DUST Search - CCP, what did you do to the Nova Knives?

Maken Tosch wrote:

Mac Dac wrote:

CCP Wolfman wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

CCP Wolfman wrote:

We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know.

WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can!

Is the 'dash' you had proposed previously still on the table?

It's still an idea we really like, personally I'm a big fan of it. However, it's not super high on the priority list right now.

I prefer to sprint while charged. Blink

Ditto. It's possible to hotfix it as well, isn't it? I mean, we really need to be able to sprint charge. Of course that won't do us any good if the knives can't register damage on a moving target.

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Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4980	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:36:00 - [31] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! Is the 'dash' you had proposed previously still on the table? It's still an idea we really like, personally I'm a big fan of it. However, it's not super high on the priority list right now. I prefer to sprint while charged. Ditto. It's possible to hotfix it as well, isn't it? I mean, we really need to be able to sprint charge. Of course that won't do us any good if the knives can't register damage on a moving target. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1645	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:54:00 - [32] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! hug thanks for making my best/favourite weapon better :D Forum Warrior Level 1 The Master of the Nova Knifes and The Spammer of the Scanner The Scary Scout
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1645	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:57:00 - [33] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: Mac Dac wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! Is the 'dash' you had proposed previously still on the table? It's still an idea we really like, personally I'm a big fan of it. However, it's not super high on the priority list right now. I prefer to sprint while charged. Ditto. It's possible to hotfix it as well, isn't it? I mean, we really need to be able to sprint charge. Of course that won't do us any good if the knives can't register damage on a moving target. its so hard killing someone moving away from you :( Forum Warrior Level 1 The Master of the Nova Knifes and The Spammer of the Scanner The Scary Scout
Cosgar ParagonX 7437	Posted - 2013.11.07 02:58:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! Is the 'dash' you had proposed previously still on the table? It's still an idea we really like, personally I'm a big fan of it. However, it's not super high on the priority list right now. Let me put it this way: People will and have always found a way to glitch into sprinting while charging in just about every patch for as long as I can remember. Out of all this time, there hasn't been one legitimate topic topic complaining that nova knives are OP. Just something to think about. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1959	Posted - 2013.11.07 04:01:00 - [35] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! Clarification please, this confused me to no ends. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Fix my class already
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4981	Posted - 2013.11.07 06:58:00 - [36] - Quote @Cosgar There was one player who claimed they were OP even while they are UP. His excuse was that they dished out too much damage for his heavy suit. But the funny part didn't come until the other heavy players came in and put that noob in his proper place. The heavy players were actually supportive of the knives even if it killed them a lot. Then more non-heavy, non-knifer guys came to make sure the noob felt just as stupid for even suggesting a nerf. Lol CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3663	Posted - 2013.11.07 07:49:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! Is the 'dash' you had proposed previously still on the table? It's still an idea we really like, personally I'm a big fan of it. However, it's not super high on the priority list right now. Alright, another question, If I may? Any thought to changing the R3 melee damage? It currently ignores the fact that you have Nova Knives and only utilizes the dropsuit's melee damage. You can have all skills level five, stacked complex sidearm damage mods and prototype knives but the R3 melee doesn't change despite having them in hand - making it ALWAYS better to use the R1 slash The problem with this is that the R3 melee will actively 'coordinate' to the target, turning the camera in a Call of Duty-esque manner toward the target to initiate the attack whereas the R1 slash does not.... though it does have Aim Assist, which is somewhat bizarre when you see it in action. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
shanatak What The French 6	Posted - 2013.11.08 18:35:00 - [38] - Quote Maybe a system of locking will be more good ? Il est bon de regarder derrière soi, il est mauvais de se retourner/ fix my cut or repay all my destroyed pads katanahs
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5056	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:10:00 - [39] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1468599#post1468599 So..... about that hotfix. When's it coming? Oh yeah, and bump. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
DeadlyAztec11 Gallente Federation 2505	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:31:00 - [40] - Quote Man, CCP has said they were fixing the knives every single patch since Uprising... I'm disillusioned /@_@/ Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5057	Posted - 2013.11.13 00:32:00 - [41] - Quote Bumpity bump Bump bump bump CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5060	Posted - 2013.11.13 05:06:00 - [42] - Quote Can you at least tell me that you were unable to put together a hotfix? If it's that bad, then at least let us all know so that we're not tied up in epic suspense for the remainder of the month. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Joel II X AHPA 135	Posted - 2013.11.13 05:38:00 - [43] - Quote As long as a target isn't sprinting and is unaware of me, I like walking with a charged knife up them and swish, swish. Would still like better knives, though. A sprint charge and/or lounge would be cool. I remember saying how we can have two variants of knives. One for sprint charge and the other for lounge, but I guess that's not coming. A boy can dream :/
CharCharOdell 1531	Posted - 2013.11.13 05:42:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Wolfman wrote: We've been following the reports of continued issues with the Nova Knives. The fix we made was for a client/server mismatch which we believed would solve the problems. However after this feedback we spent some time frowning and scratching our heads wondering what was up. CCP Geediiiiky then did some more serious digging and found another sneaky bug hiding in there relating to the hit angles. We are currently fixing it in 1.7 and we are hoping to be able to hotfix it for you next week. IGÇÖll let you know. WeGÇÖll have you ninjas back in business as soon as we can! i just want you to know that you are the most valuable person on this project and we don't ever want you to leave. you faithful subject, Charlotte O'Dell Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 10198	Posted - 2013.11.13 05:58:00 - [45] - Quote I think a sprint while charging would negate the need to have a 'dash' attack. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier Specialist Current Theme \\= Advanced Scrambler Rifle =// Unlocked
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1683	Posted - 2013.11.13 07:07:00 - [46] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think a sprint while charging would negate the need to have a 'dash' attack. Either or is fine with me. :D Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 371	Posted - 2013.11.14 08:46:00 - [47] - Quote Someone gonna like this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121259&find=unread
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 769	Posted - 2013.11.14 08:59:00 - [48] - Quote Knives are still bad!
Aoena Rays Bragian Order Amarr Empire 373	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:00:00 - [49] - Quote Niuvo wrote: Knives are still bad! You haven't even read the link I gave... Good job.
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS 769	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:01:00 - [50] - Quote I read it after. but yeah thanks for link.

