If you are checking out the link right now, it might be a bit buggy, I'm actually redoing some of the pages to enable me to expand it.


Absoliav: I talk to Bgoat, who does Dustcharts, Chirbba, who does basicly anything eve, and Gritbreather who is also working on some things. I am planing on expanding this tool at some point to allow you to fully fit a vehicle, maybe dropsuits, maybe, but it will still be a compare tool in that the main use would be to tell you how long it would take to kill X. Cuase it falls within my interests and Bgoat and Gritbreather challeneged me to do it. also there was alot of rage about the changes, and all the math was wrong.

To Topic Atiim I don't think they are a watergun, while the range decrease is a bit much, I think the damage isn't too bad of a change. Some may disagree, which is their right, but I want to see how it plays out.

The limited range makes dropships invincible to swarms. 175m is nothing compared to high and how fast dropships can fly.

I'm not gonna comment on AV's effectiveness since CPM mentioned that HAVs are getting nerfed as well so I'll need first hand experience to see the difference. Basic LAVs will now be able to take 3 volley of swarms before dying to basic unmodded swarm launcher.

Yep. In a world where all people with AV can do is "scare" off a tank, which won't work once they realize that you can't kill them with what your carrying and there is no reason for them to not try to attack you, tanks will become OP unless you have a tank.

And some people want the best counter to a tank to be another tank? So when people get fed up with getting roflstomped and buttplugged by tanks, they are just gonna start using tanks too. Tanks will become the new FOTY, not month, but year because of how long CCP takes with their "balancing" updates.

And some people called me stupid when I said that this game will go to hell and become Tank 514.

It will become this, whether people realize it or not. The only way I could see this happening fairly would be to reduce the team quota to 2 tanks

Thanks to CCP, we now have an idea of what AV will look like with the new vehicle changes, which is great news. Now the only thing we need to discus is how will the finalized result look, as it stands, Vehicles appear to be getting buffed in a big way, while also getting nerfed, the buff comes in the form of specialization, now vehicles will be rewarded for fitting towards one playstyle, while the nerf comes towards anyone who tries too many things at once, so jack-of-all-trades vehicles will suffer for their lack of focus. AV is also getting nerfed on the other hand, which is long over due, AV grenades are receiving a respectable damage reduction for their versatility, sadly no mention of any buffs for proxi mines, Swarm Launchers happen to be taking the biggest hit, the damage reduction isn't an issue, as it's an easy to use weapon, so it shouldn't get massive rewards for so little effort, the only issue I see is the lock on range, from 400 to 175 is a big number drop for a weapon with limited uses.

I personally like the changes to AV, with the exception of the range nerf, the issue I have with it is tanks, the reduced damage means that LAVs and Dropships now have a respectable chance of withstanding Swarm shots from even proto swarms, while allowing tanks a fair chance to deal with swarms. But reduced range means that swarm users now have to be closer to their target to fire, this doesn't really change much for tanks, since tanks generally move slowly, but LAVs and dropships tend to move a lot faster which allows them distance themselves from most threats. I'm assuming that this is some sort of pseudo fix for the rendering issues vehicles have at longer ranges, which doesn't make this a bad solution, but this is still a big hit for the SL's effectiveness, I think a way to help counter this is to increase the projectile movement speed would help, LAVs and DSs would still have the distance and speed advantage but it won't be too huge of an overpowering edge, without effecting the outcome of infantry-tanks battles.

From what I'm seeing, SLs will be more for lightly deafened vehicles and with teamwork, could takeout a tank, while AV grenades seem to be more of a vehicle deterrent, which is a good thing. Again, no word on where proxies stand, while forge guns are being reviewed according to CCP, hopefully the stay mostly the same except for the assault, that thing is too good at everything, I'm hoping the FG is stays as the solution to heavily deafened targets.

That's my feedback on the matter, I'm mostly optimistic for all these possible changes, I hope CCP continues to make more changes like these!

The amount of time they fly is not being changed. Just now you can be situated on a tower near the operational ceiling and lock on to anything on the map. You'll just have to be closer before engaging and actually move yourself around the map

Please don't

The limited range makes dropships invincible to swarms. 175m is nothing compared to high and how fast dropships can fly.

I'm not gonna comment on AV's effectiveness since CPM mentioned that HAVs are getting nerfed as well so I'll need first hand experience to see the difference. Basic LAVs will now be able to take 3 volley of swarms before dying to basic unmodded swarm launcher.

math says that despite the low amounts of slots highest end tanks will have 20k ehp... that is actually a buff.

the announced nerfed swarm would need half a minute of CONTINOUS shooting to kill the announced tanks. and this assumes the tank driver does not bother to actually move at all.

yes you read it right, half a minute... you can be sure that these changes either wont go live or tanks will sooner or later get a nerf again you would be very naiv expecting those values to stay.

That is the nerf part of the vehicle changes, the buffs are in the modules, a lot of modules are receiving some nice number changes that increase their overall effectiveness compared to their current versions, while turrets are getting a much needed damage buff, the finite ammo trade-off will be worth it.

There is more to the vehicle changes than just less slots, plus, with reduced slot values on the MLT and STD vehicles, it also leaves room for the development of ADV and maybe even PRO vehicles. The Devs have been saying that vehicles as they are don't leave much room for fitting improvement across the tiers, I believe IWS even dared the community to come up with a PRO tank design that didn't involve 5 highs and 5 lows. I might be getting a little too optimistic, but I feel these could open up some new opportunities for further vehicle development.

Here is the big problem with things as a "deterrent"
If I know for a fact that what you carry has no chance of killing me before I kill you and considering that I can heal all the damage I have taken what is the incentive for me to avoid attacking you?

if tanks start becoming a problem, players will respond accordingly.

Well since Swarms are now gonna be waterguns and the exact opposite of Anti-Vehicle, I think i'm gonna skill into PLCs

And then lololol when ppl say that PLCs are OP.

If you are checking out the link right now, it might be a bit buggy, I'm actually redoing some of the pages to enable me to expand it.


Absoliav: I talk to Bgoat, who does Dustcharts, Chirbba, who does basicly anything eve, and Gritbreather who is also working on some things. I am planing on expanding this tool at some point to allow you to fully fit a vehicle, maybe dropsuits, maybe, but it will still be a compare tool in that the main use would be to tell you how long it would take to kill X. Cuase it falls within my interests and Bgoat and Gritbreather challeneged me to do it. also there was alot of rage about the changes, and all the math was wrong.

To Topic Atiim I don't think they are a watergun, while the range decrease is a bit much, I think the damage isn't too bad of a change. Some may disagree, which is their right, but I want to see how it plays out.

CCP could've kept the Sagaris and Surya and told infantry to HTFU and get AV.

CCP is basically making them like suits now. I'm guessing ADV and PRO tier will have the same HP, with more slots and more CPU / PG. Or, something I wouldn't be surprised about, more modules while keeping the same CPU and PG through the tiers.

:/ I missed it, where are the said new stats for AV? LINK PLS

Here ya go!

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279&find=unread

Thank you!


So, basically, there will be twice as many Rail Tankers as there are now?

Honestly if they took large blasters turrets away from tanks, tanker wouldn't complain about being destroyed by av grenades. Only the ones who run into a group of infantry have the av grenade problem. Tanks should vs vehicles not infantry. If thats what they call balancing game will continue to go down. If respect happen there will be nothing but tanks on a fps video game.