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Sentinels of New Eden
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:44:00 -
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I've used HMG's for a month strait without switching classes and playing everyday! I fully skilled into the HMG because i love that type of weaponry, but it didn't take long to figure out that ALL the HMG's (even with complex damage mods on) are almost defensless against the militia AR's or worse the Proto AR's. I've come up with some specs to form a forum petition board to get these specs or something similar into action with your HELP! If CCP knows that we HEAVIES are unsatisfied by the nerfs and that a right niche has NOT been found yet, hopefully we can 'WILL' this into existence.
I've found that the optimal range of HMG's (meaning a range that you actually have a chance of winning a fire fight that you have the element of surprise on) is 30m. Beyond that like 40m is a joke aaaand you'll be dead in a heartbeat. Also the damage that the HMG's do, lets face it, is NOT enough. If your in a firefight with a prototype AR or LR you WILL die almost instantly. It doesn't matter that your a heavy with 600 Shield/Armor when they do 1,000 damage in 2 sec.(No exaggeration, seriously) I remember when in the Beta I fought Sentinels and it took all I had,grenades 'n' all, to bring (1) down! Now that was EPIC! Back then, each class had a flavor of its own and it was AWESOME! Now ALL the classes are starting to blend together with almost no 'significant' reason to skill into each one. I know this will all be worked out one day but please please please let me know what you think in the comments below and if you like this, then share with your friends to spread the word across this new universe we all have grown to love: New Eden.
The range for the Adv. MH-82 should be the range of the Mo-4. The range of the Mo-4 should be the range of Advanced AR's. The Range of the Boundless HMG should be the range of assault Duvolls. The Range of the Freedom HMG should be the Max range of tactical assault rifles. The damage of Adv. HMG'S increased by 2.00 and the damage of prototype HMG's increased by 4.00. (Using the current base damage of Uprising 1.6) Don't nerf the Light weapons, just make the HMG's stand a fighting chance against them. And increase the base Shield/Armor of Sentinels to 2,000/1,000 respectively. And bring us Gallente Heavy Dropsuits please:) And thank you! I'm speaking for the Heavies, the neglected class in Dust 514. |
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Grade No.2
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Posted - 2013.11.09 10:52:00 -
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I'll just leave this here... http://t.co/zvUwbINBPK
As a fellow AR Victim...
I don't think I'll ever be using Shotguns and now HMGs ever again in this game. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:32:00 -
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The HMG is useless, it has **** range and even worse damage.
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Logi Bro
Greatness Achieved Through Training
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:43:00 -
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The ranges that you are proposing are utterly ridiculous, this is coming from a part-time heavy.
Under no circumstances should an HMG outrange an AR. This may sound OP to you, but you would certainly never say that shotguns should have the range of say, a scrambler pistol. The HMG range is perfect where it is, but where it fails is not its own fault, but rather the OPness of the AR.
To balance HMG's, ALL ARs need twice the hipfire dispersion they have now, their maximum range needs to be only slightly greater than their optimal, and the rate that recoil builds up needs to be increased.
EDIT: I didn't read past the suggested ranges before posting this, but now that I've read everything I feel that I've fallen into a huge troll thread. I mean, 2,000 shields and 1,000 armor? There are HAVs with less eHP.
Been Logistics since before it was cool.
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Himiko Kuronaga
The Generals
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:48:00 -
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CCP does not care about fat people. |
Awesome Pantaloons
Tech Guard
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:54:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP does not care about fat people.
This. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.11.10 21:59:00 -
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every weapon is situational, but the imbalance within the ar tree is a problem for every weapon.
let's hope 1.7 has some necessary changes.
indoors the hmg is a monster. |
Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:08:00 -
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Logi Bro wrote:
Under no circumstances should an HMG outrange an AR. This may sound OP to you, but you would certainly never say that shotguns should have the range of say, a scrambler pistol.
Statements like these makes me wanna puke as an weapon enthusiast.
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Stinker Butt
Pure Innocence.
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.10 22:19:00 -
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In early closed beta, if you ran into a heavy alone, you were f*****! I could take on 3 mercs at once without too much trouble. I loved to watch Exmaple Core defend a point solo for the entire match.
those days are long gone. now it takes a proto heavy to beat adv assault 1v1, or a sneak attack. with this alleged buff that heavies just received to their hp, i don't even have time to turn around if someone is hitting me from behind.
I'd love to have the original role of the heavy back, but there were a lot of QQ threads at the time, so that's unlikely to happen. I'd settle for a tighter spread of the hmg and a little more range. I'm still having fun with my forge - haven't even noticed the nerf to that, but I rarely fight infantry with it. |
Goro Scornshard
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:26:00 -
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I know plenty of people ridicule this but does anyone think it's worth using a light weapon with a heavy?
A Minmatar in an Amarr suit.
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:51:00 -
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Heavies are dead. Spec into medium suits and a light weapon of your choice. DUST went from being a "diverse game" or "RPG" to being just about 1 class, 1 weapon, 1 playstyle.
I'm glad more and more threads about heavies are popping up, but when I started to talk about the weakness of heavies and the shitstorm that was coming, I got but a little support. Only a few other heavies saw it coming, and now here we are. It's too late. Heavies sat back too long and said nothing about it, or didn't have the foresight to realize what was going to happen.
CCP isn't going to do anything, as you can tell by the "buff" the suit got...that's their answer to the pile of poop the class has become... adding 150 HP 
I swear, devs don't play their own game. Maybe they do, but I bet most play Assault because even they know the heavy is crap.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
4451
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:52:00 -
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Goro Scornshard wrote:I know plenty of people ridicule this but does anyone think it's worth using a light weapon with a heavy?
why? Gallente medium tanked + Duvolle >>>>>> heavy HMG. Hell, a Caldari shield tanking + Duvolle >>>>>> heavy HMG.
There's literally no advantage to using a heavy suit over a medium suit anymore.
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.11.11 00:59:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP does not care about fat people.
......!
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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VAHZZ
The dyst0pian Corporation
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:11:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:CCP does not care about fat people.
They care more than they care about us Scouts - or - "Skinnies"
The merc with a mouth - beware of random bouts of insanity!
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Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact
Cult of War
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:12:00 -
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I was with you up until the point you said " forum petition" then i just rolled my eyes...
For the Empire!
Dual tanking is a sin.
Well fuck me I can say fuck in my sig, who knew?
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Powerh8er
Norwegian Dust514 Corporation
Top Men.
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Posted - 2013.11.11 01:36:00 -
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Instead of actually try to fix and balance this game, ccp ends up taking shortcuts, it either a nerf or a buff.
And the Hp buff for heavies i knew from the announcement it was gonna be a joke, its the biggest and slowest guy on the battlefield, he doesnt need more hp he needs more firepower or atleast a proper ranged weapon.
It says on wikipedia that most of ccp's employers have an higher education, im guessing an higher education in Iceland doesnt involve much math.
On my assault alt i annihilate heavies in cqc with an std suit with a bpo smg for christ sake, if i dont melt them from 20 - 30 meters away first with my assault rifle that is. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
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Posted - 2013.11.11 02:31:00 -
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Engaged this subject too often lately to provide a productive post.
Check out my thread in Feedback/Requests [Request/Petition] HMG Sharpshooter Skill. Particularly posts #1 and #27, for the full spiel.
(Quick summary; Dispersion should be corrected and furthermore scaled significantly across the tiers, of all atuo-fire weapons. Heavy suits need a slight tweak to accommodate currently available skills.)
Cheeseburgers.
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