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Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:00:00 -
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HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! AV would not be an issue if Vehicles weren't so damn expensive!! in my personal opinion lowering the price of tanks and dropships would be a silver bullet to the AV vs Vehicle BS , honestly what do you guys think? would more vehicles on the field be a bad thing? it would mean more points for AV users and less rage from the vehicle users who lose 10 games worth of cash for every good vehicle >:C |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
615
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:09:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!!
In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous.
Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
25
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:16:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous. Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. you are taking me the wrong way , i like vehicles as they are now not overpowering but still can dish out pain i also think the AV is almost spot on , my issue is that vehicles are way to overpriced i dont find it very fair that i lose so damn mutch for 1 vehicle , basicly im saying cheaper vehicles = more vehicles in every match which = more fun!!! instead of the same old infantry run and gun every game :C |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
738
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:21:00 -
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At least they're still in the game right now.... |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
616
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:21:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous. Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. you are taking me the wrong way , i like vehicles as they are now not overpowering but still can dish out pain i also think the AV is almost spot on , my issue is that vehicles are way to overpriced i dont find it very fair that i lose so damn mutch for 1 vehicle , basicly im saying cheaper vehicles = more vehicles in every match which = more fun!!! instead of the same old infantry run and gun every game :C
Fair enough, will agree with that the price tag for tanks is pretty high for most people. |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
221
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:22:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous. Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. you are taking me the wrong way , i like vehicles as they are now not overpowering but still can dish out pain i also think the AV is almost spot on , my issue is that vehicles are way to overpriced i dont find it very fair that i lose so damn mutch for 1 vehicle , basicly im saying cheaper vehicles = more vehicles in every match which = more fun!!! instead of the same old infantry run and gun every game :C
So when you go shopping in real life for a car do you complain that it is over priced? Cause a simole thing like a pedestrian can killI it? Or that your jeans are cheap so the car must cost less to compensate for that fact? Vehicles are larger than suits. Strongerthan suits and obviously cost more to transport. So the cost is fine. Jist remeber that if thier is av on the field don't drop a tank.
Problem solved. |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
25
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:28:00 -
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So when you go shopping in real life for a car do you complain that it is over priced? Cause a simole thing like a pedestrian can killI it? Or that your jeans are cheap so the car must cost less to compensate for that fact? Vehicles are larger than suits. Strongerthan suits and obviously cost more to transport. So the cost is fine. Jist remeber that if thier is av on the field don't drop a tank.
Problem solved. [/quote] lol ridiculous argument point .a) ITS A GAME point .b) it should be fun , it isnt point .c) dont drop if theres AV?......might aswell remove vehicles then !!! |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
221
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:33:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:
So when you go shopping in real life for a car do you complain that it is over priced? Cause a simole thing like a pedestrian can killI it? Or that your jeans are cheap so the car must cost less to compensate for that fact? Vehicles are larger than suits. Strongerthan suits and obviously cost more to transport. So the cost is fine. Jist remeber that if thier is av on the field don't drop a tank.
Problem solved.
lol ridiculous argument point .a) ITS A GAME point .b) it should be fun , it isnt point .c) dont drop if theres AV?......might aswell remove vehicles then !!![/quote]
A science fiction game. Fictional story based on scienctific possibilites. This isn't a fantasy game. And when I loose tanks I grind and get more. Stuff happens. But if vehicles get cheaper then all you'll ever see is vehicles. Goodbye infantry.
Man up a little. Dust isn't for kittens. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
739
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:34:00 -
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People seem to be misunderstanding here.
OP wants vehicles to cost less, because right now the impact they have on a match does not justify their cost. If a 20,000 ISK or whatever forge gun on the enemy team is enough to stop someone from bringing in a 500,000 ISK + vehicle that would have a minimal impact anyway then something is wrong in terms of balance.
We'll have to wait and see what CCP does with vehicles in the next few patches though. |
Jade Dragonis
GRIM MARCH
221
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:37:00 -
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Tectonious Falcon wrote:People seem to be misunderstanding here.
OP wants vehicles to cost less, because right now the impact they have on a match does not justify their cost. If a 20,000 ISK or whatever forge gun on the enemy team is enough to stop someone from bringing in a 500,000 ISK + vehicle that would have a minimal impact anyway then something is wrong in terms of balance.
