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Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1217	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:50:00 - [1] - Quote That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 79	Posted - 2013.11.11 23:52:00 - [2] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. i want chromosome back, like WTF, the best counter to a tank should be another tank... B Double O T Y
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4077	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:03:00 - [3] - Quote Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1217	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:06:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Vegetation Monster The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 81	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:06:00 - [5] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. i really wish the large missile turret was like the current turret and i also wish it had shell drop off and long range, i like the drop off because then we dont have to hit the enemy right on, the shell will drop to the ground and do lots of damage with blast radius 450 standard, 575 adv 750 proto. B Double O T Y
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1217	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:20:00 - [6] - Quote Vegetation Monster wrote: True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. i really wish the large missile turret was like the current turret and i also wish it had shell drop off and long range, i like the drop off because then we dont have to hit the enemy right on, the shell will drop to the ground and do lots of damage with blast radius 450 standard, 575 adv 750 proto. Drop off could be done when range is measured in miles, not meters. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4077	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:28:00 - [7] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. The blaster has just ruined vehicle combat, IMO for what its worth, I don't like the idea of a tank carrying a 50 Cal or the equivalent as its primary weapon, I like the idea of massive ordinance over what should be a lower DPS medium turret weapon. I would rather see us all firing main battle cannons with AoE at medium ranges to get our kills than be within 20 M just brawling like we do now. And for the most part that is all tanking in this game is since we seem to have a massive abundance of Blaster HAV. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1147	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:30:00 - [8] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. The blaster has just ruined vehicle combat, IMO for what its worth, I don't like the idea of a tank carrying a 50 Cal or the equivalent as its primary weapon, I like the idea of massive ordinance over what should be a lower DPS medium turret weapon. I would rather see us all firing main battle cannons with AoE at medium ranges to get our kills than be within 20 M just brawling like we do now. And for the most part that is all tanking in this game is since we seem to have a massive abundance of Blaster HAV. it used to be all rail and missile. but both were nerfed to the ground. and blaster was the only viable option. blame CCP for tht. Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry Msg me for PC. I only charge for lost tanks.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1217	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:30:00 - [9] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. The blaster has just ruined vehicle combat, IMO for what its worth, I don't like the idea of a tank carrying a 50 Cal or the equivalent as its primary weapon, I like the idea of massive ordinance over what should be a lower DPS medium turret weapon. I would rather see us all firing main battle cannons with AoE at medium ranges to get our kills than be within 20 M just brawling like we do now. And for the most part that is all tanking in this game is since we seem to have a massive abundance of Blaster HAV. It's the best combination of anti vehicle and anti infantry. Missile is laughable most times, and you have to be really, really good to use a rail as anti infantry. Also no small feat to use a rail in a CQC situation against another tank (like I did a little while ago twice). Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 121	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:32:00 - [10] - Quote I wouldn't suggest you be a scout. I don't think you have the skills for that.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4078	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:34:00 - [11] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. The blaster has just ruined vehicle combat, IMO for what its worth, I don't like the idea of a tank carrying a 50 Cal or the equivalent as its primary weapon, I like the idea of massive ordinance over what should be a lower DPS medium turret weapon. I would rather see us all firing main battle cannons with AoE at medium ranges to get our kills than be within 20 M just brawling like we do now. And for the most part that is all tanking in this game is since we seem to have a massive abundance of Blaster HAV. It's the best combination of anti vehicle and anti infantry. Missile is laughable most times, and you have to be really, really good to use a rail as anti infantry. Also no small feat to use a rail in a CQC situation against another tank (like I did a little while ago twice). I know... I would however like to see difference in how they operate though. The Blaster is the AR of tanks. Cant it just be made and Anti Infantry weapon, leaving the Rail and Missiles and the primary Anti vehicle weapons? Or make the rail more capable of Anti Infantry combat so atleast we start to see more variance. I like the rail but there is no reason to pick it over a blaster unless I want to hide in the redline which is cowardly at best. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4078	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:35:00 - [12] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: I wouldn't suggest you be a scout. I don't think you have the skills for that. Scouting is fun. If I don't tank I will scout with Dual ScP, and or lasers, these being the only infantry weapons I can use. Scouts take skill yes, but more than that they take cunning. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 967	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:39:00 - [13] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH, HAH HAH HAH * Takes deep breath HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH My god spike, they are nerfing AV for you and you are still not happy? They are nerfing swarms range AND damage, they are nerfing forge gun and you still believe tanks are useless? Shows what a terrible tanker you really are! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4079	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:47:00 - [14] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH, HAH HAH HAH * Takes deep breath HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH My god spike, they are nerfing AV for you and you are still not happy? They are nerfing swarms range AND damage, they are nerfing forge gun and you still believe tanks are useless? Shows what a terrible tanker you really are! I'm pretty sure tanks are getting a hard rebalancing as well, in terms of fittings I think it will be tough to make some viable fits. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 121	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:48:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Gunmouse wrote: I wouldn't suggest you be a scout. I don't think you have the skills for that. Scouting is fun. If I don't tank I will scout with Dual ScP, and or lasers, these being the only infantry weapons I can use. Scouts take skill yes, but more than that they take cunning. This man here understands. Being a scout is 100% on being tactically aware of your surroundings at all times, and being completely unpredictable. Also, got Prof. 4 in Scr P's and I can confirm dual wielding is fun as hell!
