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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:36:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:May a tear be shed for my brothers imprisoned and tortured by the Gallente Federation.
It is a sad shame that many are under the illusion that all of any race can be pure of heart. The ignorance of people who believe this sickens me to the core.
While I do hope that one day all four empires will endure a period of Pax Aeterna, I fear that this day will outlast even the life of mine, which is said to be immortal.
However, I refuse to sit here and lie to myself and say "The Gallente are evil by nature and the Caldari State is the embodiment of all that is holy and pure". For all races, all empires, and all bloodlines have all inflicted great suffering on others at one point in their existence. Even through millennia of technological and social advancements our human nature will never change. We are all cursed to live in a cycle of pain, anguish, harm, and suffering. I did not state that either, though the meaning of my original state me was clear it seems not all Gallenteans have even registered in mentally yet.
I am referring to the people who say, "Oh the Gallente are nice and pure" or "Oh the Caldar and Amarr are so evil"
I was not referencing you in my speech.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3980
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:40:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Poor treatment of mortals?
Hypocrit, much?
The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
Do not waste your time kind woman, for the Amarr do not consider Matri to be human.
This is not true.
Some Amarr are traditionalists who would venerate the old ways of our people, blood, conquest, and brutality in the name of the Faith.
Others and increasingly more so in recent years look to new ways to spread the Faith. Conquest is a double edges sword, effective in most circumstances but wounds taken in battle slowly heal.
These newer reformists as I would call them are more and more outspoken in the opinion that slavery is not necessarily the answer or the most efficient way to achieve spiritual enlightenment, and though I shall do as I am instructed by my superiors I do it with earthly regret, since no act in the name of God is to be regretted.
You say that I do not think the Matari are human? Then you do not know me, and that is an opinion I have the power to change.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
711
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:44:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Poor treatment of mortals?
Hypocrit, much?
The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
Do not waste your time kind woman, for the Amarr do not consider Matri to be human. This is not true. Some Amarr are traditionalists who would venerate the old ways of our people, blood, conquest, and brutality in the name of the Faith. Others and increasingly more so in recent years look to new ways to spread the Faith. Conquest is a double edges sword, effective in most circumstances but wounds taken in battle slowly heal. You say that I do not think the Matari are human? Then you do not know me, and that is an opinion I have the power to change.
Again, I wasn't referencing you. Maybe I'll put up a disclaimer next time
[OOC]
I'm betting 100k ISK that this gets moved to the Intergalactic Summit at some point in time
And if you could link your bio, I'd appreciate it. (Assuming you have one)
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3980
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:47:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Poor treatment of mortals?
Hypocrit, much?
The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
Do not waste your time kind woman, for the Amarr do not consider Matri to be human. This is not true. Some Amarr are traditionalists who would venerate the old ways of our people, blood, conquest, and brutality in the name of the Faith. Others and increasingly more so in recent years look to new ways to spread the Faith. Conquest is a double edges sword, effective in most circumstances but wounds taken in battle slowly heal. You say that I do not think the Matari are human? Then you do not know me, and that is an opinion I have the power to change. Again, I wasn't referencing you. Maybe I'll put up a disclaimer next time [OOC] I'm betting 100k ISK that this gets moved to the Intergalactic Summit at some point in time And if you could link your bio, I'd appreciate it. (Assuming you have one)
(( I do have one, its currently being revised, not greatly the base is still there, just the scenery changing for a more immersive view of Kador's Life. You can find it in the Fiction Section of the forums under character Bios....but Demel wouldn't let me finish it because just the summary is about 6 posts long.))
I know you do not reference me, I am amongst the latter of the Amarr. Religious to my core, but to a Reclaimer in nature. I am bound to the Sarum, and venerate Heideran as one of the greatest emperors of the Amarr.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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R'adeh Hunt
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
474
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:51:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. Gallente are angels compared to Amarrians. Those guys are EVE's version of the Taliban. Actually its almost the other way around. But with the religious people being the victims, if you count the Minmatar that is.
What? 
