DUST Search - shifting the idea of AV to match future dust vehicles

THUNDERGROOVE wrote:

Delta 749 wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

THUNDERGROOVE wrote:

Cody Sietz wrote:

Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down?

Uhh.

"Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me"

Wait what?

Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ******* idiotic

Not really and it's not that hard.
In fact, the new maps make it quite easy. What most people don't understand is that the tankers that are still around, getting 20+/0-1 are quite skilled at what they do, have 15+ million SP into them, and even they still loose tanks. Some of them have been around since before a lot of you have been playing. Despite getting nerf after nerf they still play.

What I'm getting at is someone with a 28K swarm launcher should never solo a tank
Someone with a 47K assault forge shouldn't either.

Two swarmers, maybe if the tanker messes something up. But currently it's **** that one guy who spent under a million SP can **** on one guys game. This coming from someone who has little experience in a tank. I'm infantry, who wants actual balance across all roles.

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knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 521	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:45:00 - [1] - Quote everyone uses swarms to measure tanks against but what if swarms aren't meant to take out tanks? obviously we've all grown comfortable with the idea of swarms being an anti tank weapon, but what if they aren't? the swarm launcher is a light weapon then it follows that a light av weapon destroys light vehicles (lavs/ds) and a heavy av weapon takes out heavy vehicles. BREAKDOWN: heavy vehicles - heavy av is the direct counter, high sp/isk requirement. rarest on the battlefield medium vehicles - not yet introduced, have no direct counter but rather are destroyable be high level light av or heavy av moderate sp/isk requirement light vehicles - light av is a direct counter, little sp/ isk required. most common on the battlefield "Change the scheme! Alter the mood! Electrify the boys and girls if you would be so kind" Ko6, scout, tanker.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 1002	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:47:00 - [2] - Quote That's an extremely good idea Please don't GÿåForum warrior lvl.1Gÿå
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.10.30 02:54:00 - [3] - Quote Inb4 medium frame users raging about the idea What is a signature?
CharCharOdell 1392	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:03:00 - [4] - Quote this makes a lot of sense, actually. even i never thought about it this way. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1316	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:08:00 - [5] - Quote Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? Look, I'll make a deal with tankers. I promise not to use any form of AV and you guys agree not to kill me. And if I do equip swarms or AV granades, then I will light up from up to 2000 meters away.
Skihids Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 2366	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:10:00 - [6] - Quote Dropships are Medium aircraft, so swarms should only pester them.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:11:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" What is a signature?
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1316	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:16:00 - [8] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what?
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2278	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:17:00 - [9] - Quote Except its not a direct counter? Their flight path alone and their habit of tracking towards the bottom of a vehicle against the speed of an LAV means more often than not your swarms impact the terrain or an installation or something Not to mention their low flight speed gimping them further if they were intended to be used against LAVs and drop ships Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2278	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:17:00 - [10] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what? Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ******* idiotic Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.

THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:28:00 - [11] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what? Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ***** idiotic Not really and it's not that hard. In fact, the new maps make it quite easy. What most people don't understand is that the tankers that are still around, getting 20+/0-1 are quite skilled at what they do, have 15+ million SP into them, and even they still loose tanks. Some of them have been around since before a lot of you have been playing. Despite getting nerf after nerf they still play. What I'm getting at is someone with a 28K swarm launcher should never solo a tank Someone with a 47K assault forge shouldn't either. Two swarmers, maybe if the tanker messes something up. But currently it's that one guy who spent under a million SP can ** on one guys game. This coming from someone who has little experience in a tank. I'm infantry, who wants actual balance across all roles. What is a signature?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3774	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:33:00 - [12] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what? Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ******* idiotic Why it makes sense to me. In a fight you some times cannot win if you press forwards or hold your ground. Running is sometimes the only way to get a good result. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1200	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:34:00 - [13] - Quote Exactly, fallback, grab a LAV, fill it up with teammates with AV grenades and swarms/forges. But if you're one guy in a LAV you should get steamrolled. What is a signature?
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1316	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:41:00 - [14] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what? Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ***** idiotic Not really and it's not that hard. In fact, the new maps make it quite easy. What most people don't understand is that the tankers that are still around, getting 20+/0-1 are quite skilled at what they do, have 15+ million SP into them, and even they still loose tanks. Some of them have been around since before a lot of you have been playing. Despite getting nerf after nerf they still play. What I'm getting at is someone with a 28K swarm launcher should never solo a tank Someone with a 47K assault forge shouldn't either. Two swarmers, maybe if the tanker messes something up. But currently it's that one guy who spent under a million SP can ** on one guys game. This coming from someone who has little experience in a tank. I'm infantry, who wants actual balance across all roles. your right, now if only the tank driver who chased me down in my scout suit earlier agreed with you.
Pent'noir Algintal Core Gallente Federation 169	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:47:00 - [15] - Quote With the upcoming changes, this is what it's going to be like. If this is what they are trying to do, then the bonuses for shield/armor damage don't make a lot of sense because we only have one heavy av weapon. I don't think the swarm damage bonus comes close to the forge damage, so I'm not going to change weapons because I see a certain type of tank. (i'm guessing on the damage, haven't looked at numbers)
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3775	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:49:00 - [16] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Exactly, fallback, grab a LAV, fill it up with teammates with AV grenades and swarms/forges. But if you're one guy in a LAV you should get steamrolled. ** me AV hot drops out of LAV or Dropships scared the ** out of me and cost me more Tanks than I would like to admit. "All things were created by the Divine, and so the glory of our faith is inherent to us all"
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1202	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:55:00 - [17] - Quote True Adamance wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Exactly, fallback, grab a LAV, fill it up with teammates with AV grenades and swarms/forges. But if you're one guy in a LAV you should get steamrolled. ** me AV hot drops out of LAV or Dropships scared the ** out of me and cost me more Tanks than I would like to admit. Same, but it's really "The way to do it right now" Quick and dirty What is a signature?
Martin0 Brancaleone Maphia Clan Corporation 474	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:55:00 - [18] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what? Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ***** idiotic Not really and it's not that hard. In fact, the new maps make it quite easy. What most people don't understand is that the tankers that are still around, getting 20+/0-1 are quite skilled at what they do, have 15+ million SP into them, and even they still loose tanks. Some of them have been around since before a lot of you have been playing. Despite getting nerf after nerf they still play. What I'm getting at is someone with a 28K swarm launcher should never solo a tank Someone with a 47K assault forge shouldn't either. Two swarmers, maybe if the tanker messes something up. But currently it's that one guy who spent under a million SP can ** on one guys game. This coming from someone who has little experience in a tank. I'm infantry, who wants actual balance across all roles. Where is the "love" button?
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1698	Posted - 2013.10.30 03:57:00 - [19] - Quote Skihids wrote: Dropships are Medium aircraft, so swarms should only pester them. i seriously thought DS were light.... Sinboto - The True Blood Minja.
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2278	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:07:00 - [20] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Delta 749 wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Ok, so what do we use for AV as medium and light suits? I get that we aren't meant to solo tanks with swarms, shouldn't 6-9 rounds from a AV weapon be able to take it down? Uhh. "Wow I wonder what'd happen if I went and tried being useful somewhere else, I mean the tank is pretty weak and all but I'm sure my time would be much better used somewhere he can't get me" Wait what? Hes saying you should try to destroy a tank at all and just leave it alone and hope it ignores you which is ***** idiotic Not really and it's not that hard. In fact, the new maps make it quite easy. What most people don't understand is that the tankers that are still around, getting 20+/0-1 are quite skilled at what they do, have 15+ million SP into them, and even they still loose tanks. Some of them have been around since before a lot of you have been playing. Despite getting nerf after nerf they still play. What I'm getting at is someone with a 28K swarm launcher should never solo a tank Someone with a 47K assault forge shouldn't either. Two swarmers, maybe if the tanker messes something up. But currently it's that one guy who spent under a million SP can ** on one guys game. This coming from someone who has little experience in a tank. I'm infantry, who wants actual balance across all roles. So you support play to win? Because thats exactly what saying someone shouldnt destroy another because of what the spent is Ideally balanced a single player should always have the ability to kill another player based on their skill but when you start to say that "Oh I spent more so I should be able to survive several guys" is a horrible horrible thing Im not drunk, the planet just happens to be especially wobbly today.

