So that's pretty simple.

Sorry i didn't understand can you explain ? :/

A logi can't fit more than 2 of the same equipment type.

Example:

Fitting 4 different Drop Uplinks on the suit, then dropping them all to get major points.

Or-

Fitting 4 different Nanohives on the suit to drop and get major points.

This may stop all the QQ about "spamming equipment" :D

So what your saying is, because I equip an imperial scrambler rifle and basic breach SMG along with basic equipment and enhanced armour plates on my proto, my fit should be "invalid"?

So what your saying is, because I equip an imperial scrambler rifle and basic breach SMG along with basic equipment and enhanced armour plates on my proto, my fit should be "invalid"?

This is actually a very good idea, make suits invalid unless they fill their equipment slots. And no double equipment either.

Get rid of their light weapon slot. Make it a side arm slot only. This removes the ability of the Logi to perform as a slayer role effectively. Then give them some CPU/PG increases so they can fit better gear and actually do their real role better.

I like it but I don't...

Its a good solution, but at the same time it restricts the Logi suit.
As soon as you start forcing playstyles to certain suits, you crutch the game.

I don't like Assault Logis anymore than anyone else, I don't like Heavies having ARs, I don't like having Mediums playing as Scouts... but its their RIGHT TO DO SO!

Its the balance of free and open customization in this game. Eventually people find the best way to loophole the expected system and p*ss everyone off...

Hate the player or hate the game? Change the player or change the game?

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.



EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.





With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot).
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier)

Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

This.

Read 'em and Weep

https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117231&find=unread

The problem is not the logi, its the assault!

I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much?

I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much?

How about 20% of either one? That way it would effect armor and shield suits equally. 20% isn't to far at all BTW. Even my more assaulty ak.0s meet that requirement. 20% seems perfect to be honest.

Posted: 2013.10.25 00:04

I thought you were going to want the weapon replaced by a repper. +1 for a (finally) good solution.

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will...

YES.
You use your suit to break the game.
But NO in reality if you get all your equipement slot then it's not invalid.
If you don't have 20% of your CPU/PG in equipement it's not making your suit invalid.
But you can't use these 20% for fitting everything else than equipements.

So NO it will not be invalid BUT you could not use the 20% for fitting everything else than your equipements.

EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

.

The truth is there is no problem accept that people cannot get it out of their heads that logi does not equal healer. It simply means you have more CPU/PG and equipment slots than the assault at the expense of speed, HP, and 3 out of 4 cases a side arm. How that player uses those slots and CPU/PG defines his role, not the name of the suit they picked.

This problem you all have invented is like saying it's a problem if an Amarr uses a mass driver or a Caldari a laser rifle. Get the terms logi is supposed to be.... and logi is intended to be..... out of your mind and the problem mystically solves itself.

A logi can't fit more than 2 of the same equipment type.

Example:

Fitting 4 different Drop Uplinks on the suit, then dropping them all to get major points.

Or-

Fitting 4 different Nanohives on the suit to drop and get major points.

This may stop all the QQ about "spamming equipment" :D

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again
So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.



EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.


Yes do all of these wonderfully stupid things, nerf the most popular playstyle in the game so more people will leave it. Your an idiot, no wonder CHRONOS went down so fast....


With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi.
Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot).
BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier)

Like this post make than the Dev see it.
It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. )
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

Yes do all of these wonderfully stupid things, nerf the most popular playstyle in the game so more people will leave it. Your an idiot, no wonder CHRONOS went down so fast....

Adding artificial constraints is usually not good.

While making it mandatory to fit each and every EQ slot would help, it would not still be a best possible solution.


It's true that logis using their very high pg+cpu values to fit proto combat modules is problematic.
The fix for that would be a very simple one:


Make Gallente logi bonus a logi suit bonus (reduction to EQ fitting costs) and buff that bonus, while reducing the base PG+CPU values.
Voil+í.

We have a suit with multiple EQ slots, great design freedom and no possibility to create a juggernaut combat suit. There would be no drastic difference between EQ equipped and EQ ignored fitting variations.

Lol your idea won't work because my proto logo has 1 nano ans 2 drops and it still has more tank and or damage that the assault.

It's not a bad idea in fact.
But..it's got MORE contraints than my idea....
I constraints how using the power but you it's even worse you're constraints ALL the suit.
Good idea but it will not prevent people to not fit equipements and got a juggernaut.
And if you get PG/CPU low to prevent it even with bonus it will not be possible to fit equipements correctly.
(Well fitted equipements is almost 40PG.)

Ah, evidently it was not clear that I meant a drastic reduction bonus on Equipment fitting. Something at least -50%, perhaps reaching as high as -80%.

Example, EQ rack of 40PG -80% would be 8PG.
This way, the benefit of leaving the rack empty would be quite small. In fact, it might be better to fill it with standard level items.
The point is, skipping the reduced Equipment cost would not be enough to give logis advantage over assaults for example.

I like it but I don't...

Its a good solution, but at the same time it restricts the Logi suit.
As soon as you start forcing playstyles to certain suits, you crutch the game.

I don't like Assault Logis anymore than anyone else, I don't like Heavies having ARs, I don't like having Mediums playing as Scouts... but its their RIGHT TO DO SO!

Its the balance of free and open customization in this game. Eventually people find the best way to loophole the expected system and p*ss everyone off...

Hate the player or hate the game? Change the player or change the game?

Damn, use that as your signature.

I thought the easier solution was to reduce the high/low slots in exchange for the extra equipment slots-.