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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:48:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:Just tested the overheat bypass. Yes it works, and one other thing I noticed in the video I was scared was the case. After you cancel the animation, you can unload the rest of the mag without it overheating. Video of the test will be posted in the bug submission thread.
It has already been posted in bugs several times.
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ratamaq doc
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.11 03:36:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Just tested the overheat bypass. Yes it works, and one other thing I noticed in the video I was scared was the case. After you cancel the animation, you can unload the rest of the mag without it overheating. Video of the test will be posted in the bug submission thread. It has already been posted in bugs several times.
I did search, but the search feature for this forum suck. Tried SCR + Bypass, Overheat + bypass, Bypass alone etc. Turned up nothing
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:46:00 -
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Wow im worthless compared to this guy |
I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.11.11 04:51:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Just tested the overheat bypass. Yes it works, and one other thing I noticed in the video I was scared was the case. After you cancel the animation, you can unload the rest of the mag without it overheating. Video of the test will be posted in the bug submission thread. It has already been posted in bugs several times. I did search, but the search feature for this forum suck. Tried SCR + Bypass, Overheat + bypass, Bypass alone etc. Turned up nothing
It's not under "bypass"
should have searched scrambler overheat.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:17:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote: WOOOOOOOW, CCP WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING??????
my sentiment......if CCP doesn't think that 175hp reps per second is too much....well, I don't even know what to say. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 05:18:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Alldin Kan wrote: WOOOOOOOW, CCP WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING??????
It's called doing what they should have done a LONG time ago. They put a cap on wp for the repair tool just like they put a cap on your earning potential that all of you proto stompers were complaining about. Us logistics have had to deal with this cap ever since Chromosome to prevent "boosting", and many of us have suggested ways to make the cap better or improve it. Like I've said in a previous post, if they are going to remove the cap the wp gain should be lowered to 15 wp per triage bonus. But don't even try to complain about this. You don't see us logistics complaining about how you killers can just rack up as many points from kills as you want without restriction. There were a few "boosting" instances where eventually CCP had to add a cap to the game, and all of you killers went around the forums yelling at CCP for earning reduced warpoints. You guys had to deal with it for maybe a month at most. We've been dealing with our cap for 6 months to a year. Just let us stretch our logi muscles again and prove that there are more viable ways of playing than using a nokickautomaticsniper with a stacked suit.
lol @ dude qqing that players are killing too much. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 10:17:00 -
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More attention!
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George Moros
Area 514
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Posted - 2013.11.11 11:33:00 -
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7000+ WP 50k+ SP (on a triple SP event)
Cool.
By playing a sniper, I have to do approx. 10 solid matches to grind that kind of SP. Or, I would need to solo-win that domination game with clone depletion by doing (almost) all the kills myself.
The balance in this game is hilarious.
P.S: Yes, I know, nobody gives a flying **** about what some sniper thinks about game balance. We should just be happy with what little we can achieve because we have the almighty redline to protect us. |
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Posted - 2013.11.11 12:30:00 -
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George Moros wrote:7000+ WP 50k+ SP (on a triple SP event) Cool. By playing a sniper, I have to do approx. 10 solid matches to grind that kind of SP. Or, I would need to solo-win that domination game with clone depletion by doing (almost) all the kills myself. The balance in this game is hilarious. P.S: Yes, I know, nobody gives a flying **** about what some sniper thinks about game balance. We should just be happy with what little we can achieve because we have the almighty redline to protect us.
As a sniper you fall into the same category that Heavies do...limited wp potential.
It's also called risk vs reward. As a sniper you risk very little by keeping yourself away from combat, so your reward is limited. At the range you are at, the only thing that can counter you is another sniper.
The heavy on the other hand has to risk a lot, yet still has a low wp potential (only able to earn kills and kill assists) similar to a sniper.
However, a good squad leader who backs up their squad overlooking the area they're defending, putting up defend orders, giving good communication, and pushing the enemy back...that's how the sniper roll should be played best.
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George Moros
Area 514
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:01:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote: As a sniper you fall into the same category that Heavies do...limited wp potential.
It's also called risk vs reward. As a sniper you risk very little by keeping yourself away from combat, so your reward is limited. At the range you are at, the only thing that can counter you is another sniper.
