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Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1781	Posted - 2013.11.02 23:28:00 - [31] - Quote As long as it ain't doing godlike damage you can have anything you like in my opinion. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 1 Tryhard Veteran
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1978	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:22:00 - [32] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Haven't I seen you charging people head on with a laser rifle at close range? I know it was someone in wasteland removal but that's NOT how you use a laser rifle. You'd be surprised at how useful its hipfire is when you have no other option at close range. But yeah, lol @ run & gun laserers.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 589	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:29:00 - [33] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: Actually, I think that the LR is a great weapon. What I believe is wrong about it, it's the non-existent tier progression. There should be some better bonus for the ADV and PRO LR. But seriously, the LR itself is good. never said it was not good i said exactly what you just did the adv and proto tiers suck
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 589	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:30:00 - [34] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: laser's fine. Get an amarr assault suit. has amarian assault the amarian assault is awesome and the laser rifle is a good weapon the adv and proto's just suck
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 589	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:33:00 - [35] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Haven't I seen you charging people head on with a laser rifle at close range? I know it was someone in wasteland removal but that's NOT how you use a laser rifle. You'd be surprised at how useful its hipfire is when you have no other option at close range. But yeah, lol @ run & gun laserers. not as usefull as swapping to smg and hip firing or aiming even omg gasps aiming witha smg
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1979	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:34:00 - [36] - Quote Greasepalms wrote: laser's fine. Get an amarr assault suit. Yeah, the laser is. Now tell me about the Viziam.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 589	Posted - 2013.11.03 01:37:00 - [37] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Greasepalms wrote: laser's fine. Get an amarr assault suit. Yeah, the laser is. Now tell me about the Viziam. ooo nice retort and to the point yes tell me blue dot how usefull is a viziam? can the word usefull be attatched to the viziam? or even the elm. will you honestly spend 31x the price of the standard laser rifle just to have a stick of unstable dynamite attached to your barrel?
HYENAKILLER X TEAM SHINOBI 323	Posted - 2013.11.03 02:05:00 - [38] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear Did not read original post. What the hell else does the laser need? Here are some ideas: Nuclear explosion An angry laser bear. Dual weilding A special laser damage mod spec'd at +400 A dome sheild while firing from red zone A red zone invincability mod Sound magnification mod spec'd at +400 Can'effin wait! You are welcome for my leadership
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 811	Posted - 2013.11.03 02:21:00 - [39] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 915	Posted - 2013.11.03 02:36:00 - [40] - Quote low genius wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range. Why not both?? A wider optimal to at least 30m(instead of lol 19m) and a small range buff to at least 91m instead of the present 84m

xxwhitedevilxx M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 850	Posted - 2013.11.03 02:44:00 - [41] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: low genius wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range. Why not both?? A wider optimal to at least 30m(instead of lol 19m) and a small range buff to at least 91m instead of the present 84m That would be great n.n An unstoppable force of Rainbows. - First love-quitter in the history of video games.
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 879	Posted - 2013.11.03 04:28:00 - [42] - Quote Yes, the Laser really needs a range shift now that the Rail Rifle has taken up its range profile. CCP has said that the Rail Rifle is supposed to be longer ranged and the Laser Rifle is supposed to be medium ranged, though, so I don't think they'll increase the optimal range. CCP wrote: Rail Rifles are hybrid GÇô railgun tech and are therefore the longest range weapons in the game, followed by laser weapons. Since Rail Rifles don't have that funky reverse damage drop off, they could be more effective across all ranges. The only option I see is to increase the lower optimal range, make the drop off take longer at the end, buff the damage and lower the damage increase of the heat to 0.5 or 0.4 per shot. That way, it has greater utility, so that it's niche cannot be completely swallowed. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 602	Posted - 2013.11.03 11:28:00 - [43] - Quote low genius wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range. wider optimal would only be acceptable if it included longer range as well the laser is supposed to have a smaller effective space than most weapons. but it is all the more deadly within that effective range for it
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 602	Posted - 2013.11.03 11:30:00 - [44] - Quote xxwhitedevilxx M wrote: Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: low genius wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range. Why not both?? A wider optimal to at least 30m(instead of lol 19m) and a small range buff to at least 91m instead of the present 84m That would be great n.n this looks like a good solution to me..wider optimal range and slightly longer overall range sexy idea
DR FEB The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 18	Posted - 2013.11.03 11:33:00 - [45] - Quote laserrifle seems perfecto me... Y.O.L.U.T You Only Live Unlimited Times 'Nuff said
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 602	Posted - 2013.11.03 11:45:00 - [46] - Quote DR FEB wrote: laserrifle seems perfecto me... standard is fine...whats seems to be and what is can be entirely different when push comes to shove stats are all that matters and the stats read that the STANDARD LASER is the only one a SMART gamer would use..because the other ones have no effective benefit. and loads of huge draw backs i have no trouble killing people with my standard..i just wish the stats on the adv and proto actually made them worth using..i laugh and pity the scrubs who pull viziams out nowadays...me in pubs (expensive useless toy bro let me cost you it with a standard) :) if i kill you and your laser rifle suit using mine (which runs standard laser only) and then you swap to an elm die and then a viziam and die and then you accuse me of cheating and rage quit (this has happened 4 times this week) i have lost all respect for you because you effectively pulled a weaker more expensive suit to deal with me without even realizing it (idiot scruby ass gamers) so i felt the need to publicly point out on these forums that swapping to proto lr wont make 1 difference in a laser v laser duel really the only way laser get better is by the skill bonus..and every other weapon in this game get better through SKILLS AND GEAR lr only has SKILLS because its gear is ****
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 883	Posted - 2013.11.04 00:29:00 - [47] - Quote As others have said, using the Viziam is usually not a good idea. The average Laser Rifle user will find that the extra PG and CPU is better put to use upgrading modules, weapons or your sidearm/grenades. I'd rather have a standard Laser Rifle and advanced SMG than the reverse. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 186	Posted - 2013.11.04 02:08:00 - [48] - Quote There are a few things I'd want to see with lasers. 1. Differentiation of tier. As you've all said the Visiam isn't worth it. 2. Non-retarted falloff past optimal. Things I'd like to see but I'd reserve judgement until I've seen the new rifles and the above changes: -Longer range. -Wider optimal. -Uniform feedback damage. -Overheat mechanics that aren't frustrating. And some things that could be worth experimenting with some day (CCP could do time limited variants that they can take off the market if the change is bad): -No damage drop off at short range (it's harder to aim in CQC like the TacAR but light sabre-ing could be an issue). -Zealot variants as discussed in a thread somewhere. -All the ammo in one clip with more heat build up (so instead of managing ammo in clip you manage heat).
Dachande Anasazi Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2013.11.04 02:12:00 - [49] - Quote The whole gimmick behidn the laser rifle was the further u shoot the more dmg it did..THe closer the enemy is the less dmg u do. SO WHY IN THE WORLD...does the laser rifle have the same range as an AR...it should have a LONGER one.. I am an AR user on this character but laser rifle user on my alt Asim Anasazi
Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 186	Posted - 2013.11.04 02:41:00 - [50] - Quote For the curious here is an awesome range graph by Aeon Amadi: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=109664&find=unread

Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 885	Posted - 2013.11.04 02:44:00 - [51] - Quote Dachande Anasazi wrote: The whole gimmick behidn the laser rifle was the further u shoot the more dmg it did..THe closer the enemy is the less dmg u do. SO WHY IN THE WORLD...does the laser rifle have the same range as an AR...it should have a LONGER one.. I am an AR user on this character but laser rifle user on my alt Asim Anasazi Well, it technically has a longer optimal, even though the span is much shorter. TARs eat me alive, though, at the beginning of optimal. It's very easy to get 10m closer with a normal AR and tear a Laser Rifle a new hole. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Magnus Amadeuss Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 158	Posted - 2013.11.04 04:18:00 - [52] - Quote I actually kind of like the standard being mostly the same as the advanced and here is why; If I use an amarrian assault suit I can get away with a STD laser and fire forever... If I use a non-bonused suit I have to use the viziam in order to get decent performance out of it.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 620	Posted - 2013.11.04 10:12:00 - [53] - Quote Magnus Amadeuss wrote: I actually kind of like the standard being mostly the same as the advanced and here is why; If I use an amarrian assault suit I can get away with a STD laser and fire forever... If I use a non-bonused suit I have to use the viziam in order to get decent performance out of it. the suit is NOT supposed to make the gun..the gun is supposed to make the gun the suit is supposed to make the gun better..the gun has to be decent ..currently the only thing nice about the laser rifle is the amarian assault..if that was not in dust laser rifle would be 100% useless it is not a viable weapon proto v proto..any amarian assault proto with proto scrambler rifle will beat lr when skills are not factored in.(skills meaning gun game not sp) ..just based on gear the weapons adv and proto tiers are insufficient to the adv and proto weapons on the market..i have the amarian assault as well and i am telling you YOU SHOULD NOT NEED THE ASSAULT SUIT TO MAKE THE LR LEGIT.. if your max skills in laser the viziam should be noticeably better than the standard NO SUIT NEEDED
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 293	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:08:00 - [54] - Quote the real issue is that it being out ranged by gallente tech(short range, high dmg) I don't always use the Shotgun, but when I do I use the CRG-3
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 626	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:11:00 - [55] - Quote negative49er wrote: the real issue is that it being out ranged by gallente tech(short range, high dmg) exactly if you look at that range chart the ar does consistently higher damage over longer range almost all the weapons do
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 626	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:12:00 - [56] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: negative49er wrote: the real issue is that it being out ranged by gallente tech(short range, high dmg) exactly if you look at that range chart the ar does consistently higher damage over longer range almost all the weapons do http://i.imgur.com/krRr5EZ.png look at aeons range graph 49er
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 626	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:14:00 - [57] - Quote laser's optimum range area is 60 - 80 m and peaking between 70-80...lasers are on heavy armor type suits usually a ar user can move 10 m no problem and balm its useless and amarian and gallente suits cannot back up fast enough to save their asses ...lasers are to rushable
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 626	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:15:00 - [58] - Quote 80% of the time the way my laser assault suit works it it shreds you with laser at range as you rush me and i walk you through the terrain till i can make you see me at 15m or under and i pull my smg and nades it is too rushable
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 626	Posted - 2013.11.04 11:18:00 - [59] - Quote that optimum range should start at 80 m and end at 100m thats my fix the adv op range should be 70-90 and standard 60-80
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 628	Posted - 2013.11.04 13:09:00 - [60] - Quote bump ccp buff the elm and viziam with 1.7 or prior



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