your post has ZERO relevance to a discussion on tank SPEED
learn to READ.............scrub.

distance 150 m
madrugar outran swarms

speeder fit soma or madrugar can out run a lav and swarms for five to seven seconds



fast tanks are a reality

the same as basic laser 84m elm 84m viziam laser 84m

games unbalanced

Yet tankers complain when one proto forge gunner makes them run or destroys their poorly fitted STD or MLT tank.

Can't have it both ways.

I can definitely see the point that AV should be able to kill tanks, but it should not be a simple job for a single Merc to destroy a tank. Proto heavy AV (ie, Heavy AV weapons like Forge Guns and future heavy weapons) should definitely be a massive threat to Standard and Advanced level tanks, which is why it's currently an imbalance issue: there is no counter to Prototype AV, because vehicles only have access to low-/mid-level hulls.

This is why the ground-up rework of both vehicles and AV is a good things. Sure, the swarm change will hurt for the month or so until 1.7, but not as much as every DS pilot has felt when they've been destroyed with impunity by an advanced Swarmer from half a planet away because their entire payload connects before you can reasonably react and get into cover.

To respond to your post more succinctly, poorly fit and/or STD/MLT vehicles should die to fairly decent Prototype AVers without much fuss: if they're using badly optimised vehicles then they should go down easily! If, however, you're looking at a full decked out Advanced/Prototype tank versus a good Prototype AV merc, you should be having a pretty back and forth duel: the AVer should be able to threaten the tanker but not immediately wipe it from the battlefield. Conversely, the Prototype tanker should be able to threaten their chosen target (ie, anti-personnel turrets should be extremely dominating when pitted against groups of infantry; anti-vehicle turrets should be powerful versus vehicles) and able to withstand STD/ADV AV reasonably well but must be threatened into caution by Prototype AV lest they get ambushed.

With the 1.7 change in how Hardeners/Reps, etc work, we should see periods of incredible power but also periods of incredible vulnerability (relatively speaking) - my only concern is the potential stacking of defensive modules (mostly looking at Hardeners) and being able to have one active while a second cools down. But that will be something to examine and discuss when 1.7 drops.

Remove redline. Add countermeasures.

This is one of the reasons why swarm range is getting nerfed in the first place. (All credit goes to Judge Rhadamanthus)

While I have no opinion either way on the swarm changes, one thing I would like to note is that the images Judge used to show the swarm ranges are a bit misleading. They would be accurate if the swarm user was at the same altitude as the dropship. The effective range on swarms will be shorter since dropships have a tendency to stay above ground level (as long as there are no forge gunners about).

LOL inaccurate? There's nothing saying the range is only in a flat circle. The range is in half a sphere.

He showed two images showing a circle of the swarm ranges before and after the change then referred to them as the area the swarm could defend which is not entirely true if the dropship is at a different altitude than the swarm user.

After calculating out different heights, it doesn't make too great of a change, but it is still something to note.

You're still ignoring the height. It seems like you still believe swarms can only lock on in a flat circle.

Relinquish your membership in the Flat Earth Society and join the 21st century.

Lies

A HAV cannot outrun a swarm launcher

The only way it may look like it outrunned it is because you were 380m away and the swarms time out at 400m and all the tank had to do was back up

Also you tried to solo it like a scrub does, for best results use 2 ppl because it isnt hard

The swarm changes will take effect when the vehicle pass is deployed, not before.

But it would be nice to have modified AV with current tanks for just a week before we get the reworked vehicles. Just one week for AV to see what it's been like through multiple builds of them complaining they can't solo vehicles with their ARs. Just one week.

This is one of the reasons why swarm range is getting nerfed in the first place. (All credit goes to Judge Rhadamanthus)

just did a faction warfare
cbr advanced swarms versus madrugar driven by Fusilador from Corp Armada Hispana

results were Fusilador from Corp Armada Hispana 22 kills with ZERO deaths and a mad tech ohm.

why??

the madrugar was OUTRUNNING the swarms.

so when the swarms range is cut then forget about using swarms for AV.

and guess what??

not putting up with two months of tanks going 50 kills with ZERO deaths when 1.7 hits.

deleting Dust 514 in a few days.

see ya maybe in 2014??

just did a faction warfare
cbr advanced swarms versus madrugar driven by Fusilador from Corp Armada Hispana

results were Fusilador from Corp Armada Hispana 22 kills with ZERO deaths and a mad tech ohm.

why??

the madrugar was OUTRUNNING the swarms.

so when the swarms range is cut then forget about using swarms for AV.

and guess what??

not putting up with two months of tanks going 50 kills with ZERO deaths when 1.7 hits.

deleting Dust 514 in a few days.

see ya maybe in 2014??

If that were to happen, make swarms into tow missiles so you have to manually track a target.