and i have a feeling there is going to be a lot of them going on the market. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:08:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Eh. I don't think the increase to milita module effectiveness will do that much. Fitting doesn't matter either since not spending any ISK or AUR would mean you'd never be able to change a fit...save for the free little bits your doled out at the start and event/newsletter rewards.
I've take that approach actually. Just recently started to skill back into logistics. With militia modules, fitting is actually everything since militia-level stuff is generally inefficient when it comes to CPU and PG. So every little bit helps. Even with the expense of the non-starter militia stuff, the expense of those items is miniscule in comparison if you're a good player and know how to pick your battles. A Caldari Assault can go for 3,000 ISK. 520 ISK for damage modules. 400 for shield extenders. 550 for shield rechargers. 520 for armor reps. 290 for cardiac regs. 610 for assault rifles etc. etc. Let's assume you earn 150,000 ISK for match and each militia-only suit costs you 10,000 tops. You will have to die 15 times to go negative on the wallet. Most of the time, you don't even die that much if you pick your battles and go for the light-frame suits (plenty of them everywhere). I die about 8-10 times per match and my suits only cost about 8,000 ISK tops. In public matches, I can stay positive for a long time.
But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
968
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:17:00 -
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I have always thought of dust as pay for experience not pay for win!
If we were to have a gear based matchmaking system kt would end up pay for death!
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:20:00 -
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knight of 6 wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:knight of 6 wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that. da faq? I can say i haven't spent a cent on this game. I have proto fits and use them at my leisure. I also have 80+ million at any given time. -1 What, are those proto fits donated to you? If not, I assume you spend ISK on them. no, I've never spent a cent, everything in the market costs more than that! ... see I can make awful troll posts too!
Go away then, tiny troll. This is a grown-up discussion with mustaches, monocles, and...marinade. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10176
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:21:00 -
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irrefutably? I dont think so.
Richie Richard that spends 20,000 USD on this game would not have a clear cut advantage over Poorman Pennyworth at 20 USD.
Richie can throw more money through his teleporter screen but his stats are not going to any higher, he will have to learn how to shoot, move, and kill people in dust 514 to make a difference, the same difference Poorman Pennyworth is able to do.
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Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
247
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:24:00 -
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not sure how being able to by STD level weapons or equipment that kinda sucks anyway (negligible difference to militia) is pay 2 win especially considering that all the starter fits have a god mode AR. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:25:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote: irrefutably? I dont think so.
Richie Richard that spends 20,000 USD on this game would not have a clear cut advantage over Poorman Pennyworth at 20 USD.
Richie can throw more money through his teleporter screen but his stats are not going to any higher, he will have to learn how to shoot, move, and kill people in dust 514 to make a difference, the same difference Poorman Pennyworth is able to do.
Come now, CPM man. Surely you can see that our boy Richie would have the advantage if diminutive Pennyworth spent no ISK on anything and was rolling around in the basic starter fit while Richie was putting his ISK to good use. |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10176
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:27:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: irrefutably? I dont think so.
Richie Richard that spends 20,000 USD on this game would not have a clear cut advantage over Poorman Pennyworth at 20 USD.
Richie can throw more money through his teleporter screen but his stats are not going to any higher, he will have to learn how to shoot, move, and kill people in dust 514 to make a difference, the same difference Poorman Pennyworth is able to do. Come now, CPM man. Surely you can see that our boy Richie would have the advantage if diminutive Pennyworth spent no ISK on anything and was rolling around in the basic starter fit while Richie was putting his ISK to good use.
What isk? The only source of direct isk is NPC clone sales and battle payouts. Both requiring a degree of game play of some manner to access.
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Harpyja
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
767
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:28:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market.
I don't think you understand the unique concept in Dust where everything you use is literally your own!
This isn't CoD where everything is given to you for free and the only cost of dying is your KDR. Here, it literally costs you something each time you die, unless you use BPOs, which are being removed from the market now.
"By His light, and His will"
- The Scriptures, Gheinok the First, 12:32
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:30:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: irrefutably? I dont think so.
Richie Richard that spends 20,000 USD on this game would not have a clear cut advantage over Poorman Pennyworth at 20 USD.
