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CCP LogicLoop wrote:

Aeon Amadi wrote:

Excellent blog. Loved the more 'hand-drawn' feel to the map pathing to show the common viewer how the process works.

One thing I would like to say though is that there are still instances where snipers can make continual headshots or have significant advantages in certain areas. Manus Peak, the team starting on the south side can field a sniper and have a direct line-of-sight on Alpha from the start of the map directly from their redline and can keep the northern team off of the objective for as long as he has ammunition.

Another instance that I've seen is that in some cases a clever sniper will deploy a vehicle of some description in a small dip in the map in their redline, giving him total and complete cover from all sides (one from the LAV, two from the terrain) that he would be fired from - the rest being too far into the redline to make a difference. The only way to remove this threat (being as he has direct line of sight with anyone who would try to kill him) will often always be an orbital strike. This is both a combination of game design mechanics and terrain tying into one another.

None more notorious is the Orbital Artillery Outpost's 'Forge Tower', which being linked to the Cargo Hub infrastructure in PC will almost always be the play the is run in every match. The first team to get a dropship to the tower has Alpha permanently covered, and a large portion of the rest of the outpost as well - often times the opposing team is unable to rid them off of the tower due to the forge gun taking out dropships (the only way to get up there) unless with an orbital strike, being the only 100% efficient means.

With that out of the way, I would like to say that you guys are doing a great job so far and the Gallente Research Facility is especially fun as it allows for more intense, close quarters combat and I always have fun when I play it. Looking forward to what you guys put out and definitely hoping to see more of that.

..... but I'm still convinced that the outposts should reflect the racial playstyle! Big smile

You are talking about areas that are far behind our current standards. We will eventually address them. Manus Peak is a great example of how we do NOT want to make battlefield areas any more. Orbital Artillery is being re-designed entirely (as we speak, I am on it). Production Facility will soon be coming your way. OWN IT!

Big smile

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SILVERBACK 02 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 245	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:33:00 - [31] - Quote CCP Stiffneck wrote: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: IN B4 ANYONE ELSE! water!!!!! OCEAN!! HIT THE BEACH ;) We MIGHT have WATER in the future but we currently don't have mechanics to support this feature. So relax~~ you absolute tease ;) "once more into the fray, into the last good battle il ever know, live and die on this day, live and die in this day"
Tallen Ellecon KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 792	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:36:00 - [32] - Quote The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. The Ellecon's come from a long line of Gallente. Tarn chose Peace. Tallen chose war.
Avinash Decker Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 83	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:40:00 - [33] - Quote I was asking CCP logicloop about map design , all the stuff takes up a lot of memory including terrain , so because that and budget they couldn't do certain things. I asked if it's possible to make a map that is smaller , but have more unique aspects that doesn't appear on the larger maps(like better textures , movable objects , etc. Although he didn't say these specific things are possible these are some examples I just thought of now.) he said they can , but it is not part of the future plan. I asked a question( at a much later date ) , but CCP logicloop hasn't answer yet . Is it possible to test a small map and see how much you guys can do with it?

CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 1173	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:42:00 - [34] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. Skyboxes we refer to as "moods". They are actually a separate level that is streamed in. They are working on more. Don't worry. We know we have a lot of various planet types and day / night cycles and scenarios to cover.


CCP Stiffneck C C P C C P Alliance 61	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:48:00 - [35] - Quote Tallen Ellecon wrote: The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. I think you are talking about "mood guys". Actually in most time there is only one guy working on all moods. Don't worry, there will be more moods come out.


CCP Stiffneck C C P C C P Alliance 61	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:48:00 - [36] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. Skyboxes we refer to as "moods". They are actually a separate level that is streamed in. They are working on more. Don't worry. We know we have a lot of various planet types and day / night cycles and scenarios to cover. Oops


CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 1173	Posted - 2013.11.01 05:57:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Stiffneck wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. Skyboxes we refer to as "moods". They are actually a separate level that is streamed in. They are working on more. Don't worry. We know we have a lot of various planet types and day / night cycles and scenarios to cover. Oops I'll take my leave and let you take care of this thread Mr Stiffneck. hehe


CCP Stiffneck C C P C C P Alliance 62	Posted - 2013.11.01 06:09:00 - [38] - Quote Avinash Decker wrote: I was asking CCP logicloop about map design , all the stuff takes up a lot of memory including terrain , so because that and budget they couldn't do certain things. I asked if it's possible to make a map that is smaller , but have more unique aspects that doesn't appear on the larger maps(like better textures , movable objects , etc. Although he didn't say these specific things are possible these are some examples I just thought of now.) he said they can , but it is not part of the future plan. I asked a question( at a much later date ) , but CCP logicloop hasn't answer yet . Is it possible to test a small map and see how much you guys can do with it? Smaller terrain will have some help on budget, but not too much. The density of objects is more important. You can tell the difference from Manus Peak and Border Gulch. We had some improvement and we'll keep doing this. Moving stuff is very cool. But if you can throw bullets on them, synchronize between server and client could be a problem. Maybe some programmers can answer you. Personally, I'd like to have destructible environment first.

