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FAZER-B
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:25:00 -
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Prepare for a lot of crying.
The social model for this game sucks. The pressure to join a corporation sucks. And because the community is so small there aren't enough good corps to be match made against each other. I was just in a match against Dust2Dust and lost bad. Usually I would complain that one side had a full squad of corp members and that was the reason we lost. Then I look at the scoreboard and not person on my team had more than 1 kill. Is their corporation really that good, or is the mix of lone mercenaries really that bad? Well, probably both. They can't help but crush that side. It's automatic.
Many will say join corp I don't want to. This is not a problem for me in other shooters. I never consider having to get to know strangers in order to strictly enjoy the game. Then I realize that CCP has designed this to be a very social game. It's not pay to win, it's gang up to win. Cue my tears. Essentially, before the match starts, one side has corp members and one side doesn't. What's worse, the corp side sometimes has a mix of other corp members, too. People say the matchmaker is broken, and yet, I suspect this very intentional on CCPs part. They know that the social aspect, much like word of mouth sells their product. You may think this game is not a triple A title and want to quit Dust, but you might not want to quit the relationships you've formed while you played. Forced to form. I suppose if you like playing with people with their inside jokes, hanging out in the lobby forever, this isn't a problem for you. I've played this game a lot longer than my avatar suggests and I've noticed a good majority of corps have dissolved and become other corps because the social aspect of the game is good, until it isn't. People bicker and realize they aren't truly friends with these people. There's a ton of drama in a corp. You win, sure, but you don't like each other as much as you think you do. Blowing **** up is anti social thing to do, so to expect people to love each other in the process is flawed. People will say teamwork is everything, and their winning shows this, and yet individual competition creates secret resentment. Only those who benefit from their EVE ties can claim to have a thick skin about this, and overlook it, as just a part of New Eden.
When you see how badly you lose to six members of a corp, your instinct is I simply must join a corp or I will be toast. Sure other shooters have gangs and groups, but they aren't as top down as the Eve to Dust correlation. If you create a corp that isn't already established with a community that existed 10 years before dust was created, you can't expect any real ladder climbing.
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FAZER-B
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:25:00 -
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Then when it comes to 1v1 you almost kill a guy, but die instead. Then you realize he had double the armor as you. In other shooters you don't have worry about some weird long term investment that you hope will eventually make you even with the other longer playing enemy. I shouldn't be hammering a guy and realize he's not going to die anytime soon, asking myself WTF are you wearing. Then say, Oh yeah, I need to spend more time grinding then actually enjoying the game. Pretty much, not concerning myself with wins and losses, but focusing more on some two week task of getting a level 5 skill that should be available the moment you start playing this game. I have hammer mash the button over and over because there are skills for sprinting and slots for sprinting enhancements. The fact that I can run in BF4, and keep running has never felt better. Here again, is another flawed model of skill investment that I found just as annoying in Mag, another game that failed.
The satisfaction of killing a tank in BF4 is simple. You can expect a certain amount of hits to destroy it. Not in this game, no you have hope you have a myriad of skills and hopefully the right slots filled. Oh wait, you skilled into the wrong class for that and will need to spend another year skilling into that at the sacrifice of your current progress just to take out a tank regularly. Blowing up the tank is satisfying not skilling into that ability. I mean to say that more time is spent looking at skill trees and the marketplace than blowing up the tank and moving on to other enjoyable aspects of destruction. Here's where another problem lies. The so called smart shooter. Sorry if I stereotype the average dust shooter, but many are nerds who like the intricate math of shield percentage. This is a shooter and somehow I am made to feel like a stupid mindless grunt shooter by this community because I'm in favor of aggressively attacking an objective, not measuring out my personal inventory losses, as if those should matter more than a won or lost match. When I look at the map and I see other blue dots hanging back I have to bow down to them, play like them. Redline Redline Redline. Back to the nerd, so called smart shooter. For many of these dudes, this is the first and only shooter they've ever played, especially the ones who bought a PS3 just for dust. For them, they have nothing to compare the downside of dust with. For them, I need to get over the downsides of this game, because that's just how it is. Fine, be lord the flies, this game won't last.