Richie can throw more money through his teleporter screen but his stats are not going to any higher, he will have to learn how to shoot, move, and kill people in dust 514 to make a difference, the same difference Poorman Pennyworth is able to do. Come now, CPM man. Surely you can see that our boy Richie would have the advantage if diminutive Pennyworth spent no ISK on anything and was rolling around in the basic starter fit while Richie was putting his ISK to good use. What isk? The only source of direct isk is NPC clone sales and battle payouts. Both requiring a degree of game play of some manner to access.
But you don't have to spend it.
Richie will use his ISK. Morally squeaky-clean Pennyworth will not as he WILL NOT pay-to-win. What does he do with it? I don't know. Perhaps he gives it to charity? |
Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10179
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:49:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote: irrefutably? I dont think so.
Richie Richard that spends 20,000 USD on this game would not have a clear cut advantage over Poorman Pennyworth at 20 USD.
Richie can throw more money through his teleporter screen but his stats are not going to any higher, he will have to learn how to shoot, move, and kill people in dust 514 to make a difference, the same difference Poorman Pennyworth is able to do. Come now, CPM man. Surely you can see that our boy Richie would have the advantage if diminutive Pennyworth spent no ISK on anything and was rolling around in the basic starter fit while Richie was putting his ISK to good use. What isk? The only source of direct isk is NPC clone sales and battle payouts. Both requiring a degree of game play of some manner to access. But you don't have to spend it. Richie will use his ISK. Morally squeaky-clean Pennyworth will not as he WILL NOT pay-to-win. What does he do with it? I don't know. Perhaps he gives it to charity?
Pennyworth opens the Pennyworth charity, its to see to Pennyworth's well being, education, gear and employment assistance. Pennyworth has numerous donors such as the guristas, sansha, true power, osomon surveillance, the minmatar republic and more. Pennyworth must spend the isk to validate the charity's existence.
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1456
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:54:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Richie will use his ISK. Morally squeaky-clean Pennyworth will not as he WILL NOT pay-to-win. What does he do with it? I don't know. Perhaps he gives it to charity?
THIS IS NOT THE DEFINITION OF GOD DAMN PAY TO WIN
Oh, wait, I get it... OP is a clever troll and being deliberately dense... I get it now, good job sir, +1 cookies for you.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:54:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:
Come now, CPM man. Surely you can see that our boy Richie would have the advantage if diminutive Pennyworth spent no ISK on anything and was rolling around in the basic starter fit while Richie was putting his ISK to good use.
What isk? The only source of direct isk is NPC clone sales and battle payouts. Both requiring a degree of game play of some manner to access. But you don't have to spend it. Richie will use his ISK. Morally squeaky-clean Pennyworth will not as he WILL NOT pay-to-win. What does he do with it? I don't know. Perhaps he gives it to charity? Pennyworth opens the Pennyworth charity, its to see to Pennyworth's well being, education, gear and employment assistance. Pennyworth has numerous donors such as the guristas, sansha, true power, osomon surveillance, the minmatar republic and more. Pennyworth must spend the isk to validate the charity's existence.
Interesting. This charity ships him items, correct? |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1285
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Posted - 2013.11.12 23:59:00 -
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No Boosters purchasable with ISK has always made this game P2W.
Cheeseburgers.
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Iron Wolf Saber
Den of Swords
10181
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:02:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:
Come now, CPM man. Surely you can see that our boy Richie would have the advantage if diminutive Pennyworth spent no ISK on anything and was rolling around in the basic starter fit while Richie was putting his ISK to good use.
What isk? The only source of direct isk is NPC clone sales and battle payouts. Both requiring a degree of game play of some manner to access. But you don't have to spend it. Richie will use his ISK. Morally squeaky-clean Pennyworth will not as he WILL NOT pay-to-win. What does he do with it? I don't know. Perhaps he gives it to charity? Pennyworth opens the Pennyworth charity, its to see to Pennyworth's well being, education, gear and employment assistance. Pennyworth has numerous donors such as the guristas, sansha, true power, osomon surveillance, the minmatar republic and more. Pennyworth must spend the isk to validate the charity's existence. Interesting. This charity ships him items, correct?
No this charity establishes pennyworth as the supply officer and he has to manage where the funds get spent.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:14:00 -
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Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Iron Wolf Saber wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:
But you don't have to spend it.