SponkSponkSponk The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 458	Posted - 2013.11.01 06:17:00 - [39] - Quote CCP Stiffneck wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Skyboxes we refer to as "moods". They are actually a separate level that is streamed in. They are working on more. Don't worry. We know we have a lot of various planet types and day / night cycles and scenarios to cover. Oops day/night cycles confirmed estimated time to delivery: right after all racial suits and vehicles. "Pulvis et umbra sumus. (We are but dust and shadow.)" GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
Heinz Doofenshertz BetaMax. 572	Posted - 2013.11.01 06:27:00 - [40] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: CCP Stiffneck wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. Skyboxes we refer to as "moods". They are actually a separate level that is streamed in. They are working on more. Don't worry. We know we have a lot of various planet types and day / night cycles and scenarios to cover. Oops I'll take my leave and let you take care of this thread Mr Stiffneck. hehe Why have you not logged into IRC in 4 days sir. Dust514 Stats, Have you updated today? I do maths, and sit in a corner.


CCP LogicLoop C C P C C P Alliance 1175	Posted - 2013.11.01 07:03:00 - [41] - Quote Heinz Doofenshertz wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: CCP Stiffneck wrote: CCP LogicLoop wrote: Tallen Ellecon wrote: The socket system is great. Keep adding maps and sockets and we might have enough diversity to have each district be unique. I don't know if the map guys are the same as the skybox guys but I'd like to see way more skyboxes. Skyboxes we refer to as "moods". They are actually a separate level that is streamed in. They are working on more. Don't worry. We know we have a lot of various planet types and day / night cycles and scenarios to cover. Oops I'll take my leave and let you take care of this thread Mr Stiffneck. hehe Why have you not logged into IRC in 4 days sir. Busy

Robert Conway Concordiat Mercenaries 29	Posted - 2013.11.01 07:25:00 - [42] - Quote I was wondering when we will be seeing other environmental things such as trees, rain, a blizzard, hail, or different kinds of flowers to stomp on and run over? Also water, but I realize the water one has already been addressed. Maybe fallen dead trees for cover, or plums of smoke, or dust. Like if you shoot the sand a cloud of smoke appears. Could make for more dynamic game play and strategy for cover. Plus anything else upcoming that has to do with new content coming to terrain would be much appreciated.
Vin Vicious Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 570	Posted - 2013.11.01 07:35:00 - [43] - Quote Hey stiffy you may want to review a couple maps after this comment "By contrast, players are completely defenseless while hacking objectives. Because there is such a high chance of being killed while hacking, those positions must be well protected. There should not be a direct line of sight from any point on the map which could allow for a sniper to make continual headshots." Also, well were on the subjects of maps what's the eta of allowing us to shoot in and out of null cannons
steadyhand amarr MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1659	Posted - 2013.11.01 08:32:00 - [44] - Quote I like how everyone just missed destructible terrain comment?! Are that actual plans for that?? "my faith is my shield, the empress's light my guide and my fury my sword"
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 866	Posted - 2013.11.01 08:40:00 - [45] - Quote I guess i will not fight anymore if i can go to the beach "Just another piece of duct tape" Equality Event
Kailee Admiral HUN Corp Infantry 0	Posted - 2013.11.01 09:32:00 - [46] - Quote i was in a closed beta test period, when the big map, constantly impossible to conquer. Starting from one corner to another. had several components. every unit had to perform some task. notably be something to blow up, etc.. if it was lifted, the portion of the map. I think this was a perfect solution for large maps, compared it disappeared. If you would you back in the game, it would be a whole lot more enjoyable and would kil using the large map
POWERTRAP EDDIEKANEJR Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.11.01 09:36:00 - [47] - Quote We all already know what goes into map designs it's the same in every fps. What I don't understand is why after almost 2years of dust these maps are all you have We just now got the new maps not long ago. After 2yrs maps should just be pumped outta CCP you guys should have that many map designs by now. I think this blog is to distract us from 1.6 and what may be lacking in 1.7 should we expect the worse? Oh yeah you discontinued the best map so y bother
Ferocitan Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 90	Posted - 2013.11.01 10:45:00 - [48] - Quote Water! First thing that cought my eye. Can we drown? Or do our suits have some breathing capabilities?
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 355	Posted - 2013.11.01 11:05:00 - [49] - Quote vaulting over rails and waist high barriers needs to happen. i would also be in favor of a crawl mechanic that puts my weapon away so i can scale a steep hill if needed. button prompt of course.
keira hime immoral planet kaisers 3	Posted - 2013.11.01 11:14:00 - [50] - Quote I love the maps, however I am wondering if these are going to be the standard for large battlefields will there be more maps later that actually make vehicle use mandatory(IE 100km maps), give us pilots and drivers a more integral use in battle instead of a joy ride system that gets shot out of the sky with little to no warning. or will the maps eventually be connected so while on planet you can fight much larger battles instead of the current small isolated skirmishes. Basically I'm asking when can we expect to start seeing epic sized battles like in eve.

