Heavy - Dmg mods/protection
Assault - Dmg mods/weapons

What if you are an assault/heavy and you are not speced into dmg mods? I think the current system is fine it's just the scouts that need work. If you are an assault and you want to sacrifice speed/shield recharge/prof. dampening ect. to get a ****-ton of HP you should be able too. If you are a heavy and you want to run as fast as a scout (not gonna happen but still) you should be able to try. Adding in penalties for trying a new type of fitting is wrong. If you are doing this then it's no different than the class system in BF3, you may think you are different than everyone else but in reality the only thing he doesn't have is a red dot.

So basically "Waaaaaah the mean assault man is killing me, how dare he choose a class designed to be versatile and not die to my fitting thats designed for a very specific purpose"

Now let the tears flow like whine from guys getting butt hurt at that statement

This suggestion reminds me of something i talked about for quite some day. Bonuses and shield\armor balancing.

Dual tanking is another example of that issue. You dont have penalties for using shield extenders (there should be though), and you cant use a too big penalty for wearing armor plates or you risk hurting too much specific suits.

So in the end, your best bet is to try and mix both as much as you can. (behold the logis of doom and their multiple slots)

So yeah, i'd support adding a layer to the suits that would reinforce the feeling they are intended to use specific modules and encourage ppl in sticking to that without taking away the possibilities to mix everything a little.

For example, if we had a higher movement penalties for plates and a bonus tied to the Gallente Suits that would reduce that penalty, you could end up with gallente having lower penalties than what we have now and shield warriors being way much carefull on stacking those plates because it would chew their speed away.

With the current skill tree, a solution would be to tie a bonus to the basic frame skill of every suit. That bonus would apply on both basic and specialised suits of the same race.

Dont get that everyone understands the problem with logis having countless slots but CCP....even the CPM knows they need fixing. Whats the holdup CCP?

Not sure how i should take that

On a more serious note. It's something i, and many others, have said day one we saw uprising. Actually i also mentionned it pre-uprising regarding how the Logi VK1 suit was a better assault than any other assault suit.

Now it's called CK0, has other racial friends, and is better than any other suit as those have become less interesting than they were.

But logis need their slots to be able and use top tier equipments. Real issue is that using logis without equipment but with many buffers gives better result than using the suits made to be actual gunners\tankers\scouts.

So the solution isnt to nerf logis. It's to take them, and every other suit, back into their role. Just using the racial and specialization bonuses would be enough for that.

Bonus HP for heavies. Heavy weapon bonus for each race
Bonus to nanite clusters amount for logitistics. Equipment Specific bonuses for every race ( repair gun efficiency, drop uplink spawn speed etc..)
Bonus to light weapons\side arm PG\CPU consumption for assaults. Weapon Specific bonuses for each race.
Bonus to radar signature (lower) for Scouts. Specific race bonuses tied to black ops activity (knives, hacking time, cloack efficiency when its available, sniper rifle)

Tons of possibility to push slayers out of the logi class while not hurting actual logis.

I've never understood the whole "logis need all those slots" thing. Somebody has to explain to me why a Caldari Logi with 350 CPU and 78PG with 3 highs, 2 lows and 3 equip slots cant do its job.

couldnt have said it better. if a logi can explain that to me i'd be satisfied as well.

I've never understood the whole "logis need all those slots" thing. Somebody has to explain to me why a Caldari Logi with 350 CPU and 78PG with 3 highs, 2 lows and 3 equip slots cant do its job.

the uprising tac AR was also versatile as it dominated close range and far. its bad design.......i dont fault you taking advantage of it but its hardly operating as intended.

well...logibros?

I've never understood the whole "logis need all those slots" thing. Somebody has to explain to me why a Caldari Logi with 350 CPU and 78PG with 3 highs, 2 lows and 3 equip slots cant do its job.

Hehe. you're one of the most highly respected people on the forums so no worries.

I've never understood the whole "logis need all those slots" thing. Somebody has to explain to me why a Caldari Logi with 350 CPU and 78PG with 3 highs, 2 lows and 3 equip slots cant do its job.

I've never understood the whole "logis need all those slots" thing. Somebody has to explain to me why a Caldari Logi with 350 CPU and 78PG with 3 highs, 2 lows and 3 equip slots cant do its job.

apparently u havent seen the active scanner in action. this can still happen but not with the current setup.

logi with 3/2 is fine.

Give logos a triage repair module that goes into the weapon slot (or rather, remove the weapon slot and give it a new type of weapon slot), that when used, puts you stationary for X seconds, but does a radius based repair sweep. Two main variants, armour or shield.

Kind of like compact nano hive. Maybe puts up a bubble for 5 seconds, with a cooldown of 10 seconds, at 5 or so meters radius.
Numbers just to give an idea of how it'd work.

I'd like to see the Logistics suit forced into the support role. As it is now, I prioritise support, but I still outperform my gallente assault suit.

My logistics has a little bit more armour, about the same armour repair, and 1 complex 1 enhanced, instead of 2 complex damage mods. And the lack of a sidearm, but that's rarely an issue. It still performs better, but I can also accomplish two different tasks.

