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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:41:00 -
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ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 17:50:00 -
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Smooth Assassin wrote:It has been buffed by a new scope haha real funny and it practically has c4 strapped to the hot barrel |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:11:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Haven't I seen you charging people head on with a laser rifle at close range?
I know it was someone in wasteland removal but that's NOT how you use a laser rifle. no if i engage in close combat its with smg..although i have had the visuals of my smg and laser rifle glitched allot recently im no scrub i lay waste with my laser...the proto is just statistically useless |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:24:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:LR needs sharpshooter skill. At LR Sharpshooter 5, I should hit out to 120m. that is the exact skill when combined with 22 base dmg at the viziam lvl that made it op in the first place in chromosome no a 25% range increase skill transversal between all laser rifles would not be a fix....it would be an issue
we are looking for buffs particularly to the elm and viziam specifically over the laser rifle..the point is to give an edge to the GEAR not the skills so as to have a reason to use anything other than standard |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:37:00 -
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difference from standard to proto
we have dmg same accuracy same clip same max ammo same range same reload same price 31.48X increase heat cost 1.11x decrease (the only beneficial difference) feedback 1.5x increase pg cost 2x increase cpu 1.73x increase |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 20:43:00 -
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Crimson Judgment wrote:Alaika Arbosa wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:It has been buffed by a new scope haha real funny and it practically has c4 strapped to the hot barrel Isn't C4 stable enough to be cooked on? Either way I will agree that there should be some difference between tiers. fun fact C4 will only explode when under heat and pressure for example you can jump on a brick of C4 and catch another on fire but they won't go off until both conditions are met wow thats cool yeah i dont know much about official explosives...ok how about this...the lase rifle has an old and already glisterin leaking stick of unstable dynamite attached to its barrel |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:02:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Vell0cet wrote:LR needs sharpshooter skill. At LR Sharpshooter 5, I should hit out to 120m. that is the exact skill when combined with 22 base dmg at the viziam lvl that made it op in the first place in chromosome no a 25% range increase skill transversal between all laser rifles would not be a fix....it would be an issue we are looking for buffs particularly to the elm and viziam specifically over the laser rifle..the point is to give an edge to the GEAR not the skills so as to have a reason to use anything other than standard I disagree. It was the base dmg that was the problem in Chromosome. 120m is a reasonable range for a long range weapon. Currently, complex damage mod stacked Duvolle ARs can kill you when they're in your optimal, and the AR is a blaster (I.e. short range). Beam lasers are supposed to be long range weapons. 120m would allow you to out-range ARs, SRs etc while still being extremely vulnerable when < 25m or so. We didn't have duvolles with pinpoint accuracy butchering people before they can react at crazy ranges in chromosome. If we did I don't think the LR would have been considered OP. If they want to differentiate the versions, I would think even slower heat buildup would be good, as would increased clips. Keep the damage where it is. i did not disagree with a range buff nor did i say that 120m was unreasonable i just said that what we want is an improvement to the GEAR not a skill that just makes the laser in general better standard laser is FINE i hopped on earlier ran 22/0 standard amarian assault standard laser...but the adv and proto laser rifles needs an advantage over the standard..a 25 % range increase skill will not solve this because it would just buff the abilities of all the laser rifles... its an equipment improvement im asking for not a skill adjustment the skills are fine.
the viziam needs to better than the standard and a skill isnt what should do it. all the other light weapons protos have significant differences that are beneficial lr is the only one that does not |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:05:00 -
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Severance Pay wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Vell0cet wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Vell0cet wrote:LR needs sharpshooter skill. At LR Sharpshooter 5, I should hit out to 120m. that is the exact skill when combined with 22 base dmg at the viziam lvl that made it op in the first place in chromosome no a 25% range increase skill transversal between all laser rifles would not be a fix....it would be an issue we are looking for buffs particularly to the elm and viziam specifically over the laser rifle..the point is to give an edge to the GEAR not the skills so as to have a reason to use anything other than standard I disagree. It was the base dmg that was the problem in Chromosome. 120m is a reasonable range for a long range weapon. Currently, complex damage mod stacked Duvolle ARs can kill you when they're in your optimal, and the AR is a blaster (I.e. short range). Beam lasers are supposed to be long range weapons. 120m would allow you to out-range ARs, SRs etc while still being extremely vulnerable when < 25m or so. We didn't have duvolles with pinpoint accuracy butchering people before they can react at crazy ranges in chromosome. If we did I don't think the LR would have been considered OP. If they want to differentiate the versions, I would think even slower heat buildup would be good, as would increased clips. Keep the damage where it is. i did not disagree with a range buff nor did i say that 120m was unreasonable i just said that what we want is an improvement to the GEAR not a skill that just makes the laser in general better standard laser is FINE i hopped on earlier ran 22/0 standard amarian assault standard laser...but the adv and proto laser rifles needs an advantage over the standard..a 25 % range increase skill will not solve this because it would just buff the abilities of all the laser rifles... its an equipment improvement im asking for not a skill adjustment the skills are fine. Here you go morte. Enjoy. aww see thats what im talking about clearly the top one is higher lvl than the lower one |
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Posted - 2013.11.02 22:06:00 -
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progression things are supposed to get better as they get more expensive..they are also supposed to look cooler and be shiny..ccp come fix this crapola
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:29:00 -
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Keri Starlight wrote:Actually, I think that the LR is a great weapon.
