DUST Search - Here's the solution for the Logi problem !

TechMechMeds wrote:

Mordecai Sanguine wrote:

Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t What?

).
Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again Roll

So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended.
This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault.

Logi are too powerful because of 2 things :

-A*sholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods.
-Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended.

Quote:

So that's pretty simple.

EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid")

Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto)
Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot)

At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement

No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto.
You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out.

With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Blink

Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). Attention

BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Cool

Like this post make than the Dev see it. Idea

It will balance everything.
Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf.
It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. Blink

)
Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else.
You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.)
Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM....

This.

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Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:08:00 - [1] - Quote Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sht ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Asholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote: So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot) At least 20% of the PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.)
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 38	Posted - 2013.10.24 21:29:00 - [2] - Quote Guys. There's a solution who got sense. Stop whining like little kids "nerf this nerf that" or "buff this buff that" or "change racial bonus change the game use magic"
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 890	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:06:00 - [3] - Quote Another idea: There can only be 2 of the same equipment to avoid what people think is "equipment spamming", even though you can only drop a certain amount :/
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 43	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:08:00 - [4] - Quote Sorry i didn't understand can you explain ? :/
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 890	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:12:00 - [5] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Sorry i didn't understand can you explain ? :/ A logi can't fit more than 2 of the same equipment type. Example: Fitting 4 different Drop Uplinks on the suit, then dropping them all to get major points. Or- Fitting 4 different Nanohives on the suit to drop and get major points. This may stop all the QQ about "spamming equipment" :D
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 43	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:14:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Sorry i didn't understand can you explain ? :/ A logi can't fit more than 2 of the same equipment type. Example: Fitting 4 different Drop Uplinks on the suit, then dropping them all to get major points. Or- Fitting 4 different Nanohives on the suit to drop and get major points. This may stop all the QQ about "spamming equipment" :D I agree.
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1219	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:14:00 - [7] - Quote So what your saying is, because I equip an imperial scrambler rifle and basic breach SMG along with basic equipment and enhanced armour plates on my proto, my fit should be "invalid"?
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 890	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:16:00 - [8] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: So what your saying is, because I equip an imperial scrambler rifle and basic breach SMG along with basic equipment and enhanced armour plates on my proto, my fit should be "invalid"? It just got real up in here!
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:19:00 - [9] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: So what your saying is, because I equip an imperial scrambler rifle and basic breach SMG along with basic equipment and enhanced armour plates on my proto, my fit should be "invalid"? YES. You use your suit to break the game. But NO in reality if you get all your equipement slot then it's not invalid. If you don't have 20% of your CPU/PG in equipement it's not making your suit invalid. But you can't use these 20% for fitting everything else than equipements. So NO it will not be invalid BUT you could not use the 20% for fitting everything else than your equipements.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 322	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:19:00 - [10] - Quote This is actually a very good idea, make suits invalid unless they fill their equipment slots. And no double equipment either.

ThePrinceOfNigeria Zumari Force Projection Caldari State 149	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:21:00 - [11] - Quote Get rid of their light weapon slot. Make it a side arm slot only. This removes the ability of the Logi to perform as a slayer role effectively. Then give them some CPU/PG increases so they can fit better gear and actually do their real role better.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:22:00 - [12] - Quote SgtDoughnut wrote: This is actually a very good idea, make suits invalid unless they fill their equipment slots. And no double equipment either. Double is acceptable but not triple. BUT it will make the fit "invalid" when you don't fill all the equipement slot. BUT if you don't use the 20% of PG/CPU for equipements it will not be "invalid" you could still use it. BUT you could'nt use these 20% for fitting everything else than equipements.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 44	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:23:00 - [13] - Quote ThePrinceOfNigeria wrote: Get rid of their light weapon slot. Make it a side arm slot only. This removes the ability of the Logi to perform as a slayer role effectively. Then give them some CPU/PG increases so they can fit better gear and actually do their real role better. Have you ever read my thread ? I don't think so. This idea S*cks. It's absolutely non-sense.
Everything Dies Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 176	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:23:00 - [14] - Quote I thought the easier solution was to reduce the high/low slots in exchange for the extra equipment slots--i.e. making the logi a "jack-of-all-trades, master of none." Everything a logi can do, a different class should be able to do better; the advantage of the logi, however, would be their ability to fill more than one role at a time.
8213 Grade No.2 501	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:31:00 - [15] - Quote I like it but I don't... Its a good solution, but at the same time it restricts the Logi suit. As soon as you start forcing playstyles to certain suits, you crutch the game. I don't like Assault Logis anymore than anyone else, I don't like Heavies having ARs, I don't like having Mediums playing as Scouts... but its their RIGHT TO DO SO! Its the balance of free and open customization in this game. Eventually people find the best way to loophole the expected system and p*ss everyone off... Hate the player or hate the game? Change the player or change the game?
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 45	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:35:00 - [16] - Quote 8213 wrote: I like it but I don't... Its a good solution, but at the same time it restricts the Logi suit. As soon as you start forcing playstyles to certain suits, you crutch the game. I don't like Assault Logis anymore than anyone else, I don't like Heavies having ARs, I don't like having Mediums playing as Scouts... but its their RIGHT TO DO SO! Its the balance of free and open customization in this game. Eventually people find the best way to loophole the expected system and p*ss everyone off... Hate the player or hate the game? Change the player or change the game? I understand And... i agree ! That's why if they don't use at least 20% of their PG/CPU on equipement slot they still can use their fit. BUT it will be impossible for them to use these 20% for everything else. Like that they can do what they want without "breaking" the rules of the dropsuit.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 878	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:53:00 - [17] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sht ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Asholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote: So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot) At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... This.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 46	Posted - 2013.10.24 22:56:00 - [18] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sht ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will make Logi still competitive but not overpowered or better than assault. Logi are too powerful because of 2 things : -Asholes who don't fit equipement and get a full rack of complex mods. -Lot of PG/CPU used by mods and not by equipements as intended. Quote: So that's pretty simple. EVERY equipements slot MUST be fitted. CCP must block the fit if one equipement slot is empty (like when you don't have a weapon fitted the fit is "Not Valid") Battle logi will take Amarr or Caldari (3 slot only in proto) Support logi will take Minmatarr/Gallente (4slot) At least 20% of the used PG/CPU MUST be used for equipement No basic equipement (3 basic reppers that use nothing is PG/CPU) as a proto. You want a lot of PG/CPU to fit every mods you want ? Go away. Play as a real LOGI or get the fu*k out. With these two really simple thing we're gonna have balanced Logi. Logi will be still competitive (Versatile with high Slots/PG/CPU and lot of equipement slot). BUT will use it to help his teamates and still be an effective combat unit. (Not an extroardinary soldier) Like this post make than the Dev see it. It will balance everything. Logi who already play as intended will not be nerfed and Logi who use their fit as not as intended will be nerf. It's perfect isn't ? (I'm a 14Millions SP logi i know what i'm talking about. ) Don't need a assault buff or a too big Logi Nerf. It's gonna break the game nothing else. You must admit i found a great solution. (Honestly with objectivity.) Now please react to it give your opinion (A real opinion not whining people or little kids who just want to cry.) Make this thread got support make it getting up to the Dev or at least to a CPM.... This. Thanks dude but it's already the thread ^^' Just take the link and paste it everywhere they talk about Logi fix it will be simple for you !
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 284	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:40:00 - [19] - Quote Just give the second equipment slot back to proto assaults.
Monkey MAC killer taxi company General Tso's Alliance 865	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:43:00 - [20] - Quote Read 'em and Weep https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117231&find=unread The problem is not the logi, its the assault!

Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 48	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:46:00 - [21] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Read 'em and Weep https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=117231&find=unread The problem is not the logi, its the assault! In fact i think assault don't want to be "logi" they don't want to help people. They just want to play/kill. So yes we must separate them. A class that is designed to help and one to kill. But it should be more separated to be really "differant"
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1556	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:48:00 - [22] - Quote I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much?
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 48	Posted - 2013.10.24 23:52:00 - [23] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much? In fact in Amarr the PG is most important than CPU. Just divide your PG/CPU used by 100 then multiplicate by 20. Pretty simple. But the game will calculate it directly. No it's not too far because they could fit 3 compact nanohives and it will not be a fix to the problem.
Fizzer94 L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 554	Posted - 2013.10.25 00:01:00 - [24] - Quote Vyzion Eyri wrote: I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much? How about 20% of either one? That way it would effect armor and shield suits equally. 20% isn't to far at all BTW. Even my more assaulty ak.0s meet that requirement. 20% seems perfect to be honest.
Joel II X AHPA 65	Posted - 2013.10.25 00:04:00 - [25] - Quote I thought you were going to want the weapon replaced by a repper. +1 for a (finally) good solution.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French CRONOS. 49	Posted - 2013.10.25 00:10:00 - [26] - Quote Fizzer94 wrote: Vyzion Eyri wrote: I'm happy with just filling the equipment slots. The 20% requirement is too far, and too difficult to calculate. How do we know what is 20% of CPU AND PG, when their value is different? We know CPU is more important than PG, but by how much? How about 20% of either one? That way it would effect armor and shield suits equally. 20% isn't to far at all BTW. Even my more assaulty ak.0s meet that requirement. 20% seems perfect to be honest. Yep. the 20% affect CPU AND PG. To make Shield vs armor balanced. Quote: Posted: 2013.10.25 00:04 I thought you were going to want the weapon replaced by a repper. +1 for a (finally) good solution. Thanks don't forget a "like". It will help to get the idea to the dev.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2054	Posted - 2013.10.25 01:56:00 - [27] - Quote The problem with the OP thread is, a Simple Quantum scanner + Nanohives + compact nanohives do take more than 20% of my PG, Are ASsault intended,and i can STILL equip 720hP and an ASCR and a FLaylock pistol at ADV level for 45k ISK. Problem not solved. Nice try thou.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 376	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:02:00 - [28] - Quote The truth is there is no problem accept that people cannot get it out of their heads that logi does not equal healer. It simply means you have more CPU/PG and equipment slots than the assault at the expense of speed, HP, and 3 out of 4 cases a side arm. How that player uses those slots and CPU/PG defines his role, not the name of the suit they picked. This problem you all have invented is like saying it's a problem if an Amarr uses a mass driver or a Caldari a laser rifle. Get the terms logi is supposed to be.... and logi is intended to be..... out of your mind and the problem mystically solves itself.
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1104	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:03:00 - [29] - Quote So basically you want to take away fitting freedom? No. This is one of the solutions which doesn't make sense.
Alldin Kan MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 727	Posted - 2013.10.25 02:14:00 - [30] - Quote Mordecai Sanguine wrote: Okay i'm tired to see a lot of topic who wants to get down the logi but give some crappy ideas (only secondary weapon or other sh*t ). Or frustrated assault who want MOOOOOORE power again So there's a SIMPLE solution to not getting down the Logi power BUT to make the logi using his power as intended. This will... I thought we already talked about this.



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