RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc
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Posted - 2013.11.11 07:51:00 -
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To Many, But not to All:
20 of these threads a day and they still waste my time in arguments that have been going on since the beginning. I've come to terms that we will never agree. Logis are great other classes suck, is that what you want to hear? You are right of course, the augmented processes for growing logi clones is quite involved.
(And this is all true according to EVE lore... that I've just made up)
Generally the whole cloning process just spits out fat ones, skinny ones, and angry jocks to be handed a weapon and die on the battlefield. To the logis they give the brains, the best suits, the bonuses, and for those that want the upgraded models even better skin coloring, muscle tone, and working organs to enjoy the finer things of life during their short time of activation. That the brutes of the battle class have finally noticed is surprising - i guess we've never given them quite the amount of attention that they needed. They can be as petulant as undisciplined children sometimes when they don't get their way.
But no matter, the most interesting part is that these calloused Neanderthals would rather have logis sink to their level rather than demand that their classes also rise to the calling of greatness and nobility. No, they would rather that these qualities be stripped from the class so that I too might wallow in their filthy weakness.
Do they demand more Module Slots?! No
Do they desire better class bonuses?! No
Do they desire greater racial bonuses?! No
But like the dog that's jealous of the owner's fine meal he seeks to take it or hide it rather than merely ask, nay BEG, for better food. It's not their fault. They have neither the genes nor the advanced dexterity to type, much less speak, about their wants to their task masters. They would rather have us all swimming in the mud like serfs than eating at the table like kings.
Pick your side. Nerfs or Buffs.
Get everyone to Live in dropsuit squalor or fight like kings in better class dropsuits. Your choice.
May you be a better man for thinking it through.
Sarcasm is the healing balm for a festering soul. |
RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc
League of Infamy
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Posted - 2013.11.13 04:44:00 -
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Meeko Fent wrote:
If we buff everything else up to an OP items standards, then that masks the originally planned balance and TTK.
If we buffed every gun up to the level of TAR, what do you think would be wrong?
If we buffed every gun up to the level of the flay what do you think would be wrong?
If we buffed every suit up to the level of the CalLogi, what do you think would be wrong?
Its the one outlier among the med frames. If you throw it out, the scale of HP between suits is much more reasonable, and balance is a bit better with heavies having their HP range far from that of a med frame can reach.
Buffing everything up to an OP item isn't how balance works.
Here you are trying to redirect the my comment - the TAR and Flaylock are not an issue as the community at large recognized the imbalance. Buffing them would have lead to shorter TTK and we would be speaking to that now instead. Also, to buff everything isn't actually a way to find balance, but perhaps you are speaking to buffing just a few things - yeah, that does work - like the dropsuits, weapons balances in the past, recent buff to heavies, and equipment, etc. Try to keep focused here.
As far as i have seen the originally planned balance fell away long ago, while it is desired it can no longer be framed as we have seen it. CCP knows. They have meetings about the original vision of the game and what it looks like now. Remember EVE had many plans that were changed along the way because it made a better game overall (watch the EVE keynote and you'll get it). Right now the Logi suits are great (please reread original post), but the others lack in skills, class, and flexibility... but they got the logi right.
Now it is time to make the other suits also perform at their best and bring more than just face burning to the game. The issue is with the Flexibility of the logi that comes with the CPU/PG and module slots and class/race skills of the Logistics class. The arguments are about how to give the other suits flexibility also. So the choices revolve around two view points:
Make everything suck (reduce logis to the current vanilla and unbalanced dropsuits that we have now) or make all suits awesome (raise them to a balanced level).
What you seem to be saying is that if we used your solution to get rid of the logi suits altogether - your second to last sentence - that would solve the suit imbalances. That is wrong. Speak to each of the many people that use the other dropsuits and ask them if they think their suit is balanced. That the skills, the stats, the modules, the racial bonuses, etc. are all good and that nothing else needs changed. You know the reply that you will get - no, they are not balanced (for those who couldn't guess). So, your solution to remove the logi suits does not solve the imbalance problem.
If you can offer something that is constructive on how to do that then do so; like an idea about skill trees or new dropsuit values that you believe would even everything out. To merely reference past changes only shows us that more change is on the way. Would you like it to be balanced the first time or a year of suck before the community sees its mistake and asks for better suits? |