What I believe is wrong about it, it's the non-existent tier progression. There should be some better bonus for the ADV and PRO LR.
But seriously, the LR itself is good. never said it was not good i said exactly what you just did the adv and proto tiers suck |
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:30:00 -
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Greasepalms wrote:laser's fine.
Get an amarr assault suit. has amarian assault the amarian assault is awesome and the laser rifle is a good weapon the adv and proto's just suck |
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:33:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Haven't I seen you charging people head on with a laser rifle at close range?
I know it was someone in wasteland removal but that's NOT how you use a laser rifle. You'd be surprised at how useful its hipfire is when you have no other option at close range. But yeah, lol @ run & gun laserers. not as usefull as swapping to smg and hip firing or aiming even omg gasps aiming witha smg |
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Posted - 2013.11.03 01:37:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Greasepalms wrote:laser's fine.
Get an amarr assault suit. Yeah, the laser is. Now tell me about the Viziam. ooo nice retort and to the point yes tell me blue dot how usefull is a viziam? can the word usefull be attatched to the viziam? or even the elm.
will you honestly spend 31x the price of the standard laser rifle just to have a stick of unstable dynamite attached to your barrel? |
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Posted - 2013.11.03 11:28:00 -
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low genius wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range. wider optimal would only be acceptable if it included longer range as well the laser is supposed to have a smaller effective space than most weapons. but it is all the more deadly within that effective range for it |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.11.03 11:30:00 -
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xxwhitedevilxx M wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:low genius wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear I would prefer a wider optimal compared to a longer range. Why not both?? A wider optimal to at least 30m(instead of lol 19m) and a small range buff to at least 91m instead of the present 84m That would be great n.n this looks like a good solution to me..wider optimal range and slightly longer overall range sexy idea |
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Posted - 2013.11.03 11:45:00 -
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DR FEB wrote:laserrifle seems perfecto me...
standard is fine...whats seems to be and what is can be entirely different when push comes to shove stats are all that matters and the stats read that the STANDARD LASER is the only one a SMART gamer would use..because the other ones have no effective benefit.
and loads of huge draw backs
i have no trouble killing people with my standard..i just wish the stats on the adv and proto actually made them worth using..i laugh and pity the scrubs who pull viziams out nowadays...me in pubs (expensive useless toy bro let me cost you it with a standard) :)
if i kill you and your laser rifle suit using mine (which runs standard laser only) and then you swap to an elm die and then a viziam and die and then you accuse me of cheating and rage quit (this has happened 4 times this week) i have lost all respect for you because you effectively pulled a weaker more expensive suit to deal with me without even realizing it (idiot scruby ass gamers)
so i felt the need to publicly point out on these forums that swapping to proto lr wont make 1 difference in a laser v laser duel
really the only way laser get better is by the skill bonus..and every other weapon in this game get better through SKILLS AND GEAR lr only has SKILLS because its gear is **** |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 10:12:00 -
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Magnus Amadeuss wrote:I actually kind of like the standard being mostly the same as the advanced and here is why;
If I use an amarrian assault suit I can get away with a STD laser and fire forever...
If I use a non-bonused suit I have to use the viziam in order to get decent performance out of it. the suit is NOT supposed to make the gun..the gun is supposed to make the gun the suit is supposed to make the gun better..the gun has to be decent ..currently the only thing nice about the laser rifle is the amarian assault..if that was not in dust laser rifle would be 100% useless it is not a viable weapon proto v proto..any amarian assault proto with proto scrambler rifle will beat lr when skills are not factored in.(skills meaning gun game not sp) ..just based on gear the weapons adv and proto tiers are insufficient to the adv and proto weapons on the market..i have the amarian assault as well and i am telling you YOU SHOULD NOT NEED THE ASSAULT SUIT TO MAKE THE LR LEGIT..
if your max skills in laser the viziam should be noticeably better than the standard NO SUIT NEEDED |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:11:00 -
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negative49er wrote:the real issue is that it being out ranged by gallente tech(short range, high dmg) exactly if you look at that range chart the ar does consistently higher damage over longer range almost all the weapons do |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:12:00 -
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Mortedeamor wrote:negative49er wrote:the real issue is that it being out ranged by gallente tech(short range, high dmg) exactly if you look at that range chart the ar does consistently higher damage over longer range almost all the weapons do http://i.imgur.com/krRr5EZ.png look at aeons range graph 49er |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:14:00 -
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laser's optimum range area is 60 - 80 m and peaking between 70-80...lasers are on heavy armor type suits usually a ar user can move 10 m no problem and balm its useless and amarian and gallente suits cannot back up fast enough to save their asses ...lasers are to rushable |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:15:00 -
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80% of the time the way my laser assault suit works it it shreds you with laser at range as you rush me and i walk you through the terrain till i can make you see me at 15m or under and i pull my smg and nades it is too rushable |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 11:18:00 -
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that optimum range should start at 80 m and end at 100m thats my fix
the adv op range should be 70-90 and standard 60-80 |
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Posted - 2013.11.04 13:09:00 -
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bump ccp buff the elm and viziam with 1.7 or prior |
Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.11.05 10:14:00 -
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Saxbrin Shain wrote:I wouldn't mind a range bonus across all tiers, but at the very least there needs to be some incentive for me to use the higher-level Laser Rifles. I've never even fit a Proto because the downsides outweigh the sole benefit. I don't have an overheat problem. i agree neither do i..and all my amarian assaults run standard lr..sad soo sad |
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Posted - 2013.11.06 13:19:00 -
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shameless bump |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 13:06:00 -
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bump |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 16:07:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Give the weapon some crystal variants like they have in EVE. Infrared laser that hits out to 150m or so, but does like 40% of its normal damage.
