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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
2645
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:43:00 -
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Dammit you beat me to it.
True is playing a very old political game that is easily countered as you just did.
+1
The newer the berry the dumber the juice.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3975
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:44:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. There is no such thing as prisoners of war anymore... They just die and clone spawn back to base. This refers to the Mortals, we are not allowed on conventional battlefields, and are only used to counter the other side picking using us.
And in such context this act is morally reprehensible.
If it were myself this would not matter, I could withstand it, and I would choose to endure it over a mortal.... but to do this to those who could die.... is beyond my capacity for mercy....though I have no delusions about my own people housing POWs....
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4704
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:45:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shall we add the part where Gallentean worlds were sold off to the highest bidder, including the people on them, for 'harvesting'? Shall we talk about where your people bombed the Caldari homeworld, and have not since returned it. Either way Arkena those worlds belonged primarily to the Intaki, not the ethnic Gallente ( according to what I know)
This is a whole chain of events. If you're going to talk about the bombardment of Caldari prime, you might want to mention that they razed an entire city, to a man, completely. Every single person in Nouvelle Rouvenor died. No survivors. Oh, you can blame that on terrorist groups, but that was the catalyst for the Gallente-Caldari war.
And what does it matter which precise ethnicity was victimised by the Caldari, if they're still Gallente? The Intaki people have their own identity, but they are still a part of the Federation. So, how does those people being Intaki Gallenteans rather than ethnic Gallenteans make any difference?
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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DeadlyAztec11
Gallente Federation
2403
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:45:00 -
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They probably deserved it.
Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3975
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:45:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Dammit you beat me to it. True is playing a very old political game that is easily countered as you just did. +1
Hardly, I am not interested in tit for tat politics, you did this to me so I did this to you.
(( I was researching Caldari Prison Systems...and found this))
Such strikes a chord with me. I cannot forgive the poor treatment of mortals.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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XANDER KAG
Red Star.
EoN.
451
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Crash Monster wrote:One word... Vitoc. I am not talking about my people here though if you want to bring it up in context I believe it was a Caldari who supplied the antidote to Vitoc to the Matari free of charge.....
Isn't the Insorium Vaccine OOC? If not then Otro Gariushi will forever be remembered as a great man for that.
If it is then, he was still the only Caldari public figure trying to stop the current Gallente-Caldari war.
Who says you can't kill in style?
Fear the tribes.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3975
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shall we add the part where Gallentean worlds were sold off to the highest bidder, including the people on them, for 'harvesting'? Shall we talk about where your people bombed the Caldari homeworld, and have not since returned it. Either way Arkena those worlds belonged primarily to the Intaki, not the ethnic Gallente ( according to what I know) This is a whole chain of events. If you're going to talk about the bombardment of Caldari prime, you might want to mention that they razed an entire city, to a man, completely. Every single person in Nouvelle Rouvenor died. No survivors. Oh, you can blame that on terrorist groups, but that was the catalyst for the Gallente-Caldari war. And what does it matter which precise ethnicity was victimised by the Caldari, if they're still Gallente? The Intaki people have their own identity, but they are still a part of the Federation. So, how does those people being Intaki Gallenteans rather than ethnic Gallenteans make any difference?
Again I am not interested in tit for tat politics. It was you who brought up the selling of worlds but I fail to understand how this impacts on the poor treatment of POW's within the Federation despite such heroic posturing.
No act of war nearly a century prior warrants this treatment of humans, especially amongst those who champion human rights.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
561
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:47:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Soldiersaint wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. I may be Gallente by I do not approve of this one bit. How the hell can my My people talk about freedom and fair treatment but turn and do this. This is why I stick with my Minmatar allies. I have some respect for you Gallentean, the fact you can acknowledge this proves to me you are one of the less depraved members of your people.
My people act as if they are angels and commit no crime of any kind but truth is our freedom is bought on the pain and destruction of others. I can not accept that! I only hope my Minmatar comrades do not go down the same path |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3975
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:48:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:True Adamance wrote:Crash Monster wrote:One word... Vitoc. I am not talking about my people here though if you want to bring it up in context I believe it was a Caldari who supplied the antidote to Vitoc to the Matari free of charge..... Isn't the Insorium Vaccine OOC? If not then Otro Gariushi will forever be remembered as a great man for that. If it is then, he was still the only public figure trying to stop the current Gallente-Caldari war.
