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Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
2130
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:27:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:We finally get new weapons and people complain...
The sooner these come out the sooner CCP can balance them and move onto new heavy weapons. Light weapons can be used by everyone, heavy weapons only by heavies, so these have the broadest appeal. I agree we need more variety in heavy weapons, heavy suits need love, as do scouts, but it makes sense to focus on the things that will affect the most players first. Really I think CCP should focus on the dropsuit racial variants and then focus on weapons. |
Oswald Rehnquist
Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance
343
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:32:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:We finally get new weapons and people complain...
The sooner these come out the sooner CCP can balance them and move onto new heavy weapons. Light weapons can be used by everyone, heavy weapons only by heavies, so these have the broadest appeal. I agree we need more variety in heavy weapons, heavy suits need love, as do scouts, but it makes sense to focus on the things that will affect the most players first.
As the niche roles drop the game due to the fact that AR mediums are the number 1 priority, literally they will have everything for them, and all the nerfs in the previous builds were to pad this group of players.
Now when it comes to the eventual rebuffs of the niche that were nerfed for the medium frames, the time spent for the 25% of everything else (scouts, heavies, vehicles, ect) would be a sink in itself due to the diminished niche community. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
369
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:32:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:
I'm not even arguing about the lack of heavy weapons so how about you shut the fuck up little prick.
Never said you were arguing over heavy weapons.
So i say again,
Shut the **** up Kane. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
518
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:33:00 -
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I have been assault since day 1, even during the reign of the Creodon AR and 'Whiplash' locus grenades (most closed beta vets remember these) andeven I have to admit that the heavy class gets sh!tted on the most. Ever since they nerfed them after Codex ( I believe that was that build's name), they have never been the same.
One racial suit to choose from? Only 2 heavy-specific weapons to choose from? CCP committed a HUGE injustice to that class, yet continues to keep "hush hush" about their intentions for that class. No amount of CPM and/or dev reply can justify the validity of that. Period.
If anything, instead of including more AR's, that patch should include the remaining racial heavy weapons at the least, follwed by the release of the remaining racial suits soon after. CCP needs to open their eyes on this. You have had patient heavies requesting something...ANYTHING in the form of a response as to why they haven't been implemented yet.
Yet nothing.
Priorities are set wrong and hopefully heavies get what they have been waiting so patiently for soon.
Oh and scouts are in the same position. Stop beefing up assaults, CCP and start catering towards your other classes, specifically heavy and scout. It's about time they got excited about SOMETHING. |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
518
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:34:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:We finally get new weapons and people complain...
The sooner these come out the sooner CCP can balance them and move onto new heavy weapons. Light weapons can be used by everyone, heavy weapons only by heavies, so these have the broadest appeal. I agree we need more variety in heavy weapons, heavy suits need love, as do scouts, but it makes sense to focus on the things that will affect the most players first.
I respect your opinion, but imo, it is flawed. Read my post above. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
369
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:36:00 -
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Vell0cet wrote:We finally get new weapons and people complain...
The sooner these come out the sooner CCP can balance them and move onto new heavy weapons. Light weapons can be used by everyone, heavy weapons only by heavies, so these have the broadest appeal. I agree we need more variety in heavy weapons, heavy suits need love, as do scouts, but it makes sense to focus on the things that will affect the most players first.
You finally get new weapons *again.
Exactly how many Light Weapons are there?
Why again do you need more light weapons, as opposed to only having two?
Why is it the Heavy suit is so underused?
Oh yea....it's had 2 weapons for eternity, no Heavy Grenade, an absolutely useless bonus on our suit, with a **** poor one to complement it AND we get to sacrifice having equipment slots just so we can use all the **** that doesn't exist yet. Why the hell would anyone WANT to spec into it knowing its a ******* deadend from the getgo.
**** your light weapons bro.
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
924
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Posted - 2013.10.26 01:40:00 -
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Dont like the game come back in 5-6 months |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
2130
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Posted - 2013.10.26 02:24:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Kane Fyea wrote:
I'm not even arguing about the lack of heavy weapons so how about you shut the fuck up little prick.