The heavy on the other hand has to risk a lot, yet still has a low wp potential (only able to earn kills and kill assists) similar to a sniper.
However, a good squad leader who backs up their squad overlooking the area they're defending, putting up defend orders, giving good communication, and pushing the enemy back...that's how the sniper roll should be played best.
OK, I'll accept that your "risk vs reward" point makes sense. But, logibro (a true logibro) isn't exactly on the front row either. He's a little behind supporting frontline troops. Yet, match to match, it's logis that earn most WP, and most SP. I mean, did you watch that video? The amount of WP he farms by keeping one guy alive?!?! It's beyond ridiculous.
Just today, someone posted on (yet another) "snipers suck" thread, that snipers are useless because "all they do is kill", and kills mean very little in terms of victory objectives. However, when a logi farms insane amounts of WP by preventing one guy from getting killed, he's what? Making a significant difference on the outcome of the battle?
And how about me removing all those uplinks and nanos from the field? A smartly placed uplink can have a significant impact on the outcome of the battle. However, reward for that is measly 5 WP. LOL.
You're right about one thing though... heavies are getting shafted even more than snipers.
And sorry for the rage. |
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Alldin Kan
Imperfects Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:24:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Alldin Kan wrote: WOOOOOOOW, CCP WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING??????
It's called doing what they should have done a LONG time ago. They put a cap on wp for the repair tool just like they put a cap on your earning potential that all of you proto stompers were complaining about. Us logistics have had to deal with this cap ever since Chromosome to prevent "boosting", and many of us have suggested ways to make the cap better or improve it. Like I've said in a previous post, if they are going to remove the cap the wp gain should be lowered to 15 wp per triage bonus. But don't even try to complain about this. You don't see us logistics complaining about how you killers can just rack up as many points from kills as you want without restriction. There were a few "boosting" instances where eventually CCP had to add a cap to the game, and all of you killers went around the forums yelling at CCP for earning reduced warpoints. You guys had to deal with it for maybe a month at most. We've been dealing with our cap for 6 months to a year. Just let us stretch our logi muscles again and prove that there are more viable ways of playing than using a nokickautomaticsniper with a stacked suit. No, sorry, I played with a Logi vk.1 back on chromosome and aside from the unnecessarily high speed and maneuverability, the rep tools never needed a buff as the HP/s rep was fine and the WP gained from it too since I was doing other logi stuff. This buff to rep tools together with the addition of core focused in Uprising is plain stupid and should've never happened. Yet you actually wrote to post in my quote as if it were somewhat ok to gain 7000 WP in a match. This preposterous WP gain leaves so much room for exploit and PRO Rep tools as it is now gives God Mode to infantry, this isn't balance.
CCP, promoting exploits with every update
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Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.11 14:50:00 -
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George Moros wrote:OK, I'll accept that your "risk vs reward" point makes sense. But, logibro (a true logibro) isn't exactly on the front row either. He's a little behind supporting frontline troops. Yet, match to match, it's logis that earn most WP, and most SP. I mean, did you watch that video? The amount of WP he farms by keeping one guy alive?!?! It's beyond ridiculous. Just today, someone posted on (yet another) "snipers suck" thread, that snipers are useless because "all they do is kill", and kills mean very little in terms of victory objectives. However, when a logi farms insane amounts of WP by preventing one guy from getting killed, he's what? Making a significant difference on the outcome of the battle? And how about me removing all those uplinks and nanos from the field? A smartly placed uplink can have a significant impact on the outcome of the battle. However, reward for that is measly 5 WP. LOL. You're right about one thing though... heavies are getting shafted even more than snipers. And sorry for the rage.
Well in that special case he made a difference. He keeps one guy alive and earns nearly three orbitals on his own. Apart from that he resuplied the team on the frontline and saved some clones by reviving his teammates. That is a lot of support for one guy.
If I remember correctly we dominated the match from the beginning well until his squad started to rain hell on us by 8 orbitals, that and the support on the frontline enabled his team to hold A long enough that they nearly were able to win the match. In fact it was pure luck that we were able to clone them out.
Regarding the risk vs reward thing although he was slightly behind the direct frontline he puts himself in danger of incoming fire. If thats enough to justify the possible WP income is another story.