Dominus Fatali Nox Aeterna Security 636	Posted - 2013.11.12 00:54:00 - [16] - Quote Scouts are fun. Also, thanks for letting my tank surf for a while yesterday. Long Live Freedom; Long Live the Federation.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 967	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:05:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH, HAH HAH HAH * Takes deep breath HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH My god spike, they are nerfing AV for you and you are still not happy? They are nerfing swarms range AND damage, they are nerfing forge gun and you still believe tanks are useless? Shows what a terrible tanker you really are! I'm pretty sure tanks are getting a hard rebalancing as well, in terms of fittings I think it will be tough to make some viable fits. Well yeah you are only being given standard hulls at the moment, but as I did some theory crafting before, (you may have joined in) basically on an armour tank, hardners are most effecient after at least 2 plates. It is a long rework, things are gonna get worse before they get better! The pen is mightier than the sword The gun is mightier than both
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4079	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:16:00 - [18] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: True Adamance wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH, HAH HAH HAH * Takes deep breath HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH My god spike, they are nerfing AV for you and you are still not happy? They are nerfing swarms range AND damage, they are nerfing forge gun and you still believe tanks are useless? Shows what a terrible tanker you really are! I'm pretty sure tanks are getting a hard rebalancing as well, in terms of fittings I think it will be tough to make some viable fits. Well yeah you are only being given standard hulls at the moment, but as I did some theory crafting before, (you may have joined in) basically on an armour tank, hardners are most effecient after at least 2 plates. It is a long rework, things are gonna get worse before they get better! Don't I know it, especially for an aspiring Amarrian tanker like me who will need to try to dual tank with 4 slots at Std level. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Meeko Fent Xer Cloud Consortium 1502	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:48:00 - [19] - Quote Let my turret aim lower, and all is well. That's my only issue with lolMissiles. For the State! For Caldari FW join Caldari Hierarchy
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1502	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:54:00 - [20] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: True Adamance wrote: Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat. Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. The blaster has just ruined vehicle combat, IMO for what its worth, I don't like the idea of a tank carrying a 50 Cal or the equivalent as its primary weapon, I like the idea of massive ordinance over what should be a lower DPS medium turret weapon. I would rather see us all firing main battle cannons with AoE at medium ranges to get our kills than be within 20 M just brawling like we do now. And for the most part that is all tanking in this game is since we seem to have a massive abundance of Blaster HAV. It's the best combination of anti vehicle and anti infantry. Missile is laughable most times, and you have to be really, really good to use a rail as anti infantry. Also no small feat to use a rail in a CQC situation against another tank (like I did a little while ago twice). I know... I would however like to see difference in how they operate though. The Blaster is the AR of tanks. Cant it just be made and Anti Infantry weapon, leaving the Rail and Missiles and the primary Anti vehicle weapons? Or make the rail more capable of Anti Infantry combat so atleast we start to see more variance. I like the rail but there is no reason to pick it over a blaster unless I want to hide in the redline which is cowardly at best. ...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!

Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1447	Posted - 2013.11.12 01:58:00 - [21] - Quote Truthfully, the reason why I'm not going to tank is because the new "active" focus is garbage due to the low slots. You have HAVs that will be gods for 60 seconds, then have to cool-down or ker-plode due to a ridiculous temporary drop in EHP... How many HAVers who red-line snipe will care? Probably no one as this is a nice buff to them. How many HAVers who actually go midfield (Like me and my large missile turret) will care? Probably all of us, as a 40-60 second window for combat with a huge accompanying window for cooldown is not viable for anyone who wants to be out of the redline or lurking around the very edges of the maps. HAVers want HAVs that are rugged and powerful, and AVers want HAVs that can be killed... Instead what 1.7 will give us are Iron Gods who wander around for 60 seconds laughing at all the AV and then suddenly in an eyeblink kerplode if they are not in a safe place. We'll basically have small quick incursions by HAVs popping out of the redline, wrecking face for a few seconds at the closest objective, and retreating back before AV can do anything about them besides an orbital and before the HAV pilot can actually have any fun besides small-scale bullying. This is not fun, this is not interesting. But hey, what do I know... I'm a die-hard Heavy-suit shield-HAV-missile enthusiast, I'm very biased... Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
8213 The Neutral Zone 664	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:15:00 - [22] - Quote HAVs had their run in DUST 514, the player base caught on eventually and had enough SP to invest into AV. Don't bother tanking, unless you got $100 Millions to blow away...