I get it, this a free game. CCP is looking to make a player commit money and time in different way because they think free to play is the wave of the future. I hate it. I hate all those Angry bird games that started this model. Let me pay sixty bucks for a game and enjoy it, not hem and haw over how I must make this game enjoyable through cosmetic additions. Don't force into some long standing community of the elite. It's enough to see them with the same colors on the battlefield. These aren't my teammates in life. There, tears. Normally I'd be embarrassed by my rant, expecting nothing but backlash, but I'm quitting dust, so I don't care. I wont be responding to the people who make fun of me anyway. Backlash will help me quit. |
Fire of Prometheus
DUST University
Ivy League
1210
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:30:00 -
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Well I agree that being a part of a corp is a large part of being successful in this game, it's not everything, I've seen new berry teams demolish a team filled with corp squads, I was on the newberry side just rolling solo and was genuinely surprised and impressed.
Best of luck o7 |
Scoota Eu
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
15
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:31:00 -
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Can I have your stuff?
Join Corp before you quit. You might find the game fun. I can tell you that I don't log into Dust every day for the gameplay alone but log in to play with my buds/corpies |
FAZER-B
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:34:00 -
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Scoota Eu wrote:Can I have your stuff?
Join Corp before you quit. You might find the game fun. I can tell you that I don't log into Dust every day for the gameplay alone but log in to play with my buds/corpies
Yeah, I'll send it to you. It only like 13 mil. Crush a lone merc with it. |
FAZER-B
Osmon Surveillance
Caldari State
10
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:37:00 -
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Fazer B/ Vanda-Kon has left the dust arena. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc.
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3582
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:42:00 -
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FAZER-B wrote:Fazer B/ Vanda-Kon has left the dust arena.
Damnit I wanted your loot. It would buy me all of ..... 5 Tanks..... |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6656
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:43:00 -
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I would commend using the squad finder, you don't have to get to know them or form relationships, just a short term symbiosis. I would strongly advise to check back on Dust in 4 months later, things may improve in ways relevant to your issues with the game.
I personally prefer to play solo, I'm not much for building relationships by shooting people, but I think I do alright. If your team is getting stomped on and you don't want to join a corp, a temporary squad is a good option.
f you are serious about quitting and never coming back, please send ISK to KAGEHOSHI, not KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf. No point in letting that ISK go to waste. |
Dunk Mujunk
RestlessSpirits
187
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:43:00 -
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If the game isn't for you, that's fine. There is no reason to stick around if you aren't having fun. On the Corp stuff, I guess i'm one of the lucky few. I enjoy my Corp and the people in it. We may spend a few extra minutes bullsh*ting before going into battle, but with the 4-10 hour long grind sessions i'm a part of on the weekends (and some weeknights) I don't mind a bit of joking around. Lightens the mood. I'm not sure what the secret resentment stuff is all about, sounds like childish drama to me, glad I don't have to deal with it. Anyway, hope you find the game that's right for you. If you aren't getting any fun out of a video game, then yea, it's time to move on. Best of luck to you. |
Scoota Eu
GunFall Mobilization
Covert Intervention
15
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:44:00 -
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:I would commend using the squad finder, you don't have to get to know them or form relationships, just a short term symbiosis. I would strongly advise to check back on Dust in 4 months later, things may improve in ways relevant to your issues with the game.
I personally prefer to play solo, I'm not much for building relationships by shooting people, but I think I do alright. If your team is getting stomped on and you don't want to join a corp, a temporary squad is a good option.
f you are serious about quitting and never coming back, please send ISK to KAGEHOSHI, not KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf. No point in letting that ISK go to waste.
Quote for truth. Bar the isk part. Early bird catches the worm. |
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Darth-Carbonite GIO
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
211
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:46:00 -
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We made you leave Dust? 