Amarrians justify slavery and their atrocities through their religion. How on earth can you claim they're the victims??? |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3980
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:53:00 -
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R'adeh Hunt wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. Gallente are angels compared to Amarrians. Those guys are EVE's version of the Taliban. Actually its almost the other way around. But with the religious people being the victims, if you count the Minmatar that is. What? Amarrians justify slavery and their atrocities through their religion. How on earth can you claim they're the victims???
The don't consider it an atrocity, it is a necessary part of life if one is to come to spiritual awakening.
Though they had enslaved the Minmatar, much of the aggression between the empires does not come from the Amarr, but the vengeful Minmatar.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
61
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:15:00 -
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Shane Darko wrote:I F&@&*@ NEW IT.
LOL this whole thing is kinda funny, & they said The Amarr are bad.... still then again this should be looked into more not sure where I stand on this just yet. |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
61
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:45:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Dammit you beat me to it. True is playing a very old political game that is easily countered as you just did. +1 Hardly, I am not interested in tit for tat politics, you did this to me so I did this to you. (( I was researching Caldari Prison Systems...and found this)) Such strikes a chord with me. I cannot forgive the poor treatment of mortals. Poor treatment of mortals? Hypocrit, much? The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
Incorrect, The Amarr view it as spiritual enlightenment & The Amarr also see it more as indentured servitude. They also treat them with high respect (my referance to that is a Amarr bloodline choice) although they have ways to keep the.... servitude intac they do not go to the length The Gallente did nor would The Amarrian faith permit it.
Also you forget that Empress Jamyl freed millions of Minmitar servants. Also The Caldari created the "Former Slave training program" which aids former servants make it in life on behalf of The Amarr. The Amarr also sent a large care package to The Caldari to aid they're economy the care package also went on to help such programs as the "Former Slave Training program" & lastly during a incident or something (it started with a 'S') The Gallente were hurt greatly & The Amarr sent another care package to them to aid in the after-math of the incident. |
Waruiko DUST
G I A N T
EoN.
137
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:45:00 -
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Minmatar is Israel
Caldari is the Tea Party and GOP
Galente is French Canada
Amarr is the Catholic Church
If blood and sweat don't teach them perhaps time will
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Our Deepest Regret
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
307
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:51:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
The don't consider it an atrocity, it is a necessary part of life if one is to come to spiritual awakening.
Either way this is not relevant to the context of the discussion.
" Please stop pointing out the various atrocities my culture has inflicted while I am busy pointing out an atrocity this culture over here has inflicted. That is not how the game is played." |
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
62
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:53:00 -
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Also the Minmitar are not perfect either prior to Empress Jamyl becoming Empress the Minmitar Elder Fleet attacked a CONCORD warning station & base. After doing so they attacked multiple Amarr world's mass murdering any & all Amarrian on sight & freeing slaves. But Jamyl showed up unexpectedly (as she was thought to be dead) & stopped The Minmitar Elder fleet by literally calling down the thumb of god with some apocalypse's & great ship's. After that she was made Empress.
Also do not forget a fleet of Minmitar attacked The Gallente over a Minmitar Bruton who was accused of killing multiple Gallente people & The Minmitar called it obvious self defense but none the less they attacked The Gallente
& do not forget Minmitar think sometimes The Gallente are just using them. |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
62
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:57:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:XANDER KAG wrote:R'adeh Hunt wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. Gallente are angels compared to Amarrians. Those guys are EVE's version of the Taliban. Actually its almost the other way around. But with the religious people being the victims. R'adeh you know so little about this universe and you suggestion that the Amarr are like and Islamic religious extremist group (call them what you will) is so ignorant it is like a slap in the face that reminds me why this game is so shallow. You gave no time to even learn what the Amarr are or do. Please do us all a favour and keep your freedom loving mouth shut unless you have something informed to say.
*Like times 9000*
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
62
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Posted - 2013.11.08 00:57:00 -
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Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. There is no such thing as prisoners of war anymore... They just die and clone spawn back to base.
