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XxGhazbaranxX
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:24:00 -
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Gorra Snell wrote:ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote:I mean, at some point we all must've bought some items with ISK or AUR, right?
People mean real money when they say 'pay-to-win', so ISK is irrelevant. Most players seem fairly content that the current model is more pay-to-grind-less, since all AUR items have ISK equivalents. I would posit that once FW becomes a major ISK sink, the game will become incrementally more pay-to-win since AUR gear will become the only viable way to continually run PRO gear for more players.
but that is only in FW. P2W means that here is no way of actually winning without paying. Pro suits are the bread and butter of some players. And I know a lot of protostompers who would disagree that the only way to efficiently run proto is with aurum.
If you have an aurum proto suit and I had a regular isk suit. None would be better than the other.
I ussually run standard suits and can make about 1mil or two a day after losses if I put my mind to it. When I want to run proto I run proto and it's with isk, not with aurum.
Plasma Cannon Advocate
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Joel II X
AHPA
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Posted - 2013.11.13 05:40:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:It's obviously pay to win.
You have to play it to win, and that requires electricity, which needs to be paid for.
DUST IS CLEARLY P2W!!!11!
I would like this a thousand times if I could. |
8213
The Neutral Zone
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Posted - 2013.11.13 06:08:00 -
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Good evidence for p2w is the Academy. Players can outright buy Advanced and Prototype gear before their first match. Players are making alts just to do it to troll.
P2W may not be the best term, but paying gives you a serious advantage. In theory a Proto is not supposed to be beaten by a Basic. Proto equipment definitely compensates for any skill gap. Does a Gallente Militia have a prayer against a Gallente Proto? Not in the slightest. The Proto would have to lose on purpose to lose that 1on1. |
crazy space 1
Vherokior Combat Logistics
Minmatar Republic
1987
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:35:00 -
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MassiveNine wrote:I bought 3 merc packs in closed beta and that was it. 60 well spent. Considering I'd spend it on another game that I may or may not get frustrated with it wasn't a big deal to me.
OP is talking about dust being pay to win because you need to earn isk in game and spend it to win :/ |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.13 08:48:00 -
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I see both sides...
Everything available to the paying player is available to the non-paying player too, but it takes the non-paying player longer to do it. Using this logic, I disagree with the OP.
Because a paying player can "do more faster", he gains an advantage over the non-paying player, all else being equal. Using this logic, I agree with the OP.
However, and in my humble opinion, a relatively small amount of player skill overcomes any advantage in player $$$ investment, so I'd probably lean more towards disagreeing with the OP overall, the "irrefutably" description in the title.
Respectfully. submitted...Leadfoot |
dustwaffle
Xer Cloud Consortium
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Posted - 2013.11.13 09:58:00 -
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6/10 (2 bonus points for all the super serious replies to an obvious troll)
Getting to page 4 is pretty good.
Obvious troll is not so obvious it seems.
Seriously people, your brain, engage it. |
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