Seriously, sorry about that. If you want to know what it's like on the other side, send an app. You could do worse. |
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
6656
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Posted - 2013.10.24 20:49:00 -
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Regarding fighting tanks, just stack damage mods, use a standard swarm launcher, use standard packed AV grenades, and nanohive to resupply swarms and grenades; this sort of combo I find very effective without investing too much SP. Keep in mind tank players have invested lots of SP to be successful, and their tanks are substantial ISK investments; the ease and costs of destroying a tank should be balanced with the ease and costs of tanking.
and yes, grinding SUCKS. |
Django Quik
Dust2Dust.
Top Men.
1632
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:02:00 -
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I think I know the match you refer too and we too were surprised at how bad your team were - I think our side lost 10 clones total and only one was by a D2D guy. It happens - we weren't running proto gear and we're certainly not the best corp in the game but we have been playing together a good while now and know how to play well - it is entirely down to matchmaking that games like this occur and a no-squads game mode option would solve a lot of the issues that adamant soloists like yourself suffer.
However, your personal gripes go deeper than getting screwed by matchmaking - your problem (as I understand from what you've said) is with the entire make-up of this game. This is not your average shooter. If all you want is a game to run around and shoot stuff and absolutely nothing more, you'll be wanting BF or one of the other multitude of clones out there. But Dust is different. This is a game that changes as you play, that develops the longer you've been playing and with the effort that you put into it. This is also a game that is hugely affected by teamwork and no one person can win a match alone, so yes, when there is an organised squad on one side and no such thing on the other, likelihood is that the squad will dominate, like we did over you earlier.
It sounds like this game is not for you - that's fair enough; it's not everyone's cup of tea but the game itself is not inherently bad. It's just not for you and others like you but that's okay because there are thousands of people who Dust is suited to and they enjoy playing every day. It will keep going because of the people that do love it in spite of typical FPS players like yourself disliking it.
That said though, I encourage you to give social playing a go. I was like you about 18 months ago and the idea of playing anything online, particularly MMOs, was a massive no-no. I didn't like playing with strangers and having to rely on people I didn't know to make up any aspect of my playing experience. But then I gave Dust a go. I randomly met some people and started playing together more often. I eventually got myself a mic and started actually talking to them. And here I am now, over a year later, still playing with many of these same guys (having moved together from RIFT to D2D over the past year). Whatever you think about these 'artificial online relationships', it is possible to make friends through games. So, just give it a go and I assure you, it will enhance your playing experience ten-fold. |
Vell0cet
Royal Uhlans
Amarr Empire
438
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:11:00 -
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I'm in much the same position of the OP. I like to avoid drama within corps. The Squad finder has helped me meet some cool people in a game-changing way. 1.5 was a much bigger update for this reason than people give it credit for. I like how DUST is designed around teamwork and tactical play, it's the most compelling shooter I've ever played, even with its flaws. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
864
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:28:00 -
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Im sorry but
WTFH?
Do a little research and you can easily see this isn't meant to be your average shooter, normally I try to give advice on said perso , might improve there experience but for you I have only 1!
LEAVE
This game isn't and never will be your cup of tea!! |
Mr Foster VI
Foster Industries
23
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:30:00 -
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if you come back, you can join me. I'm a solo corp and you sound like my type of person.
if you gave your isk away, I'll replace it for you... |
gbghg
L.O.T.I.S.
Public Disorder.
3748
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:30:00 -
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That comment about the maths nerds was a pretty inaccurate stereotype, a lot of people like myself just like to tinker with stuff, a pretty basic understanding of how the maths and stacking penalties work is all that's needed, and pretty much all of thats maths is just basic percentages. people are more than happy to explain it, you just need to ask.
as for those guys who are overly concerned about their isk gain/loss ratio, well nobody can cure a carebear now can they? |
Yelhsa Jin-Mao
Mannar Focused Warfare
Gallente Federation
62
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Posted - 2013.10.24 22:32:00 -
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FAZER-B wrote:Scoota Eu wrote:Can I have your stuff?