Never said you were arguing over heavy weapons. So i say again, Shut the **** up Kane. I'm not talking to you so yea fuck off. |
Kane Fyea
DUST University Ivy League
2130
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Posted - 2013.10.26 02:27:00 -
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Duran Lex wrote:Vell0cet wrote:We finally get new weapons and people complain...
The sooner these come out the sooner CCP can balance them and move onto new heavy weapons. Light weapons can be used by everyone, heavy weapons only by heavies, so these have the broadest appeal. I agree we need more variety in heavy weapons, heavy suits need love, as do scouts, but it makes sense to focus on the things that will affect the most players first. You finally get new weapons *again. Exactly how many Light Weapons are there? Why again do you need more light weapons, as opposed to only having two? Why is it the Heavy suit is so underused? Oh yea....it's had 2 weapons for eternity, no Heavy Grenade, an absolutely useless bonus on our suit, with a **** poor one to complement it AND we get to sacrifice having equipment slots just so we can use all the **** that doesn't exist yet. Why the hell would anyone WANT to spec into it knowing its a ******* deadend from the getgo. **** your light weapons bro. How about instead of adding more heavy weapons why not fix the current weapons it has and the heavy suit in general. |
Duran Lex
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
373
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Posted - 2013.10.26 02:30:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:Duran Lex wrote:Vell0cet wrote:We finally get new weapons and people complain...
The sooner these come out the sooner CCP can balance them and move onto new heavy weapons. Light weapons can be used by everyone, heavy weapons only by heavies, so these have the broadest appeal. I agree we need more variety in heavy weapons, heavy suits need love, as do scouts, but it makes sense to focus on the things that will affect the most players first. You finally get new weapons *again. Exactly how many Light Weapons are there? Why again do you need more light weapons, as opposed to only having two? Why is it the Heavy suit is so underused? Oh yea....it's had 2 weapons for eternity, no Heavy Grenade, an absolutely useless bonus on our suit, with a **** poor one to complement it AND we get to sacrifice having equipment slots just so we can use all the **** that doesn't exist yet. Why the hell would anyone WANT to spec into it knowing its a ******* deadend from the getgo. **** your light weapons bro. How about instead of adding more heavy weapons right now why not fix the current weapons it has and the heavy suit in general.
Because there's a large number of people who haven't gotten anything new in over a ******* year maybe?
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XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4914
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:38:00 -
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Canari Elphus wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Just make my HMG good Reported you for a valid complaint. Those are not allowed on the forums.
That's not cool |
XxWarlordxX97
Ancient Exiles
4914
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:39:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:XxWarlordxX97 wrote:Just make my HMG good Preach bro. I gave up on my HMG. Now most times I rather run a gimped laser instead of an ar.
Come back to the HMG |
Soldiersaint
Deepspace Digital
494
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Posted - 2013.10.26 19:45:00 -
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I am happy with my swarm launcher. come a little closer tank commanders and pilots i want to make your death quick and painless |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
900
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:31:00 -
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Lea Silencio wrote:I have been assault since day 1, even during the reign of the Creodon AR and 'Whiplash' locus grenades (most closed beta vets remember these) andeven I have to admit that the heavy class gets sh!tted on the most. Ever since they nerfed them after Codex ( I believe that was that build's name), they have never been the same.
One racial suit to choose from? Only 2 heavy-specific weapons to choose from? CCP committed a HUGE injustice to that class, yet continues to keep "hush hush" about their intentions for that class. No amount of CPM and/or dev reply can justify the validity of that. Period.
If anything, instead of including more AR's, that patch should include the remaining racial heavy weapons at the least, follwed by the release of the remaining racial suits soon after. CCP needs to open their eyes on this. You have had patient heavies requesting something...ANYTHING in the form of a response as to why they haven't been implemented yet.
Yet nothing.
Priorities are set wrong and hopefully heavies get what they have been waiting so patiently for soon.
Oh and scouts are in the same position. Stop beefing up assaults, CCP and start catering towards your other classes, specifically heavy and scout. It's about time they got excited about SOMETHING. AGREED. |
Joel II X
AHPA
71
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Posted - 2013.10.27 00:35:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:They gave the AR a 2 meter range buff. OMG it's so fucking horrible isn't it. Also you're complaining that CCP is adding content which was supposed to be here a couple months after the release of uprising? Wow these forums are just fucking ridiculous.