Meeko Fent expert intervention Caldari State 1340	Posted - 2013.10.30 04:51:00 - [21] - Quote Perhaps a medium class of AV need be introduced. Breach Swarm Launcher anybody? Meeko's Novelty Shop Opening Soon! We (will)sell all the novelty items you desire! Really! King of Uncertainty.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 525	Posted - 2013.10.30 13:02:00 - [22] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: Skihids wrote: Dropships are Medium aircraft, so swarms should only pester them. i seriously thought DS were light.... they are. empty triangle = light half full = med full = heavy dropships and lavs are both empty hence light vehicles. "Change the scheme! Alter the mood! Electrify the boys and girls if you would be so kind" Ko6, scout, tanker.
Kigurosaka Laaksonen DUST University Ivy League 31	Posted - 2013.10.30 13:05:00 - [23] - Quote This is a neat idea and has potential to be awesome, except for the fact that about half the content you would need to pull it off is missing. We need all four racial variants of basic light, medium, and heavy dropsuit frames and vehicles in the game ASAP.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 525	Posted - 2013.10.30 13:06:00 - [24] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: Perhaps a medium class of AV need be introduced. Breach Swarm Launcher anybody? perhaps, I'm just working with what I have, so since devs haven't even hinted at medium weapon I assumed they don't exist. if they did they'd require a medium suit (sorry scout brethren) and take a moderate sp/isk investment. "Change the scheme! Alter the mood! Electrify the boys and girls if you would be so kind" Ko6, scout, tanker.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1565	Posted - 2013.10.30 14:20:00 - [25] - Quote OP does have a point They say that the heavy is made to go toe to toe with vehicles Problem is eazy AV users wouldnt be happy if they had to go heavy to take out a tank because it may require more than 1 light AV user to take it out and thats unfair
Jadu Wen Xer Cloud Consortium 30	Posted - 2013.10.30 22:45:00 - [26] - Quote That really make me curious what we're going to see for heavy AV. Logically it would seem to be the equivalent of a breach FG which to my knowledge causes you to stop as it charges. GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûäGûæGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûÇGûÇGûÇ GûÆGûêGûÆGûêGûÆGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûÇGûäGûê GûÆGûêGûäGûäGûä GûÆGûêGûæGûæGûÇGûê ? SoonGäó
IMPAIRS YOUR ABILITY Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 220	Posted - 2013.10.30 23:51:00 - [27] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: everyone uses swarms to measure tanks against but what if swarms aren't meant to take out tanks? obviously we've all grown comfortable with the idea of swarms being an anti tank weapon, but what if they aren't? the swarm launcher is a light weapon then it follows that a light av weapon destroys light vehicles (lavs/ds) and a heavy av weapon takes out heavy vehicles. BREAKDOWN: heavy vehicles - heavy av is the direct counter, high sp/isk requirement. rarest on the battlefield medium vehicles - not yet introduced, have no direct counter but rather are destroyable be high level light av or heavy av moderate sp/isk requirement light vehicles - light av is a direct counter, little sp/ isk required. most common on the battlefield Stop making sense, too bad the user that is the counter HAV switched play style or left in droves a year ago. Killing the HMG killed the heavy and killed what I agree with was CCP's vision. The Heavy/ HAV parity was going to be one of the better things in this game, but that's not how BF3 does it and here we are now. Crappiest BF3 clone we could imagine.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1154	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:04:00 - [28] - Quote Yea sure if you give me a respec of the 4 million SP I've invested into swarm launchers. In other words NO Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 662	Posted - 2013.11.19 16:34:00 - [29] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yea sure if you give me a respec of the 4 million SP I've invested into swarm launchers. In other words NO it wasn't a question, it was a theory. it was my interpretation of the otherwise unexplained nerf. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.11.20 04:17:00 - [30] - Quote I just hope the Heavy Aerial vehicles are going to be worth it the x million isk were going to need for a hull.



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