DUST Search - Matchmaking is screwed

Severance Pay wrote:

Awry Barux wrote:

Severance Pay wrote:

Spaceman-Rob wrote:

Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation.

Translation = "Hi, I like to solo and my complaint is that nobody likes to work in squads."

Also, if you side with this logic I hate your guts.

This has nothing to do with that. The matchmaking algorithm should still evenly distribute squads between teams. I assume you're a super cool full-squad player- wouldn't you rather fight a real fight instead of just redlining 16 randoms?

I am super cool with just logging in and playing. Sometimes I squad, sometimes not. I play to my strengths and nothing hurts my ego. I have about 16m in SP and about I take a beating sometimes, but hey that's life.

Match making could be better. They could let us pick our matches, but they don't. They don't wanna do that. CCP believes that match making can't get better. Perhaps someday they will reform it, but not for reasons like this guy is giving.

If you say "I am screwed if I solo and I don't have fun as solo player." CCP won't see this as a viable reason, frankly neither do I. A good reason for fixing match making is "I have 2M SP and I keep encountering people in proto gear, WTF". So if you say that then CCP will look into, and that means they might mess around with that when they have free time.

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Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 225	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:57:00 - [1] - Quote Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation.
CHIPMINT BUTTERCUP 129	Posted - 2013.11.02 20:58:00 - [2] - Quote Yes, yes it is! DUST514 Love The Dream Hate The Product Dusters - WhenGäó CCP - SoonGäó
Scheherazade VII Expert Intervention Caldari State 24	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:00:00 - [3] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. it's made the game unplayable. i'm not going to log on again until I know for sure this crap has been fixed. And I was actually getting into the game, normally I don't even play for an hour at a time, played for hours the other day but had to keep backing out of games. feels like im wasting time just trying to get into a playable game these days!! GêÜGëêDUST VIDEOSGëêGêÜ
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 226	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:03:00 - [4] - Quote It's crazy, it's almost guaranteed that if you join a match on your own you will be put on a team with everyone else who joined without a squad. And those who squad up will be the opposing team.
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:04:00 - [5] - Quote Yep. It seems so obvious to split the squads between the teams, but no...
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:06:00 - [6] - Quote Please go bump/comment on my thread about this in feedback and requests: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1451484
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 837	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:06:00 - [7] - Quote Ya I was in a match it was 10 of us vs 1 person. I was wondering why there was no one shooting at me and we had captured all objectives. So I grabbed an LAV and head into my red line to check to see who was on the other side. Only one poor soul. So I called out a militia tank and drove around to improve my skills. Just sat drove around shooting building until the enemy MCC was destroyed. They have to fix match making. Do not eat the yellow snow
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 412	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:18:00 - [8] - Quote Out of curiosity what match type are you entering? What is your general SP? Are you finding that you are facing high tier corp squads? as in they are much higher level than your toon. For me I am finding FW to be the best match type to enter at the moment. There are still a number of stomps going on but I feel that there are far fewer of them.
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 226	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:20:00 - [9] - Quote A'Real Fury wrote: Out of curiosity what match type are you entering? What is your general SP? Are you finding that you are facing high tier corp squads? as in they are much higher level than your toon. For me I am finding FW to be the best match type to enter at the moment. There are still a number of stomps going on but I feel that there are far fewer of them. Pub matches mostly, 13.5 million sp. Yes high tier corps.
Skyhound Solbrave Rough Riders.. 246	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:35:00 - [10] - Quote LMAO "Teamwork is op, nerf it" I haven't played BF4 yet, but does that have a no-squad option? If not, then this argument has absolutely no leg to stand on.

Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 226	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:43:00 - [11] - Quote Skyhound Solbrave wrote: LMAO "Teamwork is op, nerf it" I haven't played BF4 yet, but does that have a no-squad option? If not, then this argument has absolutely no leg to stand on. I think you misunderstand, but hey, if you say so bud.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 941	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:44:00 - [12] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. Translation = "Hi, I like to solo and my complaint is that nobody likes to work in squads." Also, if you side with this logic I hate your guts. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1816	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:45:00 - [13] - Quote So in a way you could say that all the solo players are ruining the game
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 202	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:47:00 - [14] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. Translation = "Hi, I like to solo and my complaint is that nobody likes to work in squads." Also, if you side with this logic I hate your guts. This has nothing to do with that. The matchmaking algorithm should still evenly distribute squads between teams. I assume you're a super cool full-squad player- wouldn't you rather fight a real fight instead of just redlining 16 randoms?
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1817	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:49:00 - [15] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. Translation = "Hi, I like to solo and my complaint is that nobody likes to work in squads." Also, if you side with this logic I hate your guts. This is pretty much the best post I've ever seen on the forums. No person that runs solo has any right to ***** about anything. I remember when the game used to automatically throw people in squads. At least then people would possibly help out a squad mate accidentally.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 942	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:56:00 - [16] - Quote Awry Barux wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. Translation = "Hi, I like to solo and my complaint is that nobody likes to work in squads." Also, if you side with this logic I hate your guts. This has nothing to do with that. The matchmaking algorithm should still evenly distribute squads between teams. I assume you're a super cool full-squad player- wouldn't you rather fight a real fight instead of just redlining 16 randoms? I am super cool with just logging in and playing. Sometimes I squad, sometimes not. I play to my strengths and nothing hurts my ego. I have about 16m in SP and about I take a beating sometimes, but hey that's life. Match making could be better. They could let us pick our matches, but they don't. They don't wanna do that. CCP believes that match making can't get better. Perhaps someday they will reform it, but not for reasons like this guy is giving. If you say "I am screwed if I solo and I don't have fun as solo player." CCP won't see this as a viable reason, frankly neither do I. A good reason for fixing match making is "I have 2M SP and I keep encountering people in proto gear, WTF". So if you say that then CCP will look into, and that means they might mess around with that when they have free time. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 227	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:57:00 - [17] - Quote Wtf are some of you ass hats on about lol, the matchmaking is not distributing the squads amongst the teams evenly resulting in one team without a single squad getting stomped by the other team full of squads.
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 942	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:58:00 - [18] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: So in a way you could say that all the solo players are ruining the game ^ This. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Severance Pay Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 943	Posted - 2013.11.02 21:59:00 - [19] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Wtf are some of you ass hats on about lol, the matchmaking is not distributing the squads amongst the teams evenly resulting in one team without a single squad getting stomped by the other team full of squads. You are complaining that you can't enjoy a comfortable solo experience because nobody else wants to make a team and that matchmaking doesn't want to put a squad in a team that doesn't want to make squads. We few, we happy few, we band of brothers; For he to-day that sheds his blood with me Shall be my brother
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 228	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:01:00 - [20] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Wtf are some of you ass hats on about lol, the matchmaking is not distributing the squads amongst the teams evenly resulting in one team without a single squad getting stomped by the other team full of squads. You are complaining that you can't enjoy a comfortable solo experience because nobody else wants to make a team and that matchmaking doesn't want to put a squad in a team that doesn't want to make squads. Wtf are you on lol

Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 583	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:18:00 - [21] - Quote so join a squad in squad finder thats why ccp wasted the time of those of us who have legit friends to play with ona reg..so you guys the scrubs would have a way to not get stomped use it and stop crying
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 204	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:21:00 - [22] - Quote Severance Pay wrote: Awry Barux wrote: Severance Pay wrote: Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. Translation = "Hi, I like to solo and my complaint is that nobody likes to work in squads." Also, if you side with this logic I hate your guts. This has nothing to do with that. The matchmaking algorithm should still evenly distribute squads between teams. I assume you're a super cool full-squad player- wouldn't you rather fight a real fight instead of just redlining 16 randoms? I am super cool with just logging in and playing. Sometimes I squad, sometimes not. I play to my strengths and nothing hurts my ego. I have about 16m in SP and about I take a beating sometimes, but hey that's life. Match making could be better. They could let us pick our matches, but they don't. They don't wanna do that. CCP believes that match making can't get better. Perhaps someday they will reform it, but not for reasons like this guy is giving. If you say "I am screwed if I solo and I don't have fun as solo player." CCP won't see this as a viable reason, frankly neither do I. A good reason for fixing match making is "I have 2M SP and I keep encountering people in proto gear, WTF". So if you say that then CCP will look into, and that means they might mess around with that when they have free time. Last I checked, a significant portion of the player base, possibly the majority, runs solo the majority of the time. The solo experience is a nontrivial part of Dust, and one that CCP would be wise to pay at least a minor amount of attention to. This issue affects both solo and squad players. I'm not asking CCP to cater to solo players- down that path lies madness and terrible game design. The issue isn't that there aren't enough squads joining games, the issue is that the matchmaker will fill one side entirely with squads, if it can, and put the vast majority of the unsquadded players on the other team. Teamwork is a critical aspect of this game, and building teams in this way practically guarantees one side a win. This is less fun for both sides- I, and I assume pretty much everyone, gets bored when they redline the enemy 3 minutes in, and gets bored of being redlined. Close battles are the most fun and exciting, and for battles to even have some semblance of balance, squads need to be divided evenly between the teams. Do you really believe that, when two 6-man elite corporation squads join a match, they should be put on the same team? Particularly if they are the only squads in the match?
Awry Barux Shining Flame Amarr Empire 204	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:23:00 - [23] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: so join a squad in squad finder thats why ccp wasted the time of those of us who have legit friends to play with ona reg..so you guys the scrubs would have a way to not get stomped use it and stop crying FFS, that's not a fix and not at all related to the problem we're talking about. Doing that will just put me on the other side of the equation, stomping all over randoms as my squad is put on the same team as super corp squads. See my earlier post: all I want is an even distribution of squads between the two sides. This will be more fun for everyone involved.
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 230	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:24:00 - [24] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: so join a squad in squad finder thats why ccp wasted the time of those of us who have legit friends to play with ona reg..so you guys the scrubs would have a way to not get stomped use it and stop crying Wow, there's some real **** heads playing this game, and your definitely one of them. Just to clarify, all I was asking get for was a matchmaking system that made good matches, two teams mixed with squads and non squads.
Sky Kage The Phoenix Federation The Ascendancy 13	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:28:00 - [25] - Quote +1 Don't know how your point is so hard for people to undersand. 16 randoms vs. 2 squads, 4 randoms is not fair. 1 squad, 10 randoms vs. 1 squad, 10 randoms is fair. Happiness is as a butterfly. when pursed it's always just beyond your grasp. but should you relax, It may alight you
Spaceman-Rob Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 230	Posted - 2013.11.02 22:34:00 - [26] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: +1 Don't know how your point is so hard for people to undersand. 16 randoms vs. 2 squads, 4 randoms is not balanced. 1 squad, 10 randoms vs. 1 squad, 10 randoms is balanced. I think some of these bone heads actually thought they were good at this game, and didn't take a min to look and see that the other team was made up completely of randoms. What makes it even more laughable is that they don their best gear to proto stomp the already disadvantaged team.
Tectonic Fusion The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 442	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:09:00 - [27] - Quote Spaceman-Rob wrote: Nearly every match I've been in today has been a team full of squads against a team with none. Fed up with it, I don't generally squad up but it would be nice to have at least one organised squad on my team to prevent complete annihilation. I wish this happened more in FW... Solo Player
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 335	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:39:00 - [28] - Quote Sky Kage wrote: +1 Don't know how your point is so hard for people to undersand. 16 randoms vs. 2 squads, 4 randoms is not balanced. 1 squad, 10 randoms vs. 1 squad, 10 randoms is balanced. Upon reading this someone at CCP probably yelled "Eureca!" and ran out into the streets of Reykjavik in his underpants. The matchmaking in public matches is, to me, the biggest issue in Dust and the solution seems really quite simple. I would like to know why CCP didn't manage to fix this yet.
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 12	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:40:00 - [29] - Quote IF you can't beat em join em -Infamous Erich
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 872	Posted - 2013.11.03 00:02:00 - [30] - Quote I only play in squads, unless there are none in the Finder at all. There's many matchmaking benefits to being in a squad. If you're solo, you can join any match with an empty slot. This means you get thrown into endless matches that are about to end. Since the team with the most slots open is most likely to be the losing team due to quitters, you have a high chance of being stuck a minute from a loss on a bad team. Likewise, if you're in a full squad it needs to find a match with 6 open slots. This is very rare, so Scotty almost always sets up a new match for you. If there are two squads in a newly formed match, there's a 50% chance they'll end up on the same team since CCP doesn't seem to try to split them up and just slaps them down. If you're flying solo when this happens, there's a 4 in 20 or 80% chance that you'll be one of the players on the opposing team since the squads took up almost all the slots on their team. So, if every match has an average of two squads, when you fly solo there's a 40% chance to end up on the wrong side against both of them, a 50% chance for the teams to be even and only a 10% chance that you'll be the one at an advantage. Now, if you're in one of the squads, it's the opposite. 50% of the time the other squad will be on your side, 50% of the time it'll be even. With three squads, 66% of the time you'll be at an advantage as a squad member and 33% of the time you'll be at a disadvantage. 28% of the time as a solo player you'll be at an advantage, while 72% of the time you'll be at a disadvantage. If we say that most games have either 2 or 3 squads in even amounts, then solo players are on a team with less squads than the opposing team 56% (most) of the time, on a team with more squads 19% of the time and on a team with an equal footing 25% of the time. TL;DR: Provided CCP isn't trying to split squads between teams, solo players are at an disadvantage squad wise over 50% of the time.



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