We'll have to wait and see what CCP does with vehicles in the next few patches though.
And yet Duna2002 and Blackheart555 run tanks and three proto forge guns couldn't kill them. They work well together and with thier squad. They always stomp. So maybe its the driver and not the tank. |
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BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
94
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:39:00 -
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You ARE DRIVING A TANK! Those things aren't cheap. My proto logi runs almost 300,000 per suit. Not the price of a Tank but still rather expensive. Don't be reckless with your HAVs. Push in kill infrantry when AV comes pull back and let your fott soliders kill a few waves of AV then push back in. Your not invincible.
As for your isk issues, look up what a "Budget" is. You might learn how to operate inside one. |
Tectonious Falcon
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
740
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:39:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:People seem to be misunderstanding here.
OP wants vehicles to cost less, because right now the impact they have on a match does not justify their cost. If a 20,000 ISK or whatever forge gun on the enemy team is enough to stop someone from bringing in a 500,000 ISK + vehicle that would have a minimal impact anyway then something is wrong in terms of balance.
We'll have to wait and see what CCP does with vehicles in the next few patches though. And yet Duna2002 and Blackheart555 run tanks and three proto forge guns couldn't kill them. They work well together and with thier squad. They always stomp. So maybe its the driver and not the tank.
I'm guessing they always stomp new berries in pubs. |
Cenex Langly
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
261
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:39:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous. Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. you are taking me the wrong way , i like vehicles as they are now not overpowering but still can dish out pain i also think the AV is almost spot on , my issue is that vehicles are way to overpriced i dont find it very fair that i lose so damn mutch for 1 vehicle , basicly im saying cheaper vehicles = more vehicles in every match which = more fun!!! instead of the same old infantry run and gun every game :C
If they were not at their price, then this game would be "World of Tanks" and everyone would drive them and it would not be a shooter or AR 514, as it is now. They are priced that way because with a tank you can go 16 v 1 and survive, unless a specialized character comes in with AV to kill you. |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
27
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:42:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:Tectonious Falcon wrote:People seem to be misunderstanding here.
OP wants vehicles to cost less, because right now the impact they have on a match does not justify their cost. If a 20,000 ISK or whatever forge gun on the enemy team is enough to stop someone from bringing in a 500,000 ISK + vehicle that would have a minimal impact anyway then something is wrong in terms of balance.
We'll have to wait and see what CCP does with vehicles in the next few patches though. And yet Duna2002 and Blackheart555 run tanks and three proto forge guns couldn't kill them. They work well together and with thier squad. They always stomp. So maybe its the driver and not the tank. i would agree with that , but that is basically stating that only advanced players can pilot vehicles with maximum success whilst all the newer players cannot even attempt to run vehicles due to the massive lose of income! |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
27
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:43:00 -
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Cenex Langly wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous. Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. you are taking me the wrong way , i like vehicles as they are now not overpowering but still can dish out pain i also think the AV is almost spot on , my issue is that vehicles are way to overpriced i dont find it very fair that i lose so damn mutch for 1 vehicle , basicly im saying cheaper vehicles = more vehicles in every match which = more fun!!! instead of the same old infantry run and gun every game :C If they were not at their price, then this game would be "World of Tanks" and everyone would drive them and it would not be a shooter or AR 514, as it is now. They are priced that way because with a tank you can go 16 v 1 and survive, unless a specialized character comes in with AV to kill you. yes but if you think about it if vehicles were cheaper there would be no hesitation to call in a tank to combat an enemy tank ! if dropships were also cheaper there would be no hesitation to use them offensively!! |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
27
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:47:00 -
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Jade Dragonis wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:
So when you go shopping in real life for a car do you complain that it is over priced? Cause a simole thing like a pedestrian can killI it? Or that your jeans are cheap so the car must cost less to compensate for that fact? Vehicles are larger than suits. Strongerthan suits and obviously cost more to transport. So the cost is fine. Jist remeber that if thier is av on the field don't drop a tank.
Problem solved.
lol ridiculous argument point .a) ITS A GAME point .b) it should be fun , it isnt point .c) dont drop if theres AV?......might aswell remove vehicles then !!!