Sgt Buttscratch R 0 N 1 N 971	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:19:00 - [23] - Quote Atm tanking is worth while in very short bursts ( Call tank in, mutilate enemy tank, recall). Anything more is just making tank loss almost a certainty. After the patch, I won't be tanking. Though AV is to be nerfed I refuse to drive some BS walmart tank with less slots than the current soma does, ******* joke. Most tankers I know are also thinking the best option would be to skill out of tanks if the SP is returned. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
The legend345 TeamPlayers 4226	Posted - 2013.11.12 02:26:00 - [24] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. Tanker
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:09:00 - [25] - Quote Gunmouse wrote: I wouldn't suggest you be a scout. I don't think you have the skills for that. Lol. Lol. In PC, I obviously tank, as that's where my skills are maxed out and I can easily afford enough fits of all the best gear per match, and each fit is the best you'll find in Molden Heath (not tooting my own horn here, there's a handful of fits that work the best and tankers know them like their hands). What makes you think I'd be a bad scout? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 879	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:14:00 - [26] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to? There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4088	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:19:00 - [27] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to? I'm not hypocritical so can I start talking about OP AV! "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 880	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:26:00 - [28] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to? I'm not hypocritical so can I start talking about OP AV! "All Amarrians are hypocrites in my eyes" But on another note, I could care less if anyone QQ's about AV as long as they base their claim on facts and not situation that only happen once in a lifetime. (Which 99.99999% of the pilot community) It's just that you honestly can't be taken seriously when you cry about Forge Guns on a roof and how easy and cheap the tactic is; just to do literally the exact same thing. There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4090	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:30:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to? I'm not hypocritical so can I start talking about OP AV! "All Amarrians are hypocrites in my eyes" But on another note, I could care less if anyone QQ's about AV as long as they base their claim on facts and not situation that only happen once in a lifetime. (Which 99.99999% of the pilot community) It's just that you honestly can't be taken seriously when you cry about Forge Guns on a roof and how easy and cheap the tactic is; just to do literally the exact same thing. 1470 Damage per hit from a FG with 40% Armour Harderners on.....it hurts me mate. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:37:00 - [30] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH, HAH HAH HAH * Takes deep breath HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH My god spike, they are nerfing AV for you and you are still not happy? They are nerfing swarms range AND damage, they are nerfing forge gun and you still believe tanks are useless? Shows what a terrible tanker you really are! Do you tank? Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:39:00 - [31] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: ...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right? Some poor sap in a blaster tank tried to take me on with my rail. I let him fire away, I was firing away with my coolant going, then when he sees I'm not going down, he backs off. Big, big mistake against a rail tank. It was easy to just follow him and finish him off. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:41:00 - [32] - Quote 8213 wrote: HAVs had their run in DUST 514, the player base caught on eventually and had enough SP to invest into AV. Don't bother tanking, unless you got $100 Millions to blow away... They had their run, until infantry realized they couldn't solo intelligent people with ARs and had the nerf train started. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:42:00 - [33] - Quote The legend345 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. If you say so. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 881	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:45:00 - [34] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: The legend345 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. If you say so. Thanks, you just did the DUST community a huge favor and saved a lot of AV's time There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4093	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:46:00 - [35] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The legend345 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. If you say so. Thanks, you just did the DUST community a huge favor and saved a lot of AV's time \Dust will be soooooo boring without vehicles or any kind one of these days. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Godin Thekiller Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 1504	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:47:00 - [36] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right? Some poor sap in a blaster tank tried to take me on with my rail. I let him fire away, I was firing away with my coolant going, then when he sees I'm not going down, he backs off. Big, big mistake against a rail tank. It was easy to just follow him and finish him off. .... SO why were you complaining? because smart blaster pilots like myself knows to keep on charging at you, while dodging? 'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:48:00 - [37] - Quote Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to? You don't have logic, because your logic is "derrrr mass driver can't kill a Gunnlogi in one shot." You were destroyed by a *militia* turret on a dropship. The only time that happens to me is when I've escaped everything AV can throw at me, and there's a dropship like a stubborn mosquito over me still firing. I've survived everything at once. I manage my modules well when the wheel doesn't want to screw me. You manage what, 2 modules? I do 5. Any further skills I could put into vehicles are a nonfactor. The skills you have into vehicles are a poor start. Of course YOU don't see AV as OP, you're incredibly biased against tanks which still maintaining the "I have a Madrugar, that makes me a tanker" line. You probably couldn't afford to run tanks every single match, and nothing but tanks for a whole week. And I don't mean sitting behind the redline, being vulnerable to the odd orb or crazy scout with Lai Dais. I'm talking about being on the front lines, helping your team. I beat tanks in CQC using a rail gun. I don't think you could beat an intelligent tanker using a stock Soma but still having all passive skills using your own tank. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:49:00 - [38] - Quote Atiim wrote: True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to? I'm not hypocritical so can I start talking about OP AV! "All Amarrians are hypocrites in my eyes" But on another note, I could care less if anyone QQ's about AV as long as they base their claim on facts and not situation that only happen once in a lifetime. (Which 99.99999% of the pilot community) It's just that you honestly can't be taken seriously when you cry about Forge Guns on a roof and how easy and cheap the tactic is; just to do literally the exact same thing. I haven't said forge guns need a nerf. I belittle infantry for thinking they're awesome when they're using a weapon that the game aims for them. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 4095	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:50:00 - [39] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right? Some poor sap in a blaster tank tried to take me on with my rail. I let him fire away, I was firing away with my coolant going, then when he sees I'm not going down, he backs off. Big, big mistake against a rail tank. It was easy to just follow him and finish him off. .... SO why were you complaining? because smart blaster pilots like myself knows to keep on charging at you, while dodging? Smart Blaster pilots? There are none. Charge!.....20m! Spam most modules! Maybe Win! Rinse and repeat. Blaster are ruining IMO tank combat. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:51:00 - [40] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The legend345 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. If you say so. Thanks, you just did the DUST community a huge favor and saved a lot of AV's time \Dust will be soooooo boring without vehicles or any kind one of these days. Which is exactly what infantry wants. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:52:00 - [41] - Quote Godin Thekiller wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: Godin Thekiller wrote: ...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right? Some poor sap in a blaster tank tried to take me on with my rail. I let him fire away, I was firing away with my coolant going, then when he sees I'm not going down, he backs off. Big, big mistake against a rail tank. It was easy to just follow him and finish him off. .... SO why were you complaining? because smart blaster pilots like myself knows to keep on charging at you, while dodging? Can't strafe with a tank, dude. You know this. There's dodging swarms with a NOS module active. If you have a lot of room to maneuver, and an active NOS module, then you could go back and forth while keeping the crosshair on the offending tank at all times, if you're good enough. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 883	Posted - 2013.11.12 03:58:00 - [42] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Atiim wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: The legend345 wrote: Spkr4theDead wrote: That is the question. If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear. If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout. Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. If you say so. Thanks, you just did the DUST community a huge favor and saved a lot of AV's time Dust will be soooooo boring without vehicles or any kind one of these days. That's why I don't want them removed from the game completely. Never have and never will. Heck, i'm already mad about LLAVs ADSs, LDSs, and Enforcers getting removed from the game "temporarily". There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry You'll still be useful in my eyes
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1219	Posted - 2013.11.12 04:12:00 - [43] - Quote Atiim wrote: That's why I don't want them removed from the game completely. Never have and never will. Heck, i'm already mad about LLAVs ADSs, LDSs, and Enforcers getting removed from the game "temporarily". No you're not. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 366	Posted - 2013.11.12 04:13:00 - [44] - Quote Christ its like watching kindergartner's fight YA HUH NUH UH munches on popcorn
Gunmouse 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 130	Posted - 2013.11.12 04:14:00 - [45] - Quote Spkr4theDead wrote: Gunmouse wrote: I wouldn't suggest you be a scout. I don't think you have the skills for that. Lol. Lol. In PC, I obviously tank, as that's where my skills are maxed out and I can easily afford enough fits of all the best gear per match, and each fit is the best you'll find in Molden Heath (not tooting my own horn here, there's a handful of fits that work the best and tankers know them like their hands). What makes you think I'd be a bad scout? I'm just giving you a hard time. Scouts are fun, if you want a change of pace go for scout, but the learning curve will be there that is real talk.


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