Also just so you know the mass driver is a variant of AV weaponry, (Minmatars version) the plasma cannon and the laser rifle are both special weapons (Have no racial variants). Also the LR has a longer range then the AR even after the buff. Plasma Cannon is Gallente. Laser Rifle is Amarr. |
CharCharOdell
Shining Flame Amarr Empire
1293
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Posted - 2013.10.27 04:30:00 -
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Well...they have to start somewhere.
Most Lol run medium suits with assault rifles.
Once we get that out the way, we can get our suits and then more weapons |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
810
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Posted - 2013.10.27 05:26:00 -
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Rail Rifles: dealing the same damage as Assault Rifles over twice the range since 1.6. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
605
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Posted - 2013.10.27 08:05:00 -
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Kane Fyea wrote:They gave the AR a 2 meter range buff. OMG it's so fucking horrible isn't it. Also you're complaining that CCP is adding content which was supposed to be here a couple months after the release of uprising? Wow these forums are just fucking ridiculous.
Also just so you know the mass driver is a variant of AV weaponry, (Minmatars version) the plasma cannon and the laser rifle are both special weapons (Have no racial variants). Also the LR has a longer range then the AR even after the buff.
The balance in the game is totally missing. One weapon clearly dominates everything else. Instead of bringing it into balance CCP releases more variants of the same OP weapon. Really? Wow! The community totally sucks, they just want to find things to whine about, right bro?
PS: don't forget to keep the aim bot always on, I hear your corp takes this policy very serious. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4280
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Posted - 2013.10.27 08:59:00 -
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lolheavies, aka The Triceraheavydon: A species that existed in the DUST 514 / EVE universe, but are no longer with us today. Having no ability to protect itself against all predators. Having to resort to using long range attacks this class or species, just prolonged its faith, and died out slowly and agonizing.
Let's a take a minute to remember the heavy class.
*looks at watch, and proceeds to wait 60 seconds* |
CrotchGrab 360
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
364
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:18:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4.
The AR does NOT out-range or even match the range of a laser rifle. |
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CrotchGrab 360
Forsaken Immortals Top Men.
364
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:19:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolheavies, aka The Triceraheavydon: A species that existed in the DUST 514 / EVE universe, but are no longer with us today. Having no ability to protect itself against all predators. Having to resort to using long range attacks this class or species, just prolonged its faith, and died out slowly and agonizing.
Let's a take a minute to remember the heavy class.
*looks at watch, and proceeds to wait 60 seconds*
Even heavies with 1100 armour go down easily, I reckon it's the weapons that let the class down but I don't play as a heavy.
All I can say is, why the fk are there 1000 new ARs with only 1 heavy suit and 1 heavy weapon out??
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Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4280
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Posted - 2013.10.27 09:30:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:lolheavies, aka The Triceraheavydon: A species that existed in the DUST 514 / EVE universe, but are no longer with us today. Having no ability to protect itself against all predators. Having to resort to using long range attacks this class or species, just prolonged its faith, and died out slowly and agonizing.
Let's a take a minute to remember the heavy class.
*looks at watch, and proceeds to wait 60 seconds* Even heavies with 1100 armour go down easily, I reckon it's the weapons that let the class down but I don't play as a heavy. All I can say is, why the fk are there 1000 new ARs with only 1 heavy suit and 1 heavy weapon out??
the class in general is joke.
- no resistance to explosive dmg (skill) (but hey, the sentinel suit has a bonus for a weapon not in the game. Right on!)
- no small arms resistance (skill)
- no sharpshooter skill to reduce bullet spread
- lolHMG
- no new suits, no new weapon, no word from CCP in regards to making the class better
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
99
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Posted - 2013.10.27 18:31:00 -
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So cool, I can't wait for assault streaks, care packages and a nuke Ccp hurry up and finish off the heavies and scouts. Who thought it was funny putting test dummy suits on the market?while your at it ,can I get an AV AR, its cooler to kill vehicles with than one av nade. Man its great to be a medium suit +AR player in dust |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
768
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:54:00 -
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Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:low genius wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4. did they say that was the extent of the gun changes, or are you just a silly ass? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117279&find=unread
i'm guessing you can't read good. those aren't patch notes. they're new gun stats. |
Ludvig Enraga
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
616
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:54:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:Can people just shut the **** up when complaining about everything and anything that has to do with this game. Its like daily there's at least 7 different threads where people bitching about this games features and im tired of seeing these posts. If you don't like a feature or update of the game then **** off for a while and come back when they've released the following update. Better yet shut up complaining and actually play with one of the assault rifles, you might actually enjoy it.