A science fiction game. Fictional story based on scienctific possibilites. This isn't a fantasy game. And when I loose tanks I grind and get more. Stuff happens. But if vehicles get cheaper then all you'll ever see is vehicles. Goodbye infantry.
Man up a little. Dust isn't for kittens. [/quote] yeah well tough guy all i see is infantry , and i dont want to play another COD infantry only game |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
27
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Posted - 2013.10.22 06:52:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:Jade Dragonis wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:
So when you go shopping in real life for a car do you complain that it is over priced? Cause a simole thing like a pedestrian can killI it? Or that your jeans are cheap so the car must cost less to compensate for that fact? Vehicles are larger than suits. Strongerthan suits and obviously cost more to transport. So the cost is fine. Jist remeber that if thier is av on the field don't drop a tank.
Problem solved.
lol ridiculous argument point .a) ITS A GAME point .b) it should be fun , it isnt point .c) dont drop if theres AV?......might aswell remove vehicles then !!! A science fiction game. Fictional story based on scienctific possibilites. This isn't a fantasy game. And when I loose tanks I grind and get more. Stuff happens. But if vehicles get cheaper then all you'll ever see is vehicles. Goodbye infantry. Man up a little. Dust isn't for kittens. yeah well tough guy all i see is infantry , and i dont want to play another COD infantry only game [/quote] ridiculous argument , if a team overused vehicles the opposing team would go berzerk mode on AV and i dont no if youve noticed but you cant hack with a tank! |
medomai grey
WarRavens League of Infamy
258
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:01:00 -
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Wallaby1 wrote:yes but if you think about it if vehicles were cheaper there would be no hesitation to call in a tank to combat an enemy tank ! if dropships were also cheaper there would be no hesitation to use them offensively!! If people are hesitating to field gear because they're afraid to lose it then this game is working as intended. It's a unique feature of this game that sets it apart from other lobby shooters.
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
697
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:04:00 -
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Cost is high to prevent spam, its working as intended. Dont field what you're not willing to lose. |
Xender17
MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN.
828
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Posted - 2013.10.22 07:30:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:Wallaby1 wrote:HAVS & dropships THERE TO DAMN EXPENSIVE why are they so damn expensive?? theres no need for them to be so high priced when they do jackcr@p against forge guns and av!! In that case lower the cost of Assault and scout dropsuits because we can't kill sniper that are on top of buildings and they kill us all the time. I know the HAV user have it bad but the argument of i can't kill something and i am self entitled to be able to kill everything so fix it,that is ridiculous. Forge and Anti-Vechile is the HAV drivers weakness why do you feel you should be able to just easily roll over them, they are hard to kill for a reason, because they are designed to be killing you. Except Forges kill infantry in a godly manner and because of recent sidearm superiority in a lot of cases losing your main weapon slot isn't as much a downside. HAVs would have to fly to run over AV now with all the towers around.
All 3 weapons tanks have are designed in infantry favor. A blaster that gets major damage reduction over ranges, a railgun that can almost only kill vehicles, and missiles that suck in almost every situation other than being uphill. AV denies battling to vehicle on the entire map. You fly up to a tower climb up a ladder and then vehicles are just done playing the entire match. A dropship tries to fly up to you. 2-3 hits it's dead. Claiming it takes multiple people to take down a good tank is a double standard. It takes multiple people to take down a good AVer as well.
Also I'm so sick of AV even talking about balance in AV vs vehicles. Most of you have 0 DS or tank experience. HAV and DS pilots have Inf and even AV experience we know what we are talking about. I am skilled into proto swarms/adv fgs/ proto logi/ proto ScRs. The only things I am not skilled into are ARs, SMGs, and Flaylocks. So please stop acting like you people know both sides of the story.
Tanks were once OP. They were once unkillable. But that was when most people didn't fully skill into AV. People complained, tanks got nerfed. Now I have to live in fear of someone with 3 grenades that can kill me in less than 5 secs, 3 shots from a FG that hit me from across the map on place I can't get to, or 4 swarms that I can't see but they also track me and go just as far if not further. I don't just live in fear of these because of what they can do... I live in fear of afterwards. Losing 1 mil almost every match because I want to do my favorite thing OR not losing 1 mil because I know what well happen if I do.