Richie will use his ISK. Morally squeaky-clean Pennyworth will not as he WILL NOT pay-to-win. What does he do with it? I don't know. Perhaps he gives it to charity?
Pennyworth opens the Pennyworth charity, its to see to Pennyworth's well being, education, gear and employment assistance. Pennyworth has numerous donors such as the guristas, sansha, true power, osomon surveillance, the minmatar republic and more. Pennyworth must spend the isk to validate the charity's existence. Interesting. This charity ships him items, correct? No this charity establishes pennyworth as the supply officer and he has to manage where the funds get spent.
Doesn't that mean he's paying for things then? |
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AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:16:00 -
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
I suppose you could've just used the base, free starter fits for your entire time in Dust, but I don't think you'd be winning much of anything if you did that.
NOT P2W since i can own any AUR fit with a GEK or a scrambler rifle...
More like P2FS....
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Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5057
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Posted - 2013.11.13 00:28:00 -
[39] - Quote
Quote:
But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market.
You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value.
As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide.
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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m twiggz
Eternal Beings
139
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:08:00 -
[40] - Quote
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Gorra Snell wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players. Are you implying ISK is not real currency? For shame.
Either the OP doesn't understand what pay-to-win means or this is a troll thread. |
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1503
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:13:00 -
[41] - Quote
I havent payed a penny for DUST
Still raping face.
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
36
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:17:00 -
[42] - Quote
You buy a booster and you get an advantage. Don't buy a booster and you are disadvantaged........... P2W. |
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
424
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:20:00 -
[43] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:Quote:
But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market.
You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value. As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide.
Clearly you don't understand and need YOUR brain checked. Pay-to-win implies using currency to get a leg up on others.
If one were to pit two people with similar experience and skill against each other, but one was using a starter fit because he did not pay for anything at all with ISK or AUR (no skills, no suits, modules, weapons, nothing) and the other was, CLEARLY the fellow who is paying his way forward will emerge victorious. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
189
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Posted - 2013.11.13 01:59:00 -
[44] - Quote
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Quote:
But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market.
You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value. As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide. Clearly you don't understand and need YOUR brain checked. Pay-to-win implies using currency to get a leg up on others. If one were to pit two people with similar experience and skill against each other, but one was using a starter fit because he did not pay for anything at all with ISK or AUR (no skills, no suits, modules, weapons, nothing) and the other was, CLEARLY the fellow who is paying his way forward will emerge victorious.
Obviously you do not comprehend the concept in which you are speaking. You are diluting the word "pay-to-win" - which inturn means that you pay REAL MONEY to get the upper leg on the game with items the regular Pennyworth cannot get with ISK. ISK is in-game money in which EVERY SINGLE PERSON can obtain and use for their own in-game.
Now, on the second subject you brought up. Are you saying that training a skill is cheating?...if so i am a big fat cheater. Everyone trains a skill, even the newberries. Why would anyone not?...I'm sorry but this logic you are speaking of gets on my nerves and makes absolute no sense. Please stop this pursuit of antagonizing people, they feed on your tears.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
425
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:25:00 -
[45] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Quote:
But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market.
You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value. As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide. Clearly you don't understand and need YOUR brain checked. Pay-to-win implies using currency to get a leg up on others. If one were to pit two people with similar experience and skill against each other, but one was using a starter fit because he did not pay for anything at all with ISK or AUR (no skills, no suits, modules, weapons, nothing) and the other was, CLEARLY the fellow who is paying his way forward will emerge victorious. Obviously you do not comprehend the concept in which you are speaking. You are diluting the word "pay-to-win" - which inturn means that you pay REAL MONEY to get the upper leg on the game with items the regular Pennyworth cannot get with ISK. ISK is in-game money in which EVERY SINGLE PERSON can obtain and use for their own in-game. Now, on the second subject you brought up. Are you saying that training a skill is cheating?...if so i am a big fat cheater. Everyone trains a skill, even the newberries. Why would anyone not?...I'm sorry but this logic you are speaking of gets on my nerves and makes absolute no sense. Please stop this pursuit of antagonizing people, they feed on your tears.
Training skills is not "cheating", but it is a crutch obtained through pay-to-win means, namely ISK.
