DUST Search - [Feedback/Suggestion] Scanners out of control => changes are required

Den-tredje Baron wrote:

Jack McReady wrote:

currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned.

this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore.

you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN.

in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced.

DO YOUR RESEARCH !!!
Really dude i've been running with the very first active scanner (the one just called active scanner) and i've NEVER !! never encountered a partial scan only 100% accurate scans. This doesn't say anything about the scanner it tells something about how pitifull sensor dampening skills people have. They'll rather stack 4 shield / damage mods and be scanned and then cry about it-¦rather than try to mask their signal and be a bit more sneaky Shocked

Trust me dude train sensor dampening up a few levels and suddenly you'll become scanners worst nightmare because you get so much tunnel vision that you don't really notice the guy who's not scanned.
If you are scanned your dead Twisted

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Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 727	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:54:00 - [1] - Quote currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced.
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 436	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:02:00 - [2] - Quote Range is fine. Instead: Tie range scanned to duration of scan. E.G. For a scanner with 100m range and a 10 sec scan duration, at 5 seconds into the scan I will be revealing enemies at the 50m range. - Significantly reduces the effectiveness of spinning Increase scan cooldown - Makes it more difficult to scan spam the enemy
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 423	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:29:00 - [3] - Quote Why not just shoot the guy with the scanner in his hand?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 730	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:12:00 - [4] - Quote Draco Cerberus wrote: Why not just shoot the guy with the scanner in his hand? yeah lets shoot they gut sitting 100m away behind a wall?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 735	Posted - 2013.10.22 14:37:00 - [5] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced. noobs need to work on their electronics skills. scanners are fine.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 126	Posted - 2013.10.22 15:00:00 - [6] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced. I dont see why thats a bad thing, you can only bee seeing the Enemy. ! If you're worried that the same is for the otherside and all you are how you say, Perma scanned, get a proto dampener. LOL, I cant wait, get a scout suit and a couple of profile dampeners and when that invisible shielding comes in. Ouch if he/she is a shotty. Now theres an idea.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 732	Posted - 2013.10.22 15:13:00 - [7] - Quote Heavenly Daughter wrote: LOL, I cant wait, get a scout suit and a couple of profile dampeners and when that invisible shielding comes in. Ouch if he/she is a shotty. Now theres an idea. and then a 600 DPS aim assisted weapon kills you under a second because you can still be seen by the eye. sounds like a good idea.
CLONE117 Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 424	Posted - 2013.10.22 15:14:00 - [8] - Quote lets just have a consequence of using a scanner lets say....giant red arrow pops above your head every time u use a scanner?
pegasis prime BIG BAD W0LVES 1177	Posted - 2013.10.22 16:00:00 - [9] - Quote God whats all the hate with scanners ..... look at it this way. Max can be run of 3 squads so if younhave 2 6man and 1 4 man squad and if 2 mercs on each squad have a scanner its a max of 6 scanners scanning but each pair is onky for 1 squad and only kets that squad see the results so it will appear tgat everyone has scanners . If you dont use one or any form of profile dampening then you have nonreall oppinion on scanning equipment.
Den-tredje Baron the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY 239	Posted - 2013.10.22 17:53:00 - [10] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced. DO YOUR RESEARCH !!! Really dude i've been running with the very first active scanner (the one just called active scanner) and i've NEVER !! never encountered a partial scan only 100% accurate scans. This doesn't say anything about the scanner it tells something about how pitifull sensor dampening skills people have. They'll rather stack 4 shield / damage mods and be scanned and then cry about it-¦rather than try to mask their signal and be a bit more sneaky Trust me dude train sensor dampening up a few levels and suddenly you'll become scanners worst nightmare because you get so much tunnel vision that you don't really notice the guy who's not scanned. If you are scanned your dead

Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 331	Posted - 2013.10.22 18:37:00 - [11] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: Jack McReady wrote: currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced. DO YOUR RESEARCH !!! Really dude i've been running with the very first active scanner (the one just called active scanner) and i've NEVER !! never encountered a partial scan only 100% accurate scans. This doesn't say anything about the scanner it tells something about how pitifull sensor dampening skills people have. They'll rather stack 4 shield / damage mods and be scanned and then cry about it-¦rather than try to mask their signal and be a bit more sneaky Trust me dude train sensor dampening up a few levels and suddenly you'll become scanners worst nightmare because you get so much tunnel vision that you don't really notice the guy who's not scanned. If you are scanned your dead This, Active scanners made medium frames trust their surroundings again, which is what I take advantage off as a scout
SickJ sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 103	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:17:00 - [12] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: lets just have a consequence of using a scanner lets say....giant red arrow pops above your head every time u use a scanner? I can see that. IRL, submarines have to turn off their active sonar to stay hidden, stealth jets do the same with their radar. P.S. Draco Cerberus I like the way you think.
Lynn Beck Granite Mercenary Division 151	Posted - 2013.10.22 19:19:00 - [13] - Quote Yeah... Except the part where 'some margin of error' pops up, so you wait for the 8 seconds and rescan specific areas. Scout desd thanks to 1-3 ar users.
Happy Jack SD Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 7	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:09:00 - [14] - Quote Lynn Beck wrote: Yeah... Except the part where 'some margin of error' pops up, so you wait for the 8 seconds and rescan specific areas. Scout desd thanks to 1-3 ar users. Except the margin of error comes from the dropsuits scan profile, not how long or how many times the suit is scanned.
Rinzler XVII Forsaken Immortals Top Men. 154	Posted - 2013.10.22 20:23:00 - [15] - Quote CLONE117 wrote: lets just have a consequence of using a scanner lets say....giant red arrow pops above your head every time u use a scanner? The person using the scanner gets lit up onto enemy screens whilst the scan is in progress
Vulpes Dolosus Neanderthal Nation Public Disorder. 128	Posted - 2013.10.22 21:46:00 - [16] - Quote The scanner is OP because there is no viable counter to it. I'd suggest buffing the profile dampeners rather than a scanner nerf.
Draco Cerberus Hell's Gate Inc 428	Posted - 2013.10.22 21:49:00 - [17] - Quote If you have ever watched someone scanning they have a giant arrow of sorts. There is a bright white beam of light where there gun normally is. For those of you used to detecting people visually rather than by scanning this should be just like a bright red arrow. 2 or 3 days ago I was playing a faction match and was watching the scanner from the other team walking by me, dropped a grenade after cooking it and blew him up. Not so hard to get them during a scan, of course the scanner locks to them when they use it for the scan duration like a scrambler overheating so this is not hard to do. In dark areas where people think its a good place to hide while they scan, these guys are most obvious, making me wonder, where is a good place to scan?
Dusters Blog Galactic News Network 459	Posted - 2013.10.22 23:14:00 - [18] - Quote how about giving them a true cooldown? 15 sec for proto, 30 for adv and 45 for std.
Fiddler Galaine Northwind Alliance Dark Taboo 37	Posted - 2013.10.23 00:27:00 - [19] - Quote Dusters Blog wrote: how about giving them a true cooldown? 15 sec for proto, 30 for adv and 45 for std. Sure. Why don't we just reduce the scan range to 1m and only allow it to pick up heavies why we're at it?
Oswald Rehnquist Abandoned Privilege General Tso's Alliance 333	Posted - 2013.10.23 00:34:00 - [20] - Quote Vulpes Dolosus wrote: The scanner is OP because there is no viable counter to it. I'd suggest buffing the profile dampeners rather than a scanner nerf. I believed this as well or heard the same thing at any rate but I don't think I have seen its effects, I am also able to scan entire hostile armies while I am in the middle of them and in cover yet not one of them notices. If it does exist, its not very powerful or I am very blind, one or the other.

