If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

People go because that is where the action is. The game is all about PC. That is what people want, war! So if Team A takes a few districts they get greedy, they want more. Then they start recruiting to be able to field enough teams to take more districts. Of course they are going to get the better players and this encourages team B to start recruiting as well. They see the war coming their way via starmap and threats on the War Room. Then you have the best players left in the game spread out across 3-6 Corps fighting each other over and over until someone breaks off and repeats the cycle.

This will never end unless the game just dies completely. And if you watch closely, the same 20-30 people will always be involved at the top.

I only joined MHPD because it seemed like the last chance to get good fights before this game goes right in the shitter.

That and EoN were always pleasant to deal with, and professional, while AE and OH always seemed to have forgotten that they either lost the major war or abstained from fighting it.

Also, I can legitimately say that I don't know why people are getting into PC at all anymore. I am actually amazed that CCP has actually let performance degrade so badly in what is seemingly the top tier of gameplay. Just awful. I don't know how, or why, but performance is getting back to Uprising 1.0 levels and that **** drove people right out of the game.

I understand that to an extent. But there was enough talent spread out to make it interested going into Uprising.

I hope at some point it levels out like it was.

I understand that to an extent. But there was enough talent spread out to make it interested going into Uprising.

I hope at some point it levels out like it was.

Agreed, but from the looks of it. I expect the guys that bounced from MHPD to join up with 2 or 3 of the notorious corps and repeat the cycle.

This isn't some Freudian attempt at recruiting or anything. It just seems like people are setting themselves up for the same boredom that sets in every time the talent is condensed at the top to the point that nobody bothers putting up a fight anymore.

Fail cascades caused a concentration of talent.

There are ex-Zion all over from the start of PC.

There is also a large number who walked away form the game.

When the number of active players in a given corp hits a certain threshold, people flee to any active corp, and ofcourse they will apply to join the winning, or leading corp/alliance.

Given how few people can really compete at the upper tier of this game, which maybe numbers 200 on a good day, it is only logical that they will congregate into a few small organizations or cliques.

As the people with 30 million plus SP drops, there will be a larger window for new bloods to get their PC on, in a more varied fashion.

MHPD was mostly EoN anyway. I was only there because it was a limited time thing.

If I were a relative noob, I would just be waiting until the 12th. There is surely going to be some corps who suddenly don't have the numbers to hold their land.

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

During the FEC war AE had too much PC and not enough people. We were barely scraping by with our tourney matches.

A little while later we had just the right amount of people to field into our PCs and began to do well

Now we have too many people and very little PC. It's hard to find a unlocked district these days, and the ones that are, the owner would probably just no show.

Literally our only income of PC is from newberry corps attacking us at random. We originally had no interest in policing PFC, but now we gots nothin' better to do.

During the FEC war AE had too much PC and not enough people. We were barely scraping by with our tourney matches.

A little while later we had just the right amount of people to field into our PCs and began to do well

Now we have too many people and very little PC. It's hard to find a unlocked district these days, and the ones that are, the owner would probably just no show.

Literally our only income of PC is from newberry corps attacking us at random. We originally had no interest in policing PFC, but now we gots nothin' better to do.

do I sense some QQ???

u make it sound like this is something novel and totally unseen in this illustrious game....

During the FEC war AE had too much PC and not enough people. We were barely scraping by with our tourney matches.

A little while later we had just the right amount of people to field into our PCs and began to do well

Now we have too many people and very little PC. It's hard to find a unlocked district these days, and the ones that are, the owner would probably just no show.

Literally our only income of PC is from newberry corps attacking us at random. We originally had no interest in policing PFC, but now we gots nothin' better to do.

Maybe BC you have 70% of every OP player in the game, and nobody wants to get butt raped by you. Seriously how much pleasure do you get just beating the same corps over and over?

The funny thing is most of you don't want a challange, you are just giant carebears that just never want to lose. Winning all the time isn't fun. I hate playing winning Redline games against newer players. I'd rather lose, but actually have a good fight.

Maybe BC you have 70% of every OP player in the game, and nobody wants to get butt raped by you. Seriously how much pleasure do you get just beating the same corps over and over?