Disturbingly Bored The Strontium Asylum 948	Posted - 2013.11.01 12:02:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Stiffneck wrote: Personally, I'd like to have destructible environment first. Again: I think most people would agree with me, it'd be great to solve a tower-camping-forge-gunner problem by demolishing the entire tower itself. Destruction, yes please. ¶Gêƒ__ Gò« Gû¿GûêGûêGûêGòáGëíGëíGëíGû¬ « GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GÇó GåÆFAT GATGåÉ pÇûGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûôGûæpÇùForum Warrior LV 0 (900/1000XP) ¯Gò¦pÇôpÇù
Dimitri Rascolovitch The Immortal Knights 62	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:30:00 - [52] - Quote Disturbingly Bored wrote: CCP Stiffneck wrote: Personally, I'd like to have destructible environment first. Again: I think most people would agree with me, it'd be great to solve a tower-camping-forge-gunner problem by demolishing the entire tower itself. Destruction, yes please. one could make GREAT use of the frost bite engine, 2 or 3 would do admirably Heavys will trudge on until eventually they are a playable class again, heavy weapon and all.
TheDarthMa94 The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 3	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:30:00 - [53] - Quote Please make a jungle map with lots of tall grass and trees!
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. 3589	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:56:00 - [54] - Quote CCP Stiffneck wrote: SILVERBACK 02 wrote: IN B4 ANYONE ELSE! water!!!!! OCEAN!! HIT THE BEACH ;) We MIGHT have WATER in the future but we currently don't have mechanics to support this feature. So relax~~ Precursor note: I know all of this is in the far future and just spit-balling here. I would much prefer that we retain the lore of New Eden in that oceanic bases are underwater on the surface of the ocean floor - which would definitely save you guys a lot of work since you don't have to account for actual water traversal for infantry and the like. Submarine vehicles would be cool and a hell of a lot of fun as well - unique in their own environment. When I Alpha Tested 'Nations at War' for Battlefield 2, one of the things they did was pretty much copy/pasted the air vehicle mechanics to the submarine they designed. Worked well enough - infantry and vehicles couldn't go beneath the surface of the water but the submarines could. .... then again they could also fly.... ANYWAY..! Beaches would be kinda cool but you could just keep the insta-death mechanics that you normally see in FPS games or have them adhere to the surface of the water. No real reason to introduce a lot of dev-time on a swimming mechanic, imo.... We are wearing an armored suit, after all. ANON Diplomat // 3rd Place Winner of the Eight Thousand Suns Fiction Contest
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 877	Posted - 2013.11.01 13:58:00 - [55] - Quote So how much work would it take to start special matches where the whole 5x5 km is open, with or without sockets filled? I want to LAV race~
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 1478	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:20:00 - [56] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Excellent blog. Loved the more 'hand-drawn' feel to the map pathing to show the common viewer how the process works. One thing I would like to say though is that there are still instances where snipers can make continual headshots or have significant advantages in certain areas. Manus Peak, the team starting on the south side can field a sniper and have a direct line-of-sight on Alpha from the start of the map directly from their redline and can keep the northern team off of the objective for as long as he has ammunition. Another instance that I've seen is that in some cases a clever sniper will deploy a vehicle of some description in a small dip in the map in their redline, giving him total and complete cover from all sides (one from the LAV, two from the terrain) that he would be fired from - the rest being too far into the redline to make a difference. The only way to remove this threat (being as he has direct line of sight with anyone who would try to kill him) will often always be an orbital strike. This is both a combination of game design mechanics and terrain tying into one another. None more notorious is the Orbital Artillery Outpost's 'Forge Tower', which being linked to the Cargo Hub infrastructure in PC will almost always be the play the is run in every match. The first team to get a dropship to the tower has Alpha permanently covered, and a large portion of the rest of the outpost as well - often times the opposing team is unable to rid them off of the tower due to the forge gun taking out dropships (the only way to get up there) unless with an orbital strike, being the only 100% efficient means. With that out of the way, I would like to say that you guys are doing a great job so far and the Gallente Research Facility is especially fun as it allows for more intense, close quarters combat and I always have fun when I play it. Looking