Garth Mandra The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 171	Posted - 2013.10.23 01:41:00 - [21] - Quote I defeat scans all the time in my assault and logi suits. Sometimes even when I'm not running damps. Currently a medium frame suit has to devote two low slots to defeat the common proto scanners. This seems fine to me. The current 360 spin is a bit silly I'll admit.
hgghyujh expert intervention Caldari State 132	Posted - 2013.10.23 02:08:00 - [22] - Quote oh for fucks sake if you are paying attention you can see where it is coming from you don't need an arrow, also this is a good this as it make something other then tank effective, as an assault/heavy/logi scanning shouldn't be a concern as you should have support, and as a scout you rarely get successfully scanned. now the range is a little bit rediculous but only on older maps its about right for new maps. I'd be willing to see longer range scanners take longer to scan, although I would rather scanning be interpretable and you get less range and accuracy the shorter you run the scanner. like you get a nice long 20-50m accuracy slope that travles the range of the scanner in like 20-30 sec for full range and full accuracy and 10-15 sec for half accuracy at full range(its a curve so half range in this case would still be full accuracy). thats how i would do it at least.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 737	Posted - 2013.10.23 07:24:00 - [23] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: Jack McReady wrote: currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced. DO YOUR RESEARCH !!! Really dude i've been running with the very first active scanner (the one just called active scanner) and i've NEVER !! never encountered a partial scan only 100% accurate scans. This doesn't say anything about the scanner it tells something about how pitifull sensor dampening skills people have. They'll rather stack 4 shield / damage mods and be scanned and then cry about it-¦rather than try to mask their signal and be a bit more sneaky Trust me dude train sensor dampening up a few levels and suddenly you'll become scanners worst nightmare because you get so much tunnel vision that you don't really notice the guy who's not scanned. If you are scanned your dead here goes your credibility... poof its away. I guess you should actually do research and learn some math because you obviously dont know how scanners work.
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven 262	Posted - 2013.10.23 08:02:00 - [24] - Quote People that scan can just rotate so the cone of scanning is a useless stat. We need scanners to not be able to rotate and have a dropoff of the accuracy for longer range targets. So a dropsuit with high profile can be equal to a scout at a long enough range.
hgghyujh expert intervention Caldari State 133	Posted - 2013.10.23 08:32:00 - [25] - Quote yea you should lose accuracy for turning.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 4706	Posted - 2013.10.23 13:13:00 - [26] - Quote I think it's fine. It actually gives scout suits some role due to their profile dampening effectiveness.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 739	Posted - 2013.10.23 14:46:00 - [27] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: I think it's fine. It actually gives scout suits some role due to their profile dampening effectiveness. last time I fitted a medium suit for speed and dampening I had more EHP and almost same speed as scouts.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 739	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:08:00 - [28] - Quote bump. the worst about it, to negate the scanner, I have to give up alot of EHP. if an AR user sees me with a damp fit out, he can down me in 0.5s. the scanner on the other hand has no real downsides. there is basically no viable counter for it. funny to see how all the defenders are not getting it or trying to save their crutch. you can be sure that it will be nerfed in its current form, CCP is quite good at balancing actually.
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 286	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:27:00 - [29] - Quote Den-tredje Baron wrote: Jack McReady wrote: currently all matches I am in, pretty much everything is perma scanned. this changes the flow of the game into a zergfest because there is not room for flanking, hit and run or any other sneaky tactics anymore. you can also detect uplinks at longer ranges AGAIN. in short, imho the scanners put the gameplay a step back because they are just that good. range of scanners needs to be significantly reduced. DO YOUR RESEARCH !!! Really dude i've been running with the very first active scanner (the one just called active scanner) and i've NEVER !! never encountered a partial scan only 100% accurate scans. This doesn't say anything about the scanner it tells something about how pitifull sensor dampening skills people have. They'll rather stack 4 shield / damage mods and be scanned and then cry about it-¦rather than try to mask their signal and be a bit more sneaky Trust me dude train sensor dampening up a few levels and suddenly you'll become scanners worst nightmare because you get so much tunnel vision that you don't really notice the guy who's not scanned. If you are scanned your dead Agree, player base is not skilling into dampening and getting upset about it. Scanner has now made EWAR skills more valuable than tank or gank in some cases. My scout has about 5M invested into the electronics tree and less than 60k SP invested into shield and armor mods combined. If you don't like being scanned, maybe skill into dampening? All I'm saying...
pseudosnipre DUST University Ivy League 286	Posted - 2013.10.24 15:32:00 - [30] - Quote +1 Ability to use spinning scanners is a gross oversight by CCP that the playerbase is happily exploiting. Why specify angle of detection at all, just make it a bar that you spin around like a doppler radar. Not that I want it fixed...



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