I think the tough part for me is the (perhaps incorrect) idea that any corp I join outside of those big ones will not be attacking AE on a regular basis, which is exactly what I want. I want the best, most tough matches. It's tough for me to reconcile the idea that you want PC and to help build up a corp, along with the realization that most likely you're going to be stomping corps so badly while simultaneously aware that if you were facing better talent it would be way more fun and competitive.

I want the challenge so badly I refuse to consider playing for a corp that (in the limited timeframe I plan to continue playing) will not be able to become competitive at the highest level, nor do they wish to try (with the commitment it engenders).

Now if Pradox or Valor Coalition said "hey bro, we're not quite on AE's level, but OH is gonna be having some fun battles in the future, and I spoke with Radar and he's fine having you ring because we're in an alliance an all..." Then that'd be a huge deal.

None of the PF5 allied corps OH/AE/Pradox/Nyain San will be attacking each other, except maybe in PFC like matches. NTM all of them are friendly with Valor/Anon/WTF so no fights there either. It's just a big blue doughnut.

BTW At Molon we are fighting most of them many times every week, just saying.

Actually I joined up because I like playing with people that know what they're doing, and playing against people that know what they're doing. If I didn't want a challenge I would be joining a low tier corp playing against low tier corps.

AE was made for competitive matches. Kujo only took in PC ready players that can compete at the highest level because our main opponent was TP. I find it hard to believe you really think after fighting our way to become the "top dog" we would all figure it was time to disband and evenly distribute among all of the other corps in the game. I made friends here and I'm not joining another corp because there isn't anyone left for us to fight.

What you don't seem to understand is that players like to play with other players that are on their skill level. It causes friction and frustration when an experienced player see's a less experienced player make what seems to them very simple mistakes that cost them significantly. I've seen it happen too many times.

One of the worst idea's that seem like a good recruitment scheme is a filter corp. Let me ask you, why was the Operatives of the Goat disbanded and in its place became Molon Labe, which was no longer the A team of PRO? Why did they separate? lol I don't actually know if that's relevant I'm still curious about what happened.

Anyway, you are right about that first sentence though. There aren't enough good players for many competitive corps like AE to exist.

You're gunna be in for a surprise...

What you got a sausage under that dress?

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

Fellas, I think we would all agree on this simple fix. The battles need to be bigger then 16 on 16. If you get the 16 best players in the game on one team, they are going to win over and over and over again, which, congrats to them. How ever, make it 40 on 40 and thats where strategy and real war planning comes into effect, it also opens the corps into bringing in a couple new players to PC and not having to worry to much about them being the direct cause of your loss. It would also mean that choosing who you are in an alliance with would play a bigger role. 16 on 16 is the same 16 guys on both sides are flying as fast as the can for a roof top with forge guns...and Im a forge gunner I know how important it is. Bigger maps, more objectives, more players...So its not the same stratedgy over again.

Maybe BC you have 70% of every OP player in the game, and nobody wants to get butt raped by you. Seriously how much pleasure do you get just beating the same corps over and over?

The funny thing is most of you don't want a challange, you are just giant carebears that just never want to lose. Winning all the time isn't fun. I hate playing winning Redline games against newer players. I'd rather lose, but actually have a good fight.

^This. If every good corp forms a sort of alliance, how could any other corps even make an impact the way they want to? I get what Arirana said about more skilled players not wanting to play with less skilled players, but could they at least try to help?


Instead of everyone flocking to one huge corp just because they're the best of the best, how about spreading out to make it all a little more even?


It would give not only the better players some good fights but would also train the players that are of a lesser skill. Part of the reason they don't have as much skill as their A-Team does/would is because they've been stomped so badly.


People say that getting stomped by a big name corp helps you get better. Wrong. What helps people get better are close fights, not redlines by either side.


But, I digress.


To all the good players (such as everyone from 0uter.Heaven and AE): Spread out a little bit. Maybe a few guys here, a few over there, and then some over here.

You may not get payed 50,000,000 ISK every week, but you could easily make that yourself if you have so much skill.

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

Easy ISK.

Or they just leave like I did to play better games..... LIKE SLAY!

Char is helping the Newberries... I'm helping newberries meh that's enough people helping Newberries... Also I call Ripper... if not him then Zatara... if not Zatara then... anyone but Rampage...

Why are you posting here?

FW is that way --->

If people complain about PC being boring then why do people flock to whatever 2 or 3 corps are doing the best at the moment?

Somebody gets a bunch of districts. Then another corp gets an influx of players and goes on all out war on the corp with a lot of districts. Victim corp falls out of PC then the cycle repeats.

Does anybody see the problem here?

Why are you posting here?

FW is that way --->

Fellas, I think we would all agree on this simple fix. The battles need to be bigger then 16 on 16. If you get the 16 best players in the game on one team, they are going to win over and over and over again, which, congrats to them. How ever, make it 40 on 40 and thats where strategy and real war planning comes into effect, it also opens the corps into bringing in a couple new players to PC and not having to worry to much about them being the direct cause of your loss. It would also mean that choosing who you are in an alliance with would play a bigger role. 16 on 16 is the same 16 guys on both sides are flying as fast as the can for a roof top with forge guns...and Im a forge gunner I know how important it is. Bigger maps, more objectives, more players...So its not the same stratedgy over again.