Llast 326 An Arkhos 441	Posted - 2013.11.14 09:43:00 - [51] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Someone gonna like this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121259&find=unread Gbdhak kshfk YES I am apparently not the only fool
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5072	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:21:00 - [52] - Quote Aoena Rays wrote: Someone gonna like this: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=121259&find=unread 0.o /makes a mad dash to his PS3 CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.
Grave Oblivion 3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance 9	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:28:00 - [53] - Quote At work and just read the link any real difference?.?
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 427	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:31:00 - [54] - Quote Grave Oblivion wrote: At work and just read the link any real difference?.? I gave them a try. Worked better than the start of 1.7 but didn't notice a curve attack but perhaps I'm just too used to lining up direct targets "We demand rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty!"
Llast 326 An Arkhos 443	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:38:00 - [55] - Quote Broonfondle Majikthies wrote: Grave Oblivion wrote: At work and just read the link any real difference?.? I gave them a try. Worked better than the start of 1.7 but didn't notice a curve attack but perhaps I'm just too used to lining up direct targets Animation probably did not change, just the way the damage is projected in order to achieve better, and wider hit detection. It was a hit fix after all, I think changing the attack animation is more of a download intensive update. on that thought CCP any thoughts on changing the animation? Have not had a chance to try them yet. I am apparently not the only fool
Shotty GoBang Pro Hic Immortalis 2220	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:44:00 - [56] - Quote Status? Improvement confirmed?
IgniteableAura Pro Hic Immortalis 338	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:48:00 - [57] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: I think a sprint while charging would negate the need to have a 'dash' attack. I would prefer sprint charge over dash. Mostly because I can control my sprint and increase its speed as necessary. Also I would imagine you would also need to charge for this dash, allowing mercs to backpedal far enough they could probably kill you before you dash anyway. Reason why sprint charge works is because it allows you to evade fire while still closing the distance. PHI Recruitment or PHIsh Tank in game Twitch
Aseair Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:48:00 - [58] - Quote Shotty GoBang wrote: Status? Improvement confirmed? I would say yes. It's been much easier to actually use them on moving targets. Memento vos sunt immortales I am a scout. If you see me, I deserve to get shot.
Aseair Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 49	Posted - 2013.11.14 15:54:00 - [59] - Quote IgniteableAura wrote: I would prefer sprint charge over dash. Mostly because I can control my sprint and increase its speed as necessary. Also I would imagine you would also need to charge for this dash, allowing mercs to backpedal far enough they could probably kill you before you dash anyway. Reason why sprint charge works is because it allows you to evade fire while still closing the distance. It also makes more sense. I mean, why could you not hold down a button while you're running but still make a sudden high-speed dash by holding down and releasing said button? Memento vos sunt immortales I am a scout. If you see me, I deserve to get shot.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5076	Posted - 2013.11.14 21:02:00 - [60] - Quote I can finally confirm that the knives have definitely gotten better. Not perfect, but better none the less. I have noticed two things. First is that the range of the attack seems slightly further. I don't need to hug my targets anymore. On that alone it means that I no longer have to be super close to a moving target which means that I can finally hit (and kill) a sprinting target. Using the quick-slash still interrupts the sprint, but damage still registers. The second part is that there is a noticeable curve when I hit a strafing target. However, I noticed a blind spot with the nova knives. If the target is too close to you, they can definitely evade even a full-on charged attack. It seems that just like assault rifles whose damage starts at the tip of the barrel, the damage seems to start about a 1 foot ahead of you and then the damage curve spreads out from there. This creates a noticeable blind spot for a target to just simply sprint to the side of the knifer to dodge a hit. Me and the rest of my squad noticed this when it came to close quarter combat. I have been playing for up to 5 hours until now to make sure I understood what was going on. The improvement wasn't noticeable at first but as I kept on playing match after match, I began to see real improvements. I still have to hide in the shadows though. But overall, the knives are practically useful once again and I have been able to achieve multiple kills in a single pass during one very special match when I managed to pounce behind an enemy group. I can even compete against a shotty for once while also surprising targets around corners. CCP, please fix the Nova Knives. Thank you.



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