That's if they die & not all are clones anyway |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
63
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:00:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shall we add the part where Gallentean worlds were sold off to the highest bidder, including the people on them, for 'harvesting'? Shall we talk about where your people bombed the Caldari homeworld, and have not since returned it. Either way Arkena those worlds belonged primarily to the Intaki, not the ethnic Gallente ( according to what I know)
Getting tired of liking your good points True Adamance XD but keep them up, atleast they're researched & sensible |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3985
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:05:00 -
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Our Deepest Regret wrote:True Adamance wrote:
The don't consider it an atrocity, it is a necessary part of life if one is to come to spiritual awakening.
Either way this is not relevant to the context of the discussion.
" Please stop pointing out the various atrocities my culture has inflicted while I am busy pointing out an atrocity this culture over here has inflicted. That is not how the game is played."
The original comment was intended to spark discussion about the Caldari and Gallentean plights, not about that of the empire, had I wished to be inclusive of the empire or exclusive of Caldari and Gallente when in discussion about our plights I would have made a comment about my own people.
As such the discussion is constantly being pushed off track.
However if you wish to discuss the Amarr I am always happy to do so, just not here or now, as it undermines the point of the original comment.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3985
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:06:00 -
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Vinsarrow wrote:Also the Minmitar are not perfect either prior to Empress Jamyl becoming Empress the Minmitar Elder Fleet attacked a CONCORD warning station & base. After doing so they attacked multiple Amarr world's mass murdering any & all Amarrian on sight & freeing slaves. But Jamyl showed up unexpectedly (as she was thought to be dead) & stopped The Minmitar Elder fleet by literally calling down the thumb of god with some apocalypse's & great ship's. After that she was made Empress.
Also do not forget a fleet of Minmitar attacked The Gallente over a Minmitar Bruton who was accused of killing multiple Gallente people & The Minmitar called it obvious self defense but none the less they attacked The Gallente
& do not forget Minmitar think sometimes The Gallente are just using them.
Again please refrain from comments about the Empire of Republic, they are not within the context of this discussion.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Joel II X
AHPA
91
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:07:00 -
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Lolwar |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
63
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:35:00 -
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LOL all of them brutal till the 1 part in The Amarr 1, little pink teddy bears saying "we wuv u" dear god the horrors are infinite their.... next then you know we employ Honey Boo Boo & Miley to do the torturing |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
Public Disorder.
1197
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Kahn Zo wrote:Oh, do not believe everything that you read. Please. I'm surprised a Gallentean has the balls to say that to me as only 2 players have ever dug deeper into Amarr histories to actually make informed opinions on them.
Oh i have dug deep. And years before Jamyl Sarum's vile Templar experiments were even imagined.
But there are things in this life that cannot be salvaged. It is not for me or my generation to forgive.
In the years to come, when all the children of Pator and Matar have been liberated, those generations born into freedom may choose to forgive.....and forget.
And in time there is no doubt that finer sensibilities will regard myself and my brothers-and-sisters-in-arms as broken heroes, as monsters. It is meet and just that this comes to pass.
Your affectation of high-minded sensibility towards the Gallente is laughable - it is no different than the perfumed and braided coats of Sarum's slaver hounds. It is artistic adornment on a slavering beast. The filth you spew will deceive only the innocent, Adamance.
But we older Matari will not forget and we did not choose immortality to learn forgiveness, Ammarian.
The best you can hope for is never-ending death at our hands. The best you can pray for is oblivion and the forgiveness of children. |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
75
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Posted - 2013.11.08 01:49:00 -
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I'll take a Caldari Jail bird, I've heard the Civire females take it up the ass.
I can has ISK
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Alaika Arbosa
Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc.
Interstellar Murder of Crows
1070
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:00:00 -
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Can't forget what they did to Karin...
Praise St. Arzad and Pass the Nanohives....