(( Ah my mistake then consider it redacted if my character is no supposed to know about that.))
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Syeven Reed
RETR0 PR0 GAMERS
153
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:49:00 -
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History is written by the victors.
Gÿé
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3975
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:49:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. Yes we are. No vice, no virtue. As they say.  <-Me Look up the Eve reader and listen to some of those tortures and you'll see that we are all the same.
(( The Amarr one is just plain funny I cannot believe it to be true))
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
4705
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:53:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Dammit you beat me to it. True is playing a very old political game that is easily countered as you just did. +1 Hardly, I am not interested in tit for tat politics, you did this to me so I did this to you. (( I was researching Caldari Prison Systems...and found this)) Such strikes a chord with me. I cannot forgive the poor treatment of mortals.
Poor treatment of mortals?
Hypocrit, much?
The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
Level 4 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
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Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
561
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:53:00 -
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Let us not forget that no Empire is without sin. Why did this war even start? I joined the fight to help The Minmatar because I thought they were fighting off enslavement from the Amarr Empire. Is that not why this war started. Perhaps a veteran of the war can correct me? |
Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards
269
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:57:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Shall we add the part where Gallentean worlds were sold off to the highest bidder, including the people on them, for 'harvesting'?
Are you talking about Joint Harvesting. LOL when i saw the marajauna symbol on one of the pub contracts I laughed so hard. XD I wondered if anyone else picked it up but me.
"We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 22:59:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:True Adamance wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Dammit you beat me to it. True is playing a very old political game that is easily countered as you just did. +1 Hardly, I am not interested in tit for tat politics, you did this to me so I did this to you. (( I was researching Caldari Prison Systems...and found this)) Such strikes a chord with me. I cannot forgive the poor treatment of mortals. Poor treatment of mortals? Hypocrit, much? The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
I cannot speak for my people in the past, what we were does not shape who we are now, only shapes the base.
I am not blameless in the image people have of the Amarr, if anything I am a symbol of it, though I hold not slaves, or noble blood.
So you say I am to blame for the mistakes of my ancestors? Are you personally responsible for the bombing on Caldari Prime?
Poor treatment of mortals as you say is not hypocritical, though I respect the need for the Matari to face their own spiritual awakening I will not stand for the mistreatment of slaves.
Too many way ward criminals have I hunted down, slaving without the Empires consent, too many Blood Raider facilities have I razed, or Holders detained under the auspices of the Ministries for their sins.
You speak as if I do not understand the human condition because of my Faith.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:00:00 -
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Soldiersaint wrote:Let us not forget that no Empire is without sin. Why did this war even start? I joined the fight to help The Minmatar because I thought they were fighting off enslavement from the Amarr Empire. Is that not why this war started. Perhaps a veteran of the war can correct me?
Again I have not mentioned here my stance on the Empire, it is not necessarily within context. I merely speak of the state of half a dozen Caldari POWs transferred to a ship I was stationed on while on active duty.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
708
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:02:00 -
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Yeah, and the Amarr are so good and definitely more ethical.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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XANDER KAG
Red Star.
EoN.
451
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:03:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:
I cannot speak for my people in the past, what we were does not shape who we are now, only shapes the base.
I am not blameless in the image people have of the Amarr, if anything I am a symbol of it, though I hold not slaves, or noble blood.
So you say I am to blame for the mistakes of my ancestors? Are you personally responsible for the bombing on Caldari Prime?
Poor treatment of mortals as you say is not hypocritical, though I respect the need for the Matari to face their own spiritual awakening I will not stand for the mistreatment of slaves.
Too many way ward criminals have I hunted down, slaving without the Empires consent, too many Blood Raider facilities have I razed, or Holders detained under the auspices of the Ministries for their sins.
You speak as if I do not understand the human condition because of my Faith.
Wait, then who is Satja to you then? You specifically state she is a slave in her bio. Unless she belongs to someone else?