The funny thing is most of you don't want a challange, you are just giant carebears that just never want to lose. Winning all the time isn't fun. I hate playing winning Redline games against newer players. I'd rather lose, but actually have a good fight.

hey bro, we're not quite on AE's level, but OH is gonna be having some fun battles in the future, and I spoke with Rei and she's fine having you ring because we're in an alliance and all...

^ true story.

If CCP made it in such a way that "Corp members Only" then it'd be fun

[quote=Zombie Supreme][quote=Arirana]One of the worst idea's that seem like a good recruitment scheme is a filter corp. Let me ask you, why was the Operatives of the Goat disbanded and in its place became Molon Labe, which was no longer the A team of PRO? Why did they separate? lol I don't actually know if thats relevant I'm still curious about what happened.

I think the tough part for me is the (perhaps incorrect) idea that any corp I join outside of those big ones will not be attacking AE on a regular basis, which is exactly what I want. I want the best, most tough matches. It's tough for me to reconcile the idea that you want PC and to help build up a corp, along with the realization that most likely you're going to be stomping corps so badly while simultaneously aware that if you were facing better talent it would be way more fun and competitive.

I want the challenge so badly I refuse to consider playing for a corp that (in the limited timeframe I plan to continue playing) will not be able to become competitive at the highest level, nor do they wish to try (with the commitment it engenders).

Now if Pradox or Valor Coalition said "hey bro, we're not quite on AE's level, but OH is gonna be having some fun battles in the future, and I spoke with Radar and he's fine having you ring because we're in an alliance an all..." Then that'd be a huge deal.

Being able to support and help build a mid tier corp that's ambitious in PC, while also fulfilling my more important ambition to have the most fun playing AE? That'd be ideal. But you don't get that option. You either do play with a corp that's up and coming, or you play for a corp that's already there and you can trust will compete (assuming they are interested in not just stomping other corps that haven't assimilated as much talent). (also, corp taxes are a whole other issue, as I never paid corp taxes since "**** fit" donations and the 150 mil I gave to Subdreddit when uprising hit. How do you think I feel about paying some corp 5-8% of my paychecks, especially if they don't play PC a lot and don't give out paychecks?)

So is it cut and dried about wanting to join the best? Nah.

It's about achieving your goals and not letting others define the "right" decision.

It's an interesting spot to occupy. And I hope I don't make enemies because every team I've tried out for had players that I wish I could have picked up before they made their corps or got recruited. Campsalot is retardedly amazing, but can he slay AE and the competition he's worthy of? Not without everyone around him being in sync, committed, and similarly talented.

Same goes for Healo Healo, Michael Jordan, and Thor Odinson. I commend you having the balls to stick it out where you and others like you are at. But I think it's undue criticism to judge others (which I'm not suggesting anyone has) for following their ambitions until they explain themselves.

Reminds me of politics. I don't feel confident about my conviction until I can argue the opposite position sufficiently, then you may disagree still, but you inevitably evolve more mature and tactful arguments.

Sorry if this is a convoluted digression, but it's almost 4 am and I'm not tired.

I think the tough part for me is the (perhaps incorrect) idea that any corp I join outside of those big ones will not be attacking AE on a regular basis, which is exactly what I want. I want the best, most tough matches. It's tough for me to reconcile the idea that you want PC and to help build up a corp, along with the realization that most likely you're going to be stomping corps so badly while simultaneously aware that if you were facing better talent it would be way more fun and competitive.

I want the challenge so badly I refuse to consider playing for a corp that (in the limited timeframe I plan to continue playing) will not be able to become competitive at the highest level, nor do they wish to try (with the commitment it engenders).

Now if Pradox or Valor Coalition said "hey bro, we're not quite on AE's level, but OH is gonna be having some fun battles in the future, and I spoke with Radar and he's fine having you ring because we're in an alliance an all..." Then that'd be a huge deal.

None of the PF5 allied corps OH/AE/Pradox/Nyain San will be attacking each other, except maybe in PFC like matches. NTM all of them are friendly with Valor/Anon/WTF so no fights there either. It's just a big blue doughnut.