Martyr for the Republic
Executing Amarr Trash since Closed Beta
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3989
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:00:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:True Adamance wrote:Kahn Zo wrote:Oh, do not believe everything that you read. Please. I'm surprised a Gallentean has the balls to say that to me as only 2 players have ever dug deeper into Amarr histories to actually make informed opinions on them. Oh i have dug deep. And years before Jamyl Sarum's vile Templar experiments were even imagined. But there are things in this life that cannot be salvaged. It is not for me or my generation to forgive. In the years to come, when all the children of Pator and Matar have been liberated, those generations born into freedom may choose to forgive.....and forget. And in time there is no doubt that finer sensibilities will regard myself and my brothers-and-sisters-in-arms as broken heroes, as monsters. It is meet and just that this comes to pass. Your affectation of high-minded sensibility towards the Gallente is laughable - it is no different than the perfumed and braided coats of Sarum's slaver hounds. It is artistic adornment on a slavering beast. The filth you spew will deceive only the innocent, Adamance. But we older Matari will not forget and we did not choose immortality to learn forgiveness, Ammarian. The best you can hope for is never-ending death at our hands. The best you can pray for is oblivion and the forgiveness of children.
This is why your people will never know peace.... you broach war to lightly, conflict is in you nature. Before us you warred against and enslaved one another, before us you had no Republic, before us you were scatters and in disunion.
Our mere influence in your histories irrevocably changed your peoples course into the stars.
Again you speak as if you know me, you do not, you have not bothered to understand me as I try to understand you.
And as previously stated many times this discussion is not one of my own personal empire though it most certainly could be. This is a statement to all who know the Gallente as the champions of civil liberties as failing themselves.
There is no reason for them to treat Caldari POWs so by simply comparing themselves to the Amarr or the other Empires. This is their issue and an issue that I find morally reprehensible, as I am sure any Gallentean might as well.
AGAIN I have to reiterate this. If people wish to discuss the Amarr and Minmatar I am happy to do so, just not here and not now.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3989
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:01:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:I'll take a Caldari Jail bird, I've heard the Civire females take it up the ass.
If only I could hunt you down scum.
No human being deserves what those POW's had done to them.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
68
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters.
its all false. its just caldari propaganda to make us look bad.......... HOW MANY OF OUR GALLENTE FEMALES DID YOU **** ON CALDARI PRIME WHILE YOU OCCUPIED IT! |
Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
64
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:05:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. its all false. its just caldari propaganda to make us look bad.......... HOW MANY OF OUR GALLENTE FEMALES DID YOU **** ON CALDARI PRIME WHILE YOU OCCUPIED IT!
lol you do realise that it's Caldari PRIME why would Gallentean's be their unless they wanted to be ther & were welcome - EPIC FAIL LOL |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3989
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:06:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. its all false. its just caldari propaganda to make us look bad.......... HOW MANY OF OUR GALLENTE FEMALES DID YOU **** ON CALDARI PRIME WHILE YOU OCCUPIED IT!
....That is a crass and rather baseless accusation. Do you have accounts to back this up?
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Godin Thekiller
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
1454
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:08:00 -
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Wait, why are we even worrying about it? We don't do this **** to each other (although I do keep a few drugged up bitches in my MQ, although they have free rain to leave anytime the y want). It's all the mortals doing this ****. Why are we arguring over the mortals's bullshit?
'lights cigar' fuck with me, and I'll melt your face off. Gallente forever!
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Vinsarrow
New Eden Blades Of The Azure
64
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:08:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:I'll take a Caldari Jail bird, I've heard the Civire females take it up the ass. If only I could hunt you down scum. No human being deserves what those POW's had done to them.
I'll join you, might even offer a 2 million ISK reward to whoever kills him the most possibly extra ISK for them if they saw & killed him while he was in a pricey proto. fit (Still thinking it over though) |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3989
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:11:00 -
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Godin Thekiller wrote:Wait, why are we even worrying about it? We don't do this **** to each other (although I do keep a few drugged up bitches in my MQ, although they have free rain to leave anytime the y want). It's all the mortals doing this ****. Why are we arguring over the mortals's bullshit?
They are who we once were, they are who made us, and defined us, they are the truly immortal for their acts have great significance than our own.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Oswald Rehnquist
481
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Posted - 2013.11.08 02:12:00 -
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The Caldari already know that Gallenteans are two faced, so this particular incident is not unexpected, while such acts are tragic, the bigger picture is still the crime committed over Caldari Prime
The Gallenteans are also thy most dishonest race, every other race has motives and are open about them, the Gallenteans are the only ones who lie to themselves about theirs.
Below 28 dB
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