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Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1105	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:13:00 - [1] - Quote I see a lot of people coming on to the forums to rant about why this game is dead and why its never going to succeed and why it was all a huge waste of time. 1.) Why do you come on the forums then? 2.) nobody knows the future..... not even the conductors of the doom train fleet. 3.) This game is nowhere near dying, you just have to obtain the ability to pull your heads out of your asses long enough to see it. To emphasize my point ill pull a quote of my own that I used in a different thread. Quote: The game has only seen tangible developmental progress for around a year now. Your crazy to assume a game like this wont improve over time. Right now its all about optimization. Glitches and performance will work out over time as the developers...... develop it...... (and get better at using the hardware). I mean...... have you looked at GTA5? That game is a technological masterpiece, and if Rockstar can pull it off, so can CCP. You just think "ohhhhh the game has had at least one problem or another for the last several months so it will never ever improve" but let me tell you, if you were to compare this game to the Pre-e3 build (replication, I think?) then you would understand that the game then, and the game now is vastly improved, and I have no doubt that it will look the same way comparatively six months from now. Just a little faith people. A little faith, and a little patience and it wall all get better eventually! So many people are wrapped up in the heres and nows. "omg this X feature in the game pisses me off right now" "this X amount of content isn't out yet" You guys want to know something about history? Stalin didn't like how the allies took so long to launch the invasion on western Europe while in the meantime he was losing soldiers in the order of millions. But you know what? Everything went alright in the end! The axis powers lost the war, and Russia became a new world power. Same things going to happen with this game. We don't like the wait, or dealing with the problems the game has right now, but comparatively with older builds (1.1,1.2,1.3) the game is really starting to shape up and I just don't understand how you people aren't able to see that. CCP isn't the son of god. There not going to turn water into wine. But if you give them enough time I fully believe that this game will turn from being an average shooter, to an above average MMOFPS. In the meantime....... I want to point out that back in chromosome I used to walk around like THIS with my LR. Now its more like........ well I just shoot and kill things now. (thanks to whoever found this video on another post, it truly was amazing).
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Cult of War 605	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:15:00 - [2] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfWOhDGifY
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1105	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:16:00 - [3] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTfWOhDGifY I like that
SoTa PoP MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 4009	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:26:00 - [4] - Quote When the doom threads come a knockin' Threads of why all the QQ gtfo come in stompin'.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1105	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:27:00 - [5] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: When the doom threads come a knockin' Threads of why all the QQ gtfo come in stompin'. SYNERGY
Meeko Fent DUST University Ivy League 1243	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:35:00 - [6] - Quote I will admit this, DUST is a filler game for me right now. Filler for a part to upgrade my PC. I find the game ok, just want to jump ship to a new platform. Meh. Be gloomy. WFE.
Patrick57 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 850	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:39:00 - [7] - Quote +1 for the well said post..... and + another 1 for the funny vid...
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1108	Posted - 2013.10.22 00:46:00 - [8] - Quote Meeko Fent wrote: I will admit this, DUST is a filler game for me right now. Filler for a part to upgrade my PC. I find the game ok, just want to jump ship to a new platform. Meh. Be gloomy. WFE. If I had money I would play EVE on top of playing Dust. Sometimes you just want to play one more then the other. Unfortunately I have no feasible way to play EVE long enough to allow my character to Plex on its own.
Asirius Medaius Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore 606	Posted - 2013.10.22 07:51:00 - [9] - Quote Marston VC wrote: Meeko Fent wrote: I will admit this, DUST is a filler game for me right now. Filler for a part to upgrade my PC. I find the game ok, just want to jump ship to a new platform. Meh. Be gloomy. WFE. If I had money I would play EVE on top of playing Dust. Sometimes you just want to play one more then the other. Unfortunately I have no feasible way to play EVE long enough to allow my character to Plex on its own. That's a shame; funny this came up, cause 2 days ago, I emptied my old character's isk account into a brand new character, just so that I could start from scratch and do something in EVE that I haven't done before, but without giving my new character too much money to start with (otherwise it would get boring). Well, my old character had about 7 billion isk saved up that I made when Incursions were OP for isk sinks, and that was when I quit. Well, that 7 billion bought me over 10 months of "free" game time to use on a character and start anew in New Eden (each plex was about 660 mill isk, but to restart everything, a fresh history, and a fresh character and being poor/new in EVE is something I want to try again). I think 10 months of time is going to rock, since I won't have to worry about using a subscription until then (or if I make a lot of money by then [which I probably will], I'll just keep PLEXing my account)
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 634	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:04:00 - [10] - Quote Let's demolish this doomed train of gloom with AV fireworks After all it's just a petty vehicle loaded with helpless mercs which dared to enter futuristic battlefield stuffed with clones, nanotechnology, teleportation, lasers and such... Yeehaw!

Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 727	Posted - 2013.10.22 08:40:00 - [11] - Quote 500 players leaving per month is not just a "doom and gloom train", it is reality and the players have all right to complain about the cause. just saying.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 634	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:14:00 - [12] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: 500 players leaving per month is not just a "doom and gloom train", it is reality and the players have all right to complain about the cause. just saying. They are just taking a break...They will be back soon. You'll see. Here is a sound explanation of the phenomena from EVE forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3744036#post3744036 (BTW, You can see my "face" in the previous post )
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 727	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:30:00 - [13] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Jack McReady wrote: 500 players leaving per month is not just a "doom and gloom train", it is reality and the players have all right to complain about the cause. just saying. They are just taking a break...They will be back soon. You'll see. Here is a sound explanation of the phenomena from EVE forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3744036#post3744036 (BTW, You can see my "face" in the previous post there ) so they leave to take a break since the beginning of commercial release, STEADILY, right? cool story.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1884	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:56:00 - [14] - Quote LOL... you really are in denial... CCP have been trying to crack the Core game-play for nearly a year, and we still no where near to a solid foundation. Every time they try to climb out of the hole, they dig they self a bit deeper. They are trap in a circle in which they are not allow to develop the game to the core mechanics are perfect ....Because they simply scare stiff of their own community. I love Dust 514.... but... BUT......i'm definitely not in denial of the future of this game.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 634	Posted - 2013.10.22 09:56:00 - [15] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Jack McReady wrote: 500 players leaving per month is not just a "doom and gloom train", it is reality and the players have all right to complain about the cause. just saying. They are just taking a break...They will be back soon. You'll see. Here is a sound explanation of the phenomena from EVE forums: https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=3744036#post3744036 (BTW, You can see my "face" in the previous post there ) so they leave to take a break since the beginning of commercial release, STEADILY, right? cool story. We can make a bet then... I say the numbers will raise over 6000 in a year. I bet one clone pack. What do you say Jack?
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 4067	Posted - 2013.10.22 10:54:00 - [16] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: 500 players leaving per month is not just a "doom and gloom train", it is reality and the players have all right to complain about the cause. just saying. It's not a reality, it's a deliberate misinterpretation of player counts. http://eve-offline.net/?server=dust We hit 4500 this weekend. In June, the player counts were at approximately that level. Is that losing 500 players per month? If we really were, we'd be down to 2000 by now, yet we're hitting twice that. You're wrong. Just saying.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1113	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:04:00 - [17] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: 500 players leaving per month is not just a "doom and gloom train", it is reality and the players have all right to complain about the cause. just saying. How do you have a "right" to complain about player count? Leave player counts for CCP to deal with. Also if you use THIS link, you might notice that player count has improved a few hundred comparatively to the stats given a month ago. And if you look about 2 months ago you'll notice that at peak times the player count has only dropped by 200....... not 500. Hell, if you take the low points into account it looks even healthier. So I really have no idea where this "500 per month" figure is coming from unless your referring to 1.1,1.2,1.3. You come on and say "oh were losing 500 players per month" when in reality we lost the initial rift raft that was around during open beta. Statistically it looks like the player count is actually plateauing right now. So yeah...... you can "just say" whatever you want to say sure, but maybe next time you should get some actual stats to back it up. Or at least stats that aren't outdated.....
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1113	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:07:00 - [18] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: LOL... you really are in denial... CCP have been trying to crack the Core game-play for nearly a year, and we still no where near to a solid foundation. Every time they try to climb out of the hole, they dig their self a bit deeper. They are trap in a circle in which they are not allow to develop the game to the core mechanics are perfect ....Because they simply scare stiff of their own community. I love Dust 514.... but... BUT......i'm definitely not in denial about the future of this game. ........ again. If you were to compare this to chromosome or replication. The game is much improved now. Lets say CCP is still underwater and the gameplay is still horrible (which it isn't). Well GOOD JOB CCP, you guys just managed to climb out of challenger deep! "applauds"
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 727	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:41:00 - [19] - Quote oh really we have player spikes at weekends? who would guess that happens. average, that is what counts in 5 months dust lost around ~3k players and the drop was steady. the recent rise is just well within the regular deviation, like it was in the past 5 months. but I guess basic logic, statistics over 5 months and averages is too hard to comprehend for some people :)
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 634	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:56:00 - [20] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: oh really we have player spikes at weekends? who would guess that happens. average, that is what counts in 5 months dust lost around ~3k players and the drop was steady. the recent rise is just well within the regular deviation, like it was in the past 5 months. but I guess basic logic, statistics over 5 months and averages is too hard to comprehend for some people :) What is your stance on my bet proposition Jack? Are you ready? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1415767#post1415767

Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1885	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:59:00 - [21] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Jack McReady wrote: oh really we have player spikes at weekends? who would guess that happens. average, that is what counts in 5 months dust lost around ~3k players and the drop was steady. the recent rise is just well within the regular deviation, like it was in the past 5 months. but I guess basic logic, statistics over 5 months and averages is too hard to comprehend for some people :) What is your stance on my bet proposition Jack? Are you ready? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1415767#post1415767 I take that bet .... I bet....that by the end of 2014 we have either 20,000 players or NONE.