Who says you can't kill in style?
Fear the tribes.
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BL4CKST4R
WarRavens
League of Infamy
1334
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:03:00 -
[49] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters.
Oh because a couple of POW can compare for the enslavement of an entire race |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:07:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Yeah, and the Amarr are so good and definitely more ethical.
Again I have not mentioned my stance on the Empire, this is not about what my people have done, I misunderstand the need man people seem to have about not being able to accept their actions and feeling the need to throw back tit for tat politics to defend themselves.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:09:00 -
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BL4CKST4R wrote:True Adamance wrote:Just read the Caldari POW description
"Caldari Prisoners of War
Caldari Prisoners of War All of these Caldari P.O.Ws show the signs of appalling treatment over an extended period of time. Even the most well-off are still suffering from starvation and serious malnourishment. The worst of them are barely alive after enduring sleep deprivation, physical abuse and other more excessive forms of torture. The women in particular, have not fared well under their Gallente jail masters, who have remorselessly taken whatever they desired from their captured prey. "
Man that really makes me want to kill some FDU scum, vile, and depraved monsters. Oh because a couple of POW can compare for the enslavement of an entire race
*Facepalms
AM I COMPARING MY PEOPLE TO THE GALLENTEAN HERE?
I am slowly losing my patience with the level of idiotic Gallenteans. Should you wish to broach the subject I am only to happy to discuss the matters with you, but not here and not now.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
709
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:10:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Yeah, and the Amarr are so good and definitely more ethical. Again I have not mentioned my stance on the Empire, this is not about what my people have done, I misunderstand the need man people seem to have about not being able to accept their actions and feeling the need to throw back tit for tat politics to defend themselves.
I know.
We're just saying that because of the corp your in.
And almost everyone else is just saying what they're saying to jerk your chain.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:13:00 -
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Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Yeah, and the Amarr are so good and definitely more ethical. Again I have not mentioned my stance on the Empire, this is not about what my people have done, I misunderstand the need man people seem to have about not being able to accept their actions and feeling the need to throw back tit for tat politics to defend themselves. I know. We're just saying that because of the corp your in. And almost everyone else is just saying what they're saying to jerk your chain.
So you are okay with the torture and mistreatment of your own people?
I am not angered by the incessant posting, but instead by their assumption that I am open to discussing the entirety of New Eden, such a topic would require a much vaster and more knowledgible group of individuals to tackle, which here we seem to be sorely lacking beside Arkena, and another Matari who has shown me today his people are capable of rational thought.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:14:00 -
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XANDER KAG wrote:True Adamance wrote:
I cannot speak for my people in the past, what we were does not shape who we are now, only shapes the base.
I am not blameless in the image people have of the Amarr, if anything I am a symbol of it, though I hold not slaves, or noble blood.
So you say I am to blame for the mistakes of my ancestors? Are you personally responsible for the bombing on Caldari Prime?
Poor treatment of mortals as you say is not hypocritical, though I respect the need for the Matari to face their own spiritual awakening I will not stand for the mistreatment of slaves.
Too many way ward criminals have I hunted down, slaving without the Empires consent, too many Blood Raider facilities have I razed, or Holders detained under the auspices of the Ministries for their sins.
You speak as if I do not understand the human condition because of my Faith.
Wait, then who is Satja to you then? You specifically state she is a slave in her bio. Unless she belongs to someone else?
She does not belong to me, she is indentured in my service on the behalf of a Holder to serve as my aide and support in my duties. I would not state it is uncommon for Templars to be able to own slaves, though I myself am neither held in such high regard not in veterancy.
To me she is more than a slave though and a very close friend, someone who saved me when I was at my lowest.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Flaminius-Aurelius Julius
DUST University
Ivy League
106
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:15:00 -
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My Friends, my good Caldari friends. Look at the Gallente, don't believe this trash at how the Gallente treat Caldari Prisoners poorly. Do you really think that the Gallente would treat us poorly? We are Gods to them. We are not captured, we are abducted to be worshiped by their primitive rituals and we are offered only the finest of Gallente women (but remember not to actually mix, we don't want any of our pure bloodline being spoiled by some horrible Gallente-Caldari abomination). They give us gifts, treasures, and praise us for our pure bloodlines and great cultural achievements. What the problem is the Gallente State. For they are the real enemy. They shun their inferior brethren for recognizing our greatness and oppress them for the truth that they espouse about us. We must liberate them from their heretical taskmasters and let them realize the true glory of our culture and greatness! LONG LIVE THE CALDARI STATE!!!