But I have to say well played :) |
George Moros
Area 514
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:00:00 -
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Korvin Lomont wrote: Well in that special case he made a difference. He keeps one guy alive and earns nearly three orbitals on his own. Apart from that he resuplied the team on the frontline and saved some clones by reviving his teammates. That is a lot of support for one guy.
If I remember correctly we dominated the match from the beginning well until his squad started to rain hell on us by 8 orbitals, that and the support on the frontline enabled his team to hold A long enough that they nearly were able to win the match. In fact it was pure luck that we were able to clone them out.
Regarding the risk vs reward thing although he was slightly behind the direct frontline he puts himself in danger of incoming fire. If thats enough to justify the possible WP income is another story.
But I have to say well played :)
He played a fantastic game, there's no arguing about that.
My point is that, in a well balanced game, there's no way a logi could alone earn 3 orbitals to his team by dropping nanos/uplinks and shamelessly farming WP by repping one guy. The reward for repping alone is insanely high. Combine that with injectors, uplinks and nanos, and you get an ultimate WP farming machine.
That's broken game mechanics and it will be abused even more in the future. |
Zlocha
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.11 16:21:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Alldin Kan wrote: WOOOOOOOW, CCP WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING??????
It's called doing what they should have done a LONG time ago. They put a cap on wp for the repair tool just like they put a cap on your earning potential that all of you proto stompers were complaining about. Us logistics have had to deal with this cap ever since Chromosome to prevent "boosting", and many of us have suggested ways to make the cap better or improve it. Like I've said in a previous post, if they are going to remove the cap the wp gain should be lowered to 15 wp per triage bonus. But don't even try to complain about this. You don't see us logistics complaining about how you killers can just rack up as many points from kills as you want without restriction. There were a few "boosting" instances where eventually CCP had to add a cap to the game, and all of you killers went around the forums yelling at CCP for earning reduced warpoints. You guys had to deal with it for maybe a month at most. We've been dealing with our cap for 6 months to a year. Just let us stretch our logi muscles again and prove that there are more viable ways of playing than using a nokickautomaticsniper with a stacked suit. No, sorry, I played with a Logi vk.1 back on chromosome and aside from the unnecessarily high speed and maneuverability, the rep tools never needed a buff as the HP/s rep was fine and the WP gained from it too since I was doing other logi stuff. This buff to rep tools together with the addition of core focused in Uprising is plain stupid and should've never happened. Yet you actually wrote to post in my quote as if it were somewhat ok to gain 7000 WP in a match. This preposterous WP gain leaves so much room for exploit and PRO Rep tools as it is now gives God Mode to infantry, this isn't balance.
You know nothing Jon Snow!
Just go play COD. DUST514 should never be just about killing. Whoever did what this guy did, deserves the 7k. The repair tools are just where they need to be. Maybe slightly put a cap on wp earned per minute. CCP should reintroduce the bars also for those that wish to see them.
If you see logis making people immortal, deal with them. I am glad that i see that more and more tactics are rising every day. Tanking mercs should defo be an option and will add a whole another dimension to the game.
Just wait for the resistance modules :DDD
Logis should always be able to earn more WP than people who shoot. It is way more difficult to play such a game than shooting around. |
I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.11.12 00:47:00 -
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Alldin Kan wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Alldin Kan wrote: WOOOOOOOW, CCP WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU DOING??????
It's called doing what they should have done a LONG time ago. Like I've said in a previous post, if they are going to remove the cap the wp gain should be lowered to 15 wp per triage bonus. No, sorry, I played with a Logi vk.1 back on chromosome and aside from the unnecessarily high speed and maneuverability, the rep tools never needed a buff as the HP/s rep was fine and the WP gained from it too since I was doing other logi stuff. This buff to rep tools together with the addition of core focused in Uprising is plain stupid and should've never happened. Yet you actually wrote to post in my quote as if it were somewhat ok to gain 7000 WP in a match. This preposterous WP gain leaves so much room for exploit and PRO Rep tools as it is now gives God Mode to infantry, this isn't balance.
Well first of all, the Proto repair tools do not give out god mode, and the core focused cannot heal faster than one can punch bullets in...and you have to work hard at keeping within 10 meters of that ally just to make them have that kind of repair.