I'm saying that I can't respect any of the scrubs in this game that pay-to-win, which apparently is 99.9999% of the population. I myself, shameful as it is, falls into this percentage. I was hoping that there would be an honroable individual amongst us, but it appears that that was too much to hope.
And, listen closely fool, ISK is real money. Everyone can obtain it just as everyone can obtain AUR. What distinguishes the scrubs from the players is that scrubs need to buy crutches from the market. The majority of the player base in Dust514 is terrible, shameful is what it is. The players in this game are all lazy and undisciplined. Things need to change. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
192
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:34:00 -
[46] - Quote
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:VAHZZ wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:Quote:
But your still paying for them. Pay-to-win is not cool, bruh.
Only ones who will have my respect are those that have been playing the game for a while and have not bought a single thing in the market.
You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value. As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide. Clearly you don't understand and need YOUR brain checked. Pay-to-win implies using currency to get a leg up on others. If one were to pit two people with similar experience and skill against each other, but one was using a starter fit because he did not pay for anything at all with ISK or AUR (no skills, no suits, modules, weapons, nothing) and the other was, CLEARLY the fellow who is paying his way forward will emerge victorious. Obviously you do not comprehend the concept in which you are speaking. You are diluting the word "pay-to-win" - which inturn means that you pay REAL MONEY to get the upper leg on the game with items the regular Pennyworth cannot get with ISK. ISK is in-game money in which EVERY SINGLE PERSON can obtain and use for their own in-game. Now, on the second subject you brought up. Are you saying that training a skill is cheating?...if so i am a big fat cheater. Everyone trains a skill, even the newberries. Why would anyone not?...I'm sorry but this logic you are speaking of gets on my nerves and makes absolute no sense. Please stop this pursuit of antagonizing people, they feed on your tears. Training skills is not "cheating", but it is a crutch obtained through pay-to-win means, namely ISK. I'm saying that I can't respect any of the scrubs in this game that pay-to-win, which apparently is 99.9999% of the population. I myself, shameful as it is, falls into this percentage. I was hoping that there would be an honroable individual amongst us, but it appears that that was too much to hope. And, listen closely fool, ISK is real money. Everyone can obtain it just as everyone can obtain AUR. What distinguishes the scrubs from the players is that scrubs need to buy crutches from the market. The majority of the player base in Dust514 is terrible, shameful is what it is. The players in this game are all lazy and undisciplined. Things need to change.
You are no doubt, the most ignorant and hard headed troll ever, do you even hear yourself?..So what you are saying is, to be truly honorable. You must have no skill, not buy a single weapon or dropsuit or module and only use militia gear - even though that is part of the friggin game? Sounds like a bunch of hogwash, that only a simple minded purist would say. ISK is real money IN-GAME. Aurum you pay with REAL LIFE MONEY, you can by no means obtain Aurum strickly in-game without the use of a psn card or credit card so no, you insignificant clone, not everybody can obtain Aurum, some of us are broke IRL. You are disregarded the facts i am PLAINLY stating and spitting on the ground like a fool and reversing logic. I am by no means an angry person, but people who disregard the facts like this just...bring out my insanity like no other.
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XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO
Storm Wind Strikeforce
Caldari State
507
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Posted - 2013.11.13 02:46:00 -
[47] - Quote
pay 2 win
would be SP for real life money
SOONGäó
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
37
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:09:00 -
[48] - Quote
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:pay 2 win
would be SP for real life money
Like skill boosters perhaps? |
Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1507
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:20:00 -
[49] - Quote
Badonk Adonk wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:pay 2 win
would be SP for real life money Like skill boosters perhaps?
Skill Boosters still require you to actually play.
You don't just buy the SB and instantly win.
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Badonk Adonk
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:34:00 -
[50] - Quote
Meeko Fent wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:pay 2 win
would be SP for real life money Like skill boosters perhaps? Skill Boosters still require you to actually play. You don't just buy the SB and instantly win.
and?
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
425
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:52:00 -
[51] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:VAHZZ wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:You need to get your head checked. Pay to win these days, even by simians with half a brain, understand that pay to win only involves real world cash only. In game currency doesn't count because it has no real world value.