forward to what you guys put out and definitely hoping to see more of that. ..... but I'm still convinced that the outposts should reflect the racial playstyle! You are talking about areas that are far behind our current standards. We will eventually address them. Manus Peak is a great example of how we do NOT want to make battlefield areas any more. Orbital Artillery is being re-designed entirely (as we speak, I am on it). Production Facility will soon be coming your way. OWN IT! Manis Peak definitely does not fit your current map design standards, but it does provide a nice contrast. I vote that you leave it as is. You can take Alpha by having 2 or 3 people hacking at the same time, or you can have your sniper counter snipe the other guy. The more recent maps donGÇÖt favour snipers at all, so it would be good to leave a few maps in the rotation that do favour snipers. Once you know where the snipers usually are in Manis Peak you can keep rocks or buildings between you and them most of the time. ____________________________________________________________________________ Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013. Immortal Guides, supporting knowledge dissemination in New Eden since August 31, 2013.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL The Ascendancy 345	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:46:00 - [57] - Quote My biggest gripe about current maps is "sticky" terrain - areas of the map where it feels as if you are wading through a pool of tar. Check the big hump of a hill outside of the CRU on the "mushroom" city map to see what I mean. Also, the crow's nest/mezzanine area on Ashland. These are clear terrain bugs that need to be smoothed out as getting caught in them can spell certain death for you in some situations.
Olomo Daygon ZionTCD Public Disorder. 17	Posted - 2013.11.01 15:55:00 - [58] - Quote CCP LogicLoop wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: Excellent blog. Loved the more 'hand-drawn' feel to the map pathing to show the common viewer how the process works. One thing I would like to say though is that there are still instances where snipers can make continual headshots or have significant advantages in certain areas. Manus Peak, the team starting on the south side can field a sniper and have a direct line-of-sight on Alpha from the start of the map directly from their redline and can keep the northern team off of the objective for as long as he has ammunition. Another instance that I've seen is that in some cases a clever sniper will deploy a vehicle of some description in a small dip in the map in their redline, giving him total and complete cover from all sides (one from the LAV, two from the terrain) that he would be fired from - the rest being too far into the redline to make a difference. The only way to remove this threat (being as he has direct line of sight with anyone who would try to kill him) will often always be an orbital strike. This is both a combination of game design mechanics and terrain tying into one another. None more notorious is the Orbital Artillery Outpost's 'Forge Tower', which being linked to the Cargo Hub infrastructure in PC will almost always be the play the is run in every match. The first team to get a dropship to the tower has Alpha permanently covered, and a large portion of the rest of the outpost as well - often times the opposing team is unable to rid them off of the tower due to the forge gun taking out dropships (the only way to get up there) unless with an orbital strike, being the only 100% efficient means. With that out of the way, I would like to say that you guys are doing a great job so far and the Gallente Research Facility is especially fun as it allows for more intense, close quarters combat and I always have fun when I play it. Looking forward to what you guys put out and definitely hoping to see more of that. ..... but I'm still convinced that the outposts should reflect the racial playstyle! You are talking about areas that are far behind our current standards. We will eventually address them. Manus Peak is a great example of how we do NOT want to make battlefield areas any more. Orbital Artillery is being re-designed entirely (as we speak, I am on it). Production Facility will soon be coming your way. OWN IT! Why CCP? I like this map! I have been on winning sides from both sides of the map... Pleas don't kill this...
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 543	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:31:00 - [59] - Quote I believe when null-sec comes around, maps wouldn't have to be so balanced >.>. Ideal locations and specific terrain should make district maps something to really consider when buying/capturing them.
Marlon S Pike Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 0	Posted - 2013.11.01 16:53:00 - [60] - Quote If you do destructable batlefields would it be possible to have game modes/bonus based around the level of destruction caused - maybe tie in with PC so you get some benefit for capturing map intact or for sabotaging it ?



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