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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.11 23:50:00 -
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That is the question.
If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear.
If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout.
Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:06:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat.
Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay.
Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:20:00 -
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Vegetation Monster wrote:True Adamance wrote:Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat.
Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. i really wish the large missile turret was like the current turret and i also wish it had shell drop off and long range, i like the drop off because then we dont have to hit the enemy right on, the shell will drop to the ground and do lots of damage with blast radius 450 standard, 575 adv 750 proto.
Drop off could be done when range is measured in miles, not meters.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:30:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:True Adamance wrote:Agreed but not these ridiculous brawler Blaster Tanks....I hate how they ruin HAV combat.
Remove the Damn Large Blaster and just give turrets larger AoE which requires skill to aim and hit your targets but is possible for anti infantry gameplay. Why remove the blaster? If you're using the 1.7 missile against infantry, it's one, maybe 2 dead, then 12 seconds until you can engage one infantryman again. That's not at all worth it. The blaster has just ruined vehicle combat, IMO for what its worth, I don't like the idea of a tank carrying a 50 Cal or the equivalent as its primary weapon, I like the idea of massive ordinance over what should be a lower DPS medium turret weapon. I would rather see us all firing main battle cannons with AoE at medium ranges to get our kills than be within 20 M just brawling like we do now. And for the most part that is all tanking in this game is since we seem to have a massive abundance of Blaster HAV.
It's the best combination of anti vehicle and anti infantry. Missile is laughable most times, and you have to be really, really good to use a rail as anti infantry. Also no small feat to use a rail in a CQC situation against another tank (like I did a little while ago twice).
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:09:00 -
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Gunmouse wrote:I wouldn't suggest you be a scout. I don't think you have the skills for that. 
Lol.
Lol.
In PC, I obviously tank, as that's where my skills are maxed out and I can easily afford enough fits of all the best gear per match, and each fit is the best you'll find in Molden Heath (not tooting my own horn here, there's a handful of fits that work the best and tankers know them like their hands).
What makes you think I'd be a bad scout?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:37:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:That is the question.
If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear.
If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout.
Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH, HAH HAH HAH * Takes deep breath HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH HAH My god spike, they are nerfing AV for you and you are still not happy? They are nerfing swarms range AND damage, they are nerfing forge gun and you still believe tanks are useless? Shows what a terrible tanker you really are!
Do you tank?
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:39:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:
...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right?
Some poor sap in a blaster tank tried to take me on with my rail. I let him fire away, I was firing away with my coolant going, then when he sees I'm not going down, he backs off. Big, big mistake against a rail tank. It was easy to just follow him and finish him off.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:41:00 -
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8213 wrote:HAVs had their run in DUST 514, the player base caught on eventually and had enough SP to invest into AV.
Don't bother tanking, unless you got $100 Millions to blow away...
They had their run, until infantry realized they couldn't solo intelligent people with ARs and had the nerf train started.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:42:00 -
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The legend345 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:That is the question.
If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear.
If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout.
Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it.
If you say so. 
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:48:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:That is the question.
If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear.
If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout.
Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread? I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to?
You don't have logic, because your logic is "derrrr mass driver can't kill a Gunnlogi in one shot."
You were destroyed by a militia turret on a dropship. The only time that happens to me is when I've escaped everything AV can throw at me, and there's a dropship like a stubborn mosquito over me still firing. I've survived everything at once. I manage my modules well when the wheel doesn't want to screw me. You manage what, 2 modules? I do 5. Any further skills I could put into vehicles are a nonfactor. The skills you have into vehicles are a poor start.
Of course YOU don't see AV as OP, you're incredibly biased against tanks which still maintaining the "I have a Madrugar, that makes me a tanker" line. You probably couldn't afford to run tanks every single match, and nothing but tanks for a whole week. And I don't mean sitting behind the redline, being vulnerable to the odd orb or crazy scout with Lai Dais. I'm talking about being on the front lines, helping your team. I beat tanks in CQC using a rail gun. I don't think you could beat an intelligent tanker using a stock Soma but still having all passive skills using your own tank.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:49:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:
Why do you do this to me? Why do make me have to slap you in the face with logic everytime you make a HAV/AV thread?
I've never said that the best of the best should be soloed with MLT gear. Nor has anyone I've ever agreed with
And on another note, should you really be talking about "OP" AV? Do you honestly think a person as hypocritical as yourself has the right to?
I'm not hypocritical so can I start talking about OP AV! "All Amarrians are hypocrites in my eyes"But on another note, I could care less if anyone QQ's about AV as long as they base their claim on facts and not situation that only happen once in a lifetime. (Which 99.99999% of the pilot community) It's just that you honestly can't be taken seriously when you cry about Forge Guns on a roof and how easy and cheap the tactic is; just to do literally the exact same thing.
I haven't said forge guns need a nerf. I belittle infantry for thinking they're awesome when they're using a weapon that the game aims for them.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Spkr4theDead
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:The legend345 wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:That is the question.
If the finalized numbers show that it's not worth it to tank, then I'm not going to tank. Tanks are too weak and AV is just far too powerful for tanks to exist at all. Chromosome was ideal because tanks were 2-shotted by other rail tanks, but that's not good enough for infantry because they want to solo the best with MLT gear.
If I decide not to tank, my decision is in the air between logi, heavy and scout.
Inb4 the anti-vehicle brigade. Dont tank your terrible at it. If you say so. Thanks, you just did the DUST community a huge favor and saved a lot of AV's time \Dust will be soooooo boring without vehicles or any kind one of these days.
Which is exactly what infantry wants.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 03:52:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:Godin Thekiller wrote:
...... You realize that all you have to do is stay back, find me, start firing, and make sure that I don't get close to you, right?
Some poor sap in a blaster tank tried to take me on with my rail. I let him fire away, I was firing away with my coolant going, then when he sees I'm not going down, he backs off. Big, big mistake against a rail tank. It was easy to just follow him and finish him off. .... SO why were you complaining? because smart blaster pilots like myself knows to keep on charging at you, while dodging?
Can't strafe with a tank, dude. You know this. There's dodging swarms with a NOS module active. If you have a lot of room to maneuver, and an active NOS module, then you could go back and forth while keeping the crosshair on the offending tank at all times, if you're good enough.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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Posted - 2013.11.12 04:12:00 -
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Atiim wrote:
That's why I don't want them removed from the game completely. Never have and never will.
Heck, i'm already mad about LLAVs ADSs, LDSs, and Enforcers getting removed from the game "temporarily".
No you're not.
Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
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