Sacrificing 4 players with militia AV to take down a tank takes away them from fighting AI infantry. Well if they didn't even go AV in the first place the 4 of them would be just as effective as the tank. A good tank can go 20-0 good infantry can go at least 5-0 Good infantry scores vs good tank scores usually the infantry well have the higher score all together. |
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn
23
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:18:00 -
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!!! I have seen players go 59 and 1 !!! - it was a normal game with full teams, and I was the only person to kill him.
What vehicle has ever done that!?
A fully spec tank needs only to worry about fully spec AV. Lower tier AV is really only annoying before it has a chance to become dangerous. Same with dropships. In my experience vehicles are either nearly unstoppable or laughably destructible. But the same goes for suits, there is no middle ground. It seems that top tier players clean house, or a suit is easy to kill.
This is just the way it feels, I am not saying that this is unbalanced. But this is the most important aspect, how does the game feel? And let me tell you, three assault FGs on a tower doesn't feel very nice.
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Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
33
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:23:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:!!! I have seen players go 59 and 1 !!! - it was a normal game with full teams, and I was the only person to kill him.
What vehicle has ever done that!?
A fully spec tank needs only to worry about fully spec AV. Lower tier AV is really only annoying before it has a chance to become dangerous. Same with dropships. In my experience vehicles are either nearly unstoppable or laughably destructible. But the same goes for suits, there is no middle ground. It seems that top tier players clean house, or a suit is easy to kill.
This is just the way it feels, I am not saying that this is unbalanced. But this is the most important aspect, how does the game feel? And let me tell you, three assault FGs on a tower doesn't feel very nice.
yeah i deffinately dont want to see tanks going 59-1 kd hahaha which is why i think they SHOULDNT be uberbuffed they should be reduced in price though!!! |
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn
23
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:33:00 -
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I agree, a price drop would alleviate the issue of only seeing top tier vehicles.
But how do you stop abuse?
Maybe if you had a skill that decreased isk cost? But this may only make top tiers more prevalent when the goal is to see vehicles on both sides ebb and flow across the field. I want to see dynamic balance and have a fun war. I don't want to learn how to play against cheese tactics.
Just a point, nothing separates a Starcraft 2 champion from a bronze league hero other than the skill of manipulating the controls and prediction of the opponents moves.
Time spent playing is what separates you in dust, not just skill. It's like fighting a UFC champ after karate summer camp--good luck. |
Wallaby1
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
36
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Posted - 2013.10.22 23:41:00 -
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Varjac Theobroma Montenegro wrote:I agree, a price drop would alleviate the issue of only seeing top tier vehicles.
But how do you stop abuse?
Maybe if you had a skill that decreased isk cost? But this may only make top tiers more prevalent when the goal is to see vehicles on both sides ebb and flow across the field. I want to see dynamic balance and have a fun war. I don't want to learn how to play against cheese tactics.
Just a point, nothing separates a Starcraft 2 champion from a bronze league hero other than the skill of manipulating the controls and prediction of the opponents moves.
Time spent playing is what separates you in dust, not just skill. It's like fighting a UFC champ after karate summer camp--good luck. i understand peoples concern with cheaper vehicles but how often do you actually pull out your AV suit? once a match........once a day? if vehicles were cheaper wed see more on the field which would result in alot more AV specialists which would balance out any possible spam , think back to the days of the free LAV it was a swarm users glory days!! |
Varjac Theobroma Montenegro
M.T.A.C Assault Operations Command Lokun Listamenn
25
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Posted - 2013.10.23 00:48:00 -
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Good point, lower costs may mean more vehicles, but would also mean more AV. Which would then reward the infantry specialists as there would be a lower number of primary weapons to shoot back at them. Is makes for good theory, but we would need to see in practice how lower isk vehicles would work.
If vehicles weren't gods and didn't cost a fortune, there may be less cheese tactics with them. You wouldn't feel the need to cheese in order to survive. It's like how a Thales sniper usually holds out near a supply depot, or head glitches, or does everything in the world not to lose that edge.
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Gorra Snell
the unholy legion of darkstar DARKSTAR ARMY
186
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Posted - 2013.10.23 01:33:00 -
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I'm behind the OP 100%. Any an all roles in the game should be financially viable...LAV, HAV and Dropship pilots should all be able to reliably and easily make a profit running MLT/STD gear, and all but the very best players should find it nearly impossible to make a profit running PRO gear. |
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