Give logos a triage repair module that goes into the weapon slot (or rather, remove the weapon slot and give it a new type of weapon slot), that when used, puts you stationary for X seconds, but does a radius based repair sweep. Two main variants, armour or shield.

Kind of like compact nano hive. Maybe puts up a bubble for 5 seconds, with a cooldown of 10 seconds, at 5 or so meters radius.
Numbers just to give an idea of how it'd work.

I'd like to see the Logistics suit forced into the support role. As it is now, I prioritise support, but I still outperform my gallente assault suit.

My logistics has a little bit more armour, about the same armour repair, and 1 complex 1 enhanced, instead of 2 complex damage mods. And the lack of a sidearm, but that's rarely an issue. It still performs better, but I can also accomplish two different tasks.

Hehe. you're one of the most highly respected people on the forums so no worries.

I've never understood the whole "logis need all those slots" thing. Somebody has to explain to me why a Caldari Logi with 350 CPU and 78PG with 3 highs, 2 lows and 3 equip slots cant do its job.

one of those threads again... oh look all the credibility of anti logi supporters just went down the toilet, again! who would guess that happens

funny how those anti logi threads are always wrong and with biased opinions, there are plenty of tradeoffs for being a logi. my logi and assault proto fits have the about same EHP. my assault on the other hand has higher strafe speed, more forward speed and more stamina. my amarr logi is almost as slow as a heavy. my logi is also more expensive because it has more slots to fill. that is a fair tradeoff actually.

I repeat it again for all the kids that dont get it:
-logi, assault and medium frames have all about the same EHP after fitting modules
-assault is, after fitting, cheaper because it has less slots to fill
-logi is slower, more expensive to fit in exchange for extra equipment.

it also does not matter how you think logis should be played, deal with it.

you want to nerf logis? how about this: remove equipment slot of assaults then, you are not meant to have supportive equipment, you are there to attack and die. after that happens you can slightly nerf the logi EHP. you dont like it? of course you dont, because that idea is stupid, just as yours. see what I did here?

anything that makes scouts better and stops logis from being the ultimate weapon.

Logis are given the amount of slots they have because, when fitted out with decent equipment, we do not have the fitting cost to equip all higher tier defensive modules. We are already forced to sacrifice some potential HP in order to play a supportive role.

If some "assault" players feel they need the crutch of extra HP in order to be any good, then so be it.

Taking away slots from the Logi Suits will do nothing but gimp true Logistic Players' defensive abilities to the point of destroying the class entirely.

I did not know healing and scanning was considered an ultimate weapon

Last time I remember, medics arent meant to be at the front line, so why are they complaining if they cant tank like a heavy?
If the attackers run out into the open and exposing their medic, they deserve to die and the medic has every right to retreat, but instead we have logis who want to run out into the open soaking more damage than an assault and dishing the same amount of damage.

My logi has no problem repping and reviving while laying down supporting fire and staying out of harms way.



I have no problem fitting full complex shield extenders, enhanced armor plates, and complex armor reps while having a proto nanohive, basic or advanced nanite injector, and either an advanced rep gun or advanced scanner. As for my main gun, I usually go with GEK but I could easily drop one of my underused equipment for a proto duvolle. When building my logi, I start out with a very strong foundation, then work my way up to equipment. I dont need proto equipment and I do just fine. All the extra CPU/PG just makes it even easier.

no that would be 3 dmg mods and two extenders which the caldari can do, or have 4 armor and a repper which the gallente can. even the minny has 4-4-4 when it should have 4-1-4.

Ha ha ha 1 equipment on a Logi!

You really want the "slayer logi" to flourish!

its one low slot. cmon!

Exactly my point! As a true support logi you are sacrificing either damage output or defense or both if you want to run better equipment.

On my Standard MinLogi, I have a Gek, standard Locus Grenades, advanced hives, advanced rep, advanced nanite injector, 2 basic shield extenders, an enhanced repairer and basic plate.

Could I drop the equipment back a tier for more offense/defense capability, sure, but I would be sacrificing my ability to support my team.

I'll be able to stack a bit more defense once I get Elec. and Eng. to 5. I currently have Core Upgrades 5, Elec. and Eng. 3. Light Weapon Op. 3 and Explosives 3 to squeeze as much CPU as I can out.

These optimization skills are still low because I just began speccing into logistics and light weapons. I'm primarily specced in Heavies.

Easy Fix - their specialty is no other suit has multiple equip slots anymore which is fair. They dont need a ridiculous amount of high/low slots anymore.

they should have one less of high/low than assault of the same class.

This^

Am I the only one who doesn't have trouble with logis? The logi suit should not be gimped so strongly that assaults are guaranteed a kill -the better player should come out on top in a fair fight between two suits of the same weight class.

What should happen is a buff to the Assault class's spec bonus. an extra 5% per level to regen isn't all that good, if they were to get one that could match the passive hp regen of the logi things would be fine.