Just enough to really annoy the hell out of people. omfg i love u i dont play eve but that sounds awesome crystal common ccp crystals maybe one that shortens its range and upps dmg as well |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:01:00 -
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Poplo Furuya wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Give the weapon some crystal variants like they have in EVE. Infrared laser that hits out to 150m or so, but does like 40% of its normal damage.
Just enough to really annoy the hell out of people. omfg i love u i dont play eve but that sounds awesome crystal common ccp crystals maybe one that shortens its range and upps dmg as well The real reason to push this agenda is variable beam colours. Mix it up within an Amarri squad and make those infidels taste the rainbow. lol +1 |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:11:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:Smooth Assassin wrote:It has been buffed by a new scope It was denerfed from the addition of iron sights you mean? thats exactly what he means. |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:21:00 -
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Flix Keptick wrote:I think the near overheat damage should be brought back to where it was back in chromosome. It won't be nearly as op as it was simply because it will now lack the sharpshooter skill's insane range addition. It's also the only way it will survive against rail rifles... Make it a special weapon again CCP, a futuristic weapon like the game advertises. It would be a nice change from the contemporary piece of crap that is the assault rifle (futuristic game my ass) i agree |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:31:00 -
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Green Living wrote:Primary Laser Rifle user BUMP. I have recently started skilling into AR so soon I will no longer care about this thread or all the SP I put into the LR (prof 5) ditto but skilling into scrambler shameless bump |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 17:40:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Vell0cet wrote:LR needs sharpshooter skill. At LR Sharpshooter 5, I should hit out to 120m. I dropped a guy at 141 and some change. With only level three in LR and no or few support skills in the branch. I don't remember the suit fit but it was an advanced level 3 Amarr assault and an ELM, pushed to overheat. I stopped putting SP into that skill with the iron sight and when I learned that there is no difference in the tiers, I have a Templar BPO that I use now. It works and looks good. that should not tek be possible lr doesnt have any effect that far if it does they guy musta been at like 1hp |
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Posted - 2013.11.24 22:03:00 -
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bump |
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Posted - 2013.11.25 12:09:00 -
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bumps |
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Posted - 2013.11.26 11:42:00 -
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bump |
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Posted - 2013.11.26 13:25:00 -
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Svaknai wrote:I mainly use the laser rifle because it is so attractive as a weapon with all the drawbacks surrounding it, but what annoys me recently is that when the dev postrd updates about ALL the rifles new ranges, they never once spoke of the laser rifle which also has the name "rifle" in it.
Will it be getting a range buff like the assault rifle or the scrambler? or will it remain the same?
I will go with what it becomes either way but would appreciate it being included in the dev posts just so we all know. no come 1.7 it will become a obsolete weapon ..pretty yes but useless..ps i use lr because it looks cooll 2= the only reason |
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:14:00 -
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bump |
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Posted - 2013.12.20 14:21:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:Svaknai wrote:I mainly use the laser rifle because it is so attractive as a weapon with all the drawbacks surrounding it, but what annoys me recently is that when the dev postrd updates about ALL the rifles new ranges, they never once spoke of the laser rifle which also has the name "rifle" in it.
Will it be getting a range buff like the assault rifle or the scrambler? or will it remain the same?
I will go with what it becomes either way but would appreciate it being included in the dev posts just so we all know. no come 1.7 it will become a obsolete weapon ..pretty yes but useless..ps i use lr because it looks cooll 2= the only reason Well I gota say now that 1.7 is hear you called it
well thank you and i must say i am just tickled fancy that i was right about my favorite weapon being obsolete common ccp fix this |
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Posted - 2013.12.23 12:54:00 -
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bump
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:01:00 -
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bump
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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Posted - 2014.01.11 19:16:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Mortedeamor wrote:ccp please extend the adv laser rifle optimum range from 84 to 94 and the proto from 84 to 104 to account for the lack of benefit through higher end gear with the laser rifle
or extend the clip from 100 to 125 for adv and 100 to 150 for proto
i would prefer the range buff through higher end gear What about the damage? no absolutely not only range dmg would be a bad idea and would make lr op
Im puerto rican we rage deal with it
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