Veni, Vedi, Veni
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
709
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:15:00 -
[56] - Quote
True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:True Adamance wrote:Atiim wrote:Yeah, and the Amarr are so good and definitely more ethical. Again I have not mentioned my stance on the Empire, this is not about what my people have done, I misunderstand the need man people seem to have about not being able to accept their actions and feeling the need to throw back tit for tat politics to defend themselves. I know. We're just saying that because of the corp your in. And almost everyone else is just saying what they're saying to jerk your chain. So you are okay with the torture and mistreatment of your own people? I am not angered by the incessant posting, but instead by their assumption that I am open to discussing the entirety of New Eden, such a topic would require a much vaster and more knowledgeable group of individuals to tackle, which here we seem to be sorely lacking beside Arkena, and another Matari who has shown me today his people are capable of rational thought.
Are you kidding me? Of course I'm angry. I'm just trying to decide what I should say.
But If you could stop interrupting me, that would be greatly appreciated. 
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3977
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:16:00 -
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Flaminius-Aurelius Julius wrote:My Friends, my good Caldari friends. Look at the Gallente, don't believe this trash at how the Gallente treat Caldari Prisoners poorly. Do you really think that the Gallente would treat us poorly? We are Gods to them. We are not captured, we are abducted to be worshiped by their primitive rituals and we are offered only the finest of Gallente women (but remember not to actually mix, we don't want any of our pure bloodline being spoiled by some horrible Gallente-Caldari abomination). They give us gifts, treasures, and praise us for our pure bloodlines and great cultural achievements. What the problem is the Gallente State. For they are the real enemy. They shun their inferior brethren for recognizing our greatness and oppress them for the truth that they espouse about us. We must liberate them from their heretical taskmasters and let them realize the true glory of our culture and greatness! LONG LIVE THE CALDARI STATE!!!
You shame the Caldari people.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
710
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:31:00 -
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May a tear be shed for my brothers imprisoned and tortured by the Gallente Federation.
It is a sad shame that many are under the illusion that all of any race can be pure of heart. The ignorance of people who believe this sickens me to the core.
While I do hope that one day all four empires will endure a period of Pax Aeterna, I fear that this day will outlast even the life of mine, which is said to be immortal.
However, I refuse to sit here and lie to myself and say "The Gallente are evil by nature and the Caldari State is the embodiment of all that is holy and pure". For all races, all empires, and all bloodlines have all inflicted great suffering on others at one point in their existence. Even through millennia of technological and social advancements our human nature will never change. We are all cursed to live in a cycle of pain, anguish, harm, and suffering.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3979
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:May a tear be shed for my brothers imprisoned and tortured by the Gallente Federation.
It is a sad shame that many are under the illusion that all of any race can be pure of heart. The ignorance of people who believe this sickens me to the core.
While I do hope that one day all four empires will endure a period of Pax Aeterna, I fear that this day will outlast even the life of mine, which is said to be immortal.
However, I refuse to sit here and lie to myself and say "The Gallente are evil by nature and the Caldari State is the embodiment of all that is holy and pure". For all races, all empires, and all bloodlines have all inflicted great suffering on others at one point in their existence. Even through millennia of technological and social advancements our human nature will never change. We are all cursed to live in a cycle of pain, anguish, harm, and suffering.
I did not state that either, though the meaning of my original state me was clear it seems not all Gallenteans have even registered in mentally yet.
"All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
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Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
710
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Posted - 2013.11.07 23:34:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:
Poor treatment of mortals?
Hypocrit, much?
The sheer number of atrocities you and your people have committed against human beings are unthinkable.
Do not waste your time kind woman, for the Amarr do not consider Matri to be human.
There there Mr. Scout and Ms. Heavy, don't cry
You'll still be useful in my eyes
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