Likewise, if you dont like what you are seeing in the forum why don't you ** off for a while and come back when useful updates have been released and ppl are singing praise to the devs. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
768
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:55:00 -
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CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4. The AR does NOT out-range or even match the range of a laser rifle.
the ar does outrange the laser rifle. you should test it before you make comments like that. |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
820
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Posted - 2013.10.27 20:58:00 -
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low genius wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4. The AR does NOT out-range or even match the range of a laser rifle. the ar does outrange the laser rifle. you should test it before you make comments like that.
What matters is whether the DPS matches up. From the front to middle of the Laser Rifle's optimal, the AR does comparable damage. The Laser out damages it if it manages to heat up, though. As a Laser Rifle user, I almost never die to other Laser Rifle users, even when I switch to Assault Rifles, because I know how they work. I just back up 5m and they go back to dealing 2 points of damage a shot. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
773
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Posted - 2013.10.27 21:28:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:low genius wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4. The AR does NOT out-range or even match the range of a laser rifle. the ar does outrange the laser rifle. you should test it before you make comments like that. What matters is whether the DPS matches up. From the front to middle of the Laser Rifle's optimal, the AR does comparable damage. The Laser out damages it if it manages to heat up, though. As a Laser Rifle user, I almost never die to other Laser Rifle users, even when I switch to Assault Rifles, because I know how they work. I just back up 5m and they go back to dealing 2 points of damage a shot.
what matters is that my damage stops at 90, and his damage continues until 105. |
Tech Ohm Eaven
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
909
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Posted - 2013.10.27 21:32:00 -
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Borne Velvalor wrote:low genius wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4. The AR does NOT out-range or even match the range of a laser rifle. the ar does outrange the laser rifle. you should test it before you make comments like that. What matters is whether the DPS matches up. From the front to middle of the Laser Rifle's optimal, the AR does comparable damage. The Laser out damages it if it manages to heat up, though. As a Laser Rifle user, I almost never die to other Laser Rifle users, even when I switch to Assault Rifles, because I know how they work. I just back up 5m and they go back to dealing 2 points of damage a shot.
And then the laser user overheats trying to get a kill and loses shields plus part of armour and in those seconds its easy to sprint foreward 20m to 30m where the laser does less damage and zip!! its death of a laser user and the autopsy said it was AR induced with the main suspect being Dr. Duvolle. |
Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
822
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Posted - 2013.10.27 21:33:00 -
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low genius wrote:Borne Velvalor wrote:low genius wrote:CrotchGrab 360 wrote:Tech Ohm Eaven wrote:Not a rant just shakes head at what I read.
So more AR variants?....lol!!
Its not like heavys been asking for more HEAVY weapons...right? So instead of new laser, mass driver, plasma cannon, shotguns, SMG variants??
Right now an AR outranges a laser...lol!! And basic laser, advanced and proto all have 17 for damage...lol!!
But hey!! lets give a range BUFF to ARs??
Going to wait and see in November but its looking like playtime in Dust is over unless its medium suit and AR.
Whats in November? PS4. The AR does NOT out-range or even match the range of a laser rifle. the ar does outrange the laser rifle. you should test it before you make comments like that. What matters is whether the DPS matches up. From the front to middle of the Laser Rifle's optimal, the AR does comparable damage. The Laser out damages it if it manages to heat up, though. As a Laser Rifle user, I almost never die to other Laser Rifle users, even when I switch to Assault Rifles, because I know how they work. I just back up 5m and they go back to dealing 2 points of damage a shot. what matters is that my damage stops at 90, and his damage continues until 105.
Not really. Your damage stops once it drops to 10% at 85m. Beyond that, the ARs are doing 30% damage. |
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