As for your final statement, you will never find such a person. Ever. Even your skill books require ISK to purchase. Even then it's not pay to win because there is nothing in this game that real world currency can give you an advantage for that ISK variants don't already provide. Clearly you don't understand and need YOUR brain checked. Pay-to-win implies using currency to get a leg up on others. If one were to pit two people with similar experience and skill against each other, but one was using a starter fit because he did not pay for anything at all with ISK or AUR (no skills, no suits, modules, weapons, nothing) and the other was, CLEARLY the fellow who is paying his way forward will emerge victorious. Obviously you do not comprehend the concept in which you are speaking. You are diluting the word "pay-to-win" - which inturn means that you pay REAL MONEY to get the upper leg on the game with items the regular Pennyworth cannot get with ISK. ISK is in-game money in which EVERY SINGLE PERSON can obtain and use for their own in-game. Now, on the second subject you brought up. Are you saying that training a skill is cheating?...if so i am a big fat cheater. Everyone trains a skill, even the newberries. Why would anyone not?...I'm sorry but this logic you are speaking of gets on my nerves and makes absolute no sense. Please stop this pursuit of antagonizing people, they feed on your tears. Training skills is not "cheating", but it is a crutch obtained through pay-to-win means, namely ISK. I'm saying that I can't respect any of the scrubs in this game that pay-to-win, which apparently is 99.9999% of the population. I myself, shameful as it is, falls into this percentage. I was hoping that there would be an honroable individual amongst us, but it appears that that was too much to hope. And, listen closely fool, ISK is real money. Everyone can obtain it just as everyone can obtain AUR. What distinguishes the scrubs from the players is that scrubs need to buy crutches from the market. The majority of the player base in Dust514 is terrible, shameful is what it is. The players in this game are all lazy and undisciplined. Things need to change. You are no doubt, the most ignorant and hard headed troll ever, do you even hear yourself?..So what you are saying is, to be truly honorable. You must have no skill, not buy a single weapon or dropsuit or module and only use militia gear - even though that is part of the friggin game? Sounds like a bunch of hogwash, that only a simple minded purist would say. ISK is real money IN-GAME. Aurum you pay with REAL LIFE MONEY, you can by no means obtain Aurum strickly in-game without the use of a psn card or credit card so no, you insignificant clone, not everybody can obtain Aurum, some of us are broke IRL. You are disregarded the facts i am PLAINLY stating and spitting on the ground like a fool and reversing logic. I am by no means an angry person, but people who disregard the facts like this just...bring out my insanity like no other.
Seeing as you can't seem to wrap your head around this simple concept of pay-to-win, yes I can see that your quite insane at the moment.
Sure, everything else above starter fits is "part of the game", but they are all crutches made for those with the ISK or AUR to pay for it. Makes me sick, but like an addict I give in anyway.
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Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
367
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Posted - 2013.11.13 03:58:00 -
[52] - Quote
They say it's not but man. You can't seem to find those 75% uplinks for ISK on the market. They're only sold for ARUM. That kinda defeats the purpose of playing.
Director (Management)
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1508
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:00:00 -
[53] - Quote
Badonk Adonk wrote:Meeko Fent wrote:Badonk Adonk wrote:XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO wrote:pay 2 win
would be SP for real life money Like skill boosters perhaps? Skill Boosters still require you to actually play. You don't just buy the SB and instantly win. and?
You still play for what you got.
You still have the long wait for skills.
All it does is slightly improve the rate that skills are trained.
And, SB's don't make you totally outright better then another player of equal SP.
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:04:00 -
[54] - Quote
I bet CCP is watching this thread and laughing at the stupidity.
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Meeko Fent
Xer Cloud Consortium
1508
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:08:00 -
[55] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:I bet CCP is watching this thread and laughing at the stupidity.
CCP raRaRa watches everything.
Beware the Web Dev.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
425
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:17:00 -
[56] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:I bet CCP is watching this thread and laughing at the stupidity.
I know I am.
Trying to defend ISK use. Pathetic. |
VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
195
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:20:00 -
[57] - Quote
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:VAHZZ wrote:I bet CCP is watching this thread and laughing at the stupidity. I know I am. Trying to defend ISK use. Pathetic.