Join Corp before you quit. You might find the game fun. I can tell you that I don't log into Dust every day for the gameplay alone but log in to play with my buds/corpies Yeah, I'll send it to you. It only like 13 mil. Crush a lone merc with it.
Dude, I'd suck your **** for 13 mil. No home.
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Kiro Justice
the unholy legion of darkstar
DARKSTAR ARMY
520
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:33:00 -
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Yeah, this game is...It's bad... |
Sarcastic Dreamkiller
I Play Solo
49
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:47:00 -
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I wasn't forced to join a corp or anything (and my current goal is to never use the squad finder) I've also seen an entire team of Anonymous get crushed by a team of myself and 15 randoms, so the game is not completely one sided towards corporations and teamwork. (f*** teamwork) |
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Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1155
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:48:00 -
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Darth-Carbonite GIO wrote:We made you leave Dust? Seriously, sorry about that. If you want to know what it's like on the other side, send an app. You could do worse.
Confirmed this was a D2D alt making a stealth brag topic.
Only joking love you guys. (no homo) (well maybe a little  ) |
J0LLY R0G3R
Unkn0wn Killers
156
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:54:00 -
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Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:FAZER-B wrote:Scoota Eu wrote:Can I have your stuff?
Join Corp before you quit. You might find the game fun. I can tell you that I don't log into Dust every day for the gameplay alone but log in to play with my buds/corpies Yeah, I'll send it to you. It only like 13 mil. Crush a lone merc with it. Dude, I'd suck your **** for 13 mil. No home.
I gotta CHEEEEEEEESEEEBurger |
Medic 1879
Forsaken Immortals
Top Men.
1155
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:55:00 -
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J0LLY R0G3R wrote:Yelhsa Jin-Mao wrote:FAZER-B wrote:Scoota Eu wrote:Can I have your stuff?
Join Corp before you quit. You might find the game fun. I can tell you that I don't log into Dust every day for the gameplay alone but log in to play with my buds/corpies Yeah, I'll send it to you. It only like 13 mil. Crush a lone merc with it. Dude, I'd suck your **** for 13 mil. No home. I gotta CHEEEEEEEESEEEBurger
Damn you I have to go dig out THAT film again. |
KalOfTheRathi
Nec Tributis
845
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Posted - 2013.10.25 01:56:00 -
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FAZER-B wrote:Fazer B/ Vanda-Kon has left the dust arena. Vanda-Kon?
I thought that whining sounded familiar.
Buh Bye. |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom
Renegade Alliance
749
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:01:00 -
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this isn't some soft-core 'title'. this is a game that's meant to last.
try that fish game. |
Paran Tadec
Ancient Exiles
1485
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:08:00 -
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Dear NFL, please let me play QB in the super bowl alone. I shouldnt have to get drafted to play pro ball and play on a team if I dont want to. |
Thor McStrut
Reckoners
292
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:09:00 -
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Well, this game isn't for you. I'd recommend one of those other typical shooters that your are comparing Dust to. Thanks for trying, and not trying to make Dust into something that everyone else is doing. |
Thor Odinson42
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1709
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Posted - 2013.10.25 02:32:00 -
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A game that is centered around team play and corporations.
Doesn't want to join a corp.
Is mad that squads and teams used to working with one another are more effective.
Admits knowledge of this fact (that would be true in any case in any walk of life).
They probably have meds to help with stuff like this. |
dustwaffle
The Southern Legion
The Umbra Combine
612
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:01:00 -
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Good luck and hope you find satisfaction in other games.
Can I have your stuff? |
Meeko Fent
expert intervention
Caldari State
1275
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Posted - 2013.10.25 03:21:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:FAZER-B wrote:Fazer B/ Vanda-Kon has left the dust arena. Damnit I wanted your loot. It would buy me all of ..... 5 Tanks.....
You must have some stupidly expensive tanks then.
I have an awesome Soma with 4k armor and 18% passive resist. 400k ISK.
Why are you tanks so stupidly costly? |
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