BTW At Molon we are fighting most of them many times every week, just saying.

Actually I joined up because I like playing with people that know what they're doing, and playing against people that know what they're doing. If I didn't want a challenge I would be joining a low tier corp playing against low tier corps.

AE was made for competitive matches. Kujo only took in PC ready players that can compete at the highest level because our main opponent was TP. I find it hard to believe you really think after fighting our way to become the "top dog" we would all figure it was time to disband and evenly distribute among all of the other corps in the game. I made friends here and I'm not joining another corp because there isn't anyone left for us to fight.

What you don't seem to understand is that players like to play with other players that are on their skill level. It causes friction and frustration when an experienced player see's a less experienced player make what seems to them very simple mistakes that cost them significantly. I've seen it happen too many times.

One of the worst idea's that seem like a good recruitment scheme is a filter corp. Let me ask you, why was the Operatives of the Goat disbanded and in its place became Molon Labe, which was no longer the A team of PRO? Why did they separate? lol I don't actually know if that's relevant I'm still curious about what happened.

Anyway, you are right about that first sentence though. There aren't enough good players for many competitive corps like AE to exist.

You're gunna be in for a surprise...

What you got a sausage under that dress?

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

Fellas, I think we would all agree on this simple fix. The battles need to be bigger then 16 on 16. If you get the 16 best players in the game on one team, they are going to win over and over and over again, which, congrats to them. How ever, make it 40 on 40 and thats where strategy and real war planning comes into effect, it also opens the corps into bringing in a couple new players to PC and not having to worry to much about them being the direct cause of your loss. It would also mean that choosing who you are in an alliance with would play a bigger role. 16 on 16 is the same 16 guys on both sides are flying as fast as the can for a roof top with forge guns...and Im a forge gunner I know how important it is. Bigger maps, more objectives, more players...So its not the same stratedgy over again.

Maybe BC you have 70% of every OP player in the game, and nobody wants to get butt raped by you. Seriously how much pleasure do you get just beating the same corps over and over?

The funny thing is most of you don't want a challange, you are just giant carebears that just never want to lose. Winning all the time isn't fun. I hate playing winning Redline games against newer players. I'd rather lose, but actually have a good fight.

^This. If every good corp forms a sort of alliance, how could any other corps even make an impact the way they want to? I get what Arirana said about more skilled players not wanting to play with less skilled players, but could they at least try to help?


Instead of everyone flocking to one huge corp just because they're the best of the best, how about spreading out to make it all a little more even?


It would give not only the better players some good fights but would also train the players that are of a lesser skill. Part of the reason they don't have as much skill as their A-Team does/would is because they've been stomped so badly.


People say that getting stomped by a big name corp helps you get better. Wrong. What helps people get better are close fights, not redlines by either side.


But, I digress.


To all the good players (such as everyone from 0uter.Heaven and AE): Spread out a little bit. Maybe a few guys here, a few over there, and then some over here.

You may not get payed 50,000,000 ISK every week, but you could easily make that yourself if you have so much skill.

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

Easy ISK.

Or they just leave like I did to play better games..... LIKE SLAY!

Char is helping the Newberries... I'm helping newberries meh that's enough people helping Newberries... Also I call Ripper... if not him then Zatara... if not Zatara then... anyone but Rampage...

Why are you posting here?

FW is that way --->

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

Why are you posting here?

FW is that way --->

Fellas, I think we would all agree on this simple fix. The battles need to be bigger then 16 on 16. If you get the 16 best players in the game on one team, they are going to win over and over and over again, which, congrats to them. How ever, make it 40 on 40 and thats where strategy and real war planning comes into effect, it also opens the corps into bringing in a couple new players to PC and not having to worry to much about them being the direct cause of your loss. It would also mean that choosing who you are in an alliance with would play a bigger role. 16 on 16 is the same 16 guys on both sides are flying as fast as the can for a roof top with forge guns...and Im a forge gunner I know how important it is. Bigger maps, more objectives, more players...So its not the same stratedgy over again.