Don't use ISK if you are that strong about it. See if we care, go use militia gear and get your a$$ pubstomped, OH! be sure to send me a video so i can laugh my friggin butt off at your stupidity.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
425
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:49:00 -
[58] - Quote
VAHZZ wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:VAHZZ wrote:I bet CCP is watching this thread and laughing at the stupidity. I know I am. Trying to defend ISK use. Pathetic. Don't use ISK if you are that strong about it. See if we care, go use militia gear and get your a$$ pubstomped, OH! be sure to send me a video so i can laugh my friggin butt off at your stupidity.
More words from the weak.
I unfortunately have already soiled my soul, using ISK in the beta before I knew how large a sin it was. At least I can admit it was a scrub decision that I have to live with for the rest of my DUST514 days. Simply using militia gear or starter fits will not help me now.
You, my ignorant scrub, can laugh all you want, but I will watch an awe at anyone that can remain so skilled. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University
Ivy League
5060
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:03:00 -
[59] - Quote
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals IS AN ACTIVE TROLL TROLLING EVERYONE IN SIGHT. DO NOT APPROACH THE TROLL. PLEASE DOWSE THIS TROLL WITH MARMALADE AND SPREAD IT GOOD UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO SPREAD. THEN THROW IT INTO THE TRASH AFTER PREPARING THE MEAL. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
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ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals
Seituoda Taskforce Command
Caldari State
425
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:18:00 -
[60] - Quote
Maken Tosch wrote:==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals IS AN ACTIVE TROLL TROLLING EVERYONE IN SIGHT. DO NOT APPROACH THE TROLL. PLEASE DOWSE THIS TROLL WITH MARMALADE AND SPREAD IT GOOD UNTIL THERE IS NOTHING LEFT TO SPREAD. THEN THROW IT INTO THE TRASH AFTER PREPARING THE MEAL. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
==============TROLDAR ALERT===================
The hell would you waste good marmalade for? |
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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
551
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:24:00 -
[61] - Quote
Gorra Snell wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players.
but that is only in FW. P2W means that here is no way of actually winning without paying. Pro suits are the bread and butter of some players. And I know a lot of protostompers who would disagree that the only way to efficiently run proto is with aurum.
If you have an aurum proto suit and I had a regular isk suit. None would be better than the other.
I ussually run standard suits and can make about 1mil or two a day after losses if I put my mind to it. When I want to run proto I run proto and it's with isk, not with aurum.
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Joel II X
AHPA
135
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:40:00 -
[62] - Quote
Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's obviously pay to win.
You have to play it to win, and that requires electricity, which needs to be paid for.
DUST IS CLEARLY P2W!!!11!
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8213
The Neutral Zone
685
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:08:00 -
[63] - Quote
Good evidence for p2w is the Academy. Players can outright buy Advanced and Prototype gear before their first match. Players are making alts just to do it to troll.
P2W may not be the best term, but paying gives you a serious advantage. In theory a Proto is not supposed to be beaten by a Basic. Proto equipment definitely compensates for any skill gap. Does a Gallente Militia have a prayer against a Gallente Proto? Not in the slightest. The Proto would have to lose on purpose to lose that 1on1. |
crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
1987
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:35:00 -
[64] - Quote
MassiveNine wrote:I bought 3 merc packs in closed beta and that was it. 60 well spent. Considering I'd spend it on another game that I may or may not get frustrated with it wasn't a big deal to me.
OP is talking about dust being pay to win because you need to earn isk in game and spend it to win :/ |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
103
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:48:00 -
[65] - Quote
I see both sides...
Everything available to the paying player is available to the non-paying player too, but it takes the non-paying player longer to do it. Using this logic, I disagree with the OP.
Because a paying player can "do more faster", he gains an advantage over the non-paying player, all else being equal. Using this logic, I agree with the OP.
However, and in my humble opinion, a relatively small amount of player skill overcomes any advantage in player $$$ investment, so I'd probably lean more towards disagreeing with the OP overall, the "irrefutably" description in the title.
Respectfully. submitted...Leadfoot |
dustwaffle
Xer Cloud Consortium
658
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:58:00 -
[66] - Quote
6/10 (2 bonus points for all the super serious replies to an obvious troll)
Getting to page 4 is pretty good.
Obvious troll is not so obvious it seems.
Seriously people, your brain, engage it. |
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