Second, did you even read my post? I stated specifically that I didn't even know they had removed the cap before this match (This was the very first match I played that night), and that if it's possible to gain this much wp this easily now, the wp bonus should be reduced back to what it was in the closed beta (i.e. 15 wp per triage)
Third, this is by no means a form of exploit. I am not using the repair tool in a way that is unintended in order to gain bonuses for myself in an unfair way. Getting 7k wp in a match was a RARE thing as the next 4 matches I played only scored me an average of 3500 wp per match using this method (which is something I do on a regular basis anyways). I did not plan for this to happen, I did not try to earn wp. I simply played the game and helped my team like I normally did back in chromosome.
Fourth, I AGREE with you that there is something wrong with 7k wp in a match, BUT you need to remember that players hardly ever use repair tools anymore because of the effectiveness of other things like scanners. Give it some time, and if there are more incidents of players gaining massive amounts of wp like this we can alert CCP to do something. _____________________________________
As of right now, it takes a lot of teamwork, cooperation, communication, dedication, and skill points to be able to do something like what I did in my video. This was not achieved easily.
-There was constant communication in squad chat -He let me know when he needed ammo, reps, cover, etc. -I let him know where the enemies are, my status, if we needed to retreat or push, etc. -Our entire squad was covering our back -We had a dedicated heavy/forge to take out any vehicle threats if they arrised -This was a PERFECT SCENARIO (i.e. bridge map, high concentration of players, lots of incoming fire, lots of wp potential in one small area) -I was constantly being shot at and had to keep my eye out for cover to stay in, enemies sneaking up behind us, making sure I wasn't dying, all while constantly flipping around to look at allies health bars and taking out my scanner every once in a while. -I was risking a 150k suit that was focused on repair and support, with hardly any means of defending myself.
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Axyu83TX
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:14:00 -
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True Story xDD
PS.
CCP - please reply/refer to Xi Vi post - its at page 4 I believe. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
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Posted - 2013.11.12 05:36:00 -
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Were you getting Guardian points for repping the guy dropping the OB? If so, that's kinda lame. Otherwise, awesome match. |
Axyu83TX
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.12 06:59:00 -
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Thor McStrut wrote:Were you getting Guardian points for repping the guy dropping the OB? If so, that's kinda lame. Otherwise, awesome match.
As squad leader is voulnerable during casting OB - its not lame that logi is gettin WP for guarding him. Think about it this way! |
Axyu83TX
Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:34:00 -
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YO - any attention to this from CCP?
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:36:00 -
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Axyu83TX wrote:YO - any attention to this from CCP?
What do you mean? About the video? The things I did in the video?
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Axyu83TX
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Posted - 2013.11.13 19:38:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Axyu83TX wrote:YO - any attention to this from CCP?
What do you mean? About the video? The things I did in the video?
Will CCP fix the things described by Xi Vi few posts earlier...
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I-Shayz-I
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:00:00 -
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Axyu83TX wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:Axyu83TX wrote:YO - any attention to this from CCP?
What do you mean? About the video? The things I did in the video? Will CCP fix the things described by Xi Vi few posts earlier...
Pretty sure most of them are being worked on with fixes coming for 1.7/1.8
If you read the weekly feedback/suggestions most of them have been put on the backlog of things to do.
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XEROO COOL
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:06:00 -
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F all the haters Shayz. I am not a logi but I can appreciate a good one! Well played Sir... you have newberries everywhere skilling into rep tools now!
Everyone has a plan until you punch em in the face!
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Posted - 2013.11.13 20:17:00 -
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XEROO COOL wrote:F all the haters Shayz. I am not a logi but I can appreciate a good one! Well played Sir... you have newberries everywhere skilling into rep tools now!
I've had people message me in-game asking me how to do this because they aren't getting the same results as I was.
WELL NO ****.
It's not like that game was a walk in the park or something. Sure if you have the right ingredients you can earn a high amount of wp, but that one match had all of the perfect components in it for it to happen. I've played at least 10 other matches doing the exact same thing and only ever managed to get about 4-4.5k tops.
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WAR-MONGER SLAUGHTER
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Posted - 2013.11.13 21:31:00 -
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[quote=I-Shayz-I]EDIT: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9OUEQFfao0&feature=youtube_gdata_player
The amount of wp I just earned in a match as a logibro. And I was recording too ^^
Yeah, be jealous :D
My previous record was 4382, and that was back in Chromosome.
quote] lol... good job . I have a pic of someone getting 21000+ wp in 1 game ..
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