Canari Elphus Pro Hic Immortalis 687	Posted - 2013.10.22 11:59:00 - [22] - Quote One thing that you cant get from things such as EVE Offline is how often players log in and actually play. How many players have lowered the amount they play DUST? How much of those numbers are players just logging in to collect their daily bonus? I know many who have given up on DUST and some who are willing to come back once CCP implements more content such as racial heavies. Yes, CCP can boost player count but they need to have something exciting for any chance of vets coming back. They are moving in the right direction with changes to FW and PC but it all depends on how fast they can get those out. As IWS said, the PS4 will be the true test to see how many people leave as many who buy the new console wont keep their PS3 or will rarely use it. Once vehicles are done, this game should be in a decent state of balance (hopefully. At that point, their focus needs to be on content and expanding the depth of the game.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 727	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:03:00 - [23] - Quote Canari Elphus wrote: One thing that you cant get from things such as EVE Offline is how often players log in and actually play. How many players have lowered the amount they play DUST? How much of those numbers are players just logging in to collect their daily bonus? I know many who have given up on DUST and some who are willing to come back once CCP implements more content such as racial heavies. Yes, CCP can boost player count but they need to have something exciting for any chance of vets coming back. They are moving in the right direction with changes to FW and PC but it all depends on how fast they can get those out. As IWS said, the PS4 will be the true test to see how many people leave as many who buy the new console wont keep their PS3 or will rarely use it. Once vehicles are done, this game should be in a decent state of balance (hopefully. At that point, their focus needs to be on content and expanding the depth of the game. a person that gets the point in dust forums? how did this happen?
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1886	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:09:00 - [24] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Canari Elphus wrote: One thing that you cant get from things such as EVE Offline is how often players log in and actually play. How many players have lowered the amount they play DUST? How much of those numbers are players just logging in to collect their daily bonus? I know many who have given up on DUST and some who are willing to come back once CCP implements more content such as racial heavies. Yes, CCP can boost player count but they need to have something exciting for any chance of vets coming back. They are moving in the right direction with changes to FW and PC but it all depends on how fast they can get those out. As IWS said, the PS4 will be the true test to see how many people leave as many who buy the new console wont keep their PS3 or will rarely use it. Once vehicles are done, this game should be in a decent state of balance (hopefully. At that point, their focus needs to be on content and expanding the depth of the game. a person that gets the point in dust forums? how did this happen? oh, i get the point... CCP is just waiting at the moment.. not hard to see. Lets just hope they don't wait to long ... this train is moving fast.
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 634	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:32:00 - [25] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Jack McReady wrote: oh really we have player spikes at weekends? who would guess that happens. average, that is what counts in 5 months dust lost around ~3k players and the drop was steady. the recent rise is just well within the regular deviation, like it was in the past 5 months. but I guess basic logic, statistics over 5 months and averages is too hard to comprehend for some people :) What is your stance on my bet proposition Jack? Are you ready? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1415767#post1415767 I take that bet .... I bet....that by the end of 2014 we have either 20,000 players or NONE. OK 1 clone pack is mine...
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 490	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:53:00 - [26] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: LOL... you really are in denial... CCP have been trying to crack the Core game-play for nearly a year, and we still no where near to a solid foundation. Every time they try to climb out of the hole, they dig their self a bit deeper. They are trap in a circle in which they are not allow to develop the game to the core mechanics are perfect ....Because they simply scare stiff of their own community. I love Dust 514.... but... BUT......i'm definitely not in denial about the future of this game. It's not that they are scared stiff of the community,it's that they are incompetent of making a shooter that is better than passable at it's core gameplay mechanics. A person would actually be able to defend CCP,but since it's been well over a year and the game still feels like a third rate shooter in it's over all gameplay,there's just isn't any defense for that. People complain because we want to put a real fire under the asses of the devs to make a game that everyone can enjoy.Part of that enjoyment for me is to be in a gaming universe that consists of more that 3,500 people at a time...and falling.
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1887	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:56:00 - [27] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Jack McReady wrote: oh really we have player spikes at weekends? who would guess that happens. average, that is what counts in 5 months dust lost around ~3k players and the drop was steady. the recent rise is just well within the regular deviation, like it was in the past 5 months. but I guess basic logic, statistics over 5 months and averages is too hard to comprehend for some people :) What is your stance on my bet proposition Jack? Are you ready? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1415767#post1415767 I take that bet .... I bet....that by the end of 2014 we have either 20,000 players or NONE. OK 1 clone pack is mine... Don't be so sure ...i just looking at Dust 514 history since the beginning of the open beta..it is a potential 20,000 players waiting in the shadows, and CCP knows exactly what it will take. They just don't want to do it yet.. and i bet you anything it have something to do with Sony and the PS4.
GTA-V FTW Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 427	Posted - 2013.10.22 12:58:00 - [28] - Quote 16v16 in a MMO is still just LMFAO. This game will continue to be epic fail as long as they keep claiming to be MMO with only 16v16, pffff!
Robert JD Niewiadomski NULLIMPEX INC 634	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:07:00 - [29] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Banning Hammer wrote: Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: (...)What is your stance on my bet proposition Jack? Are you ready? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1415767#post1415767 I take that bet .... I bet....that by the end of 2014 we have either 20,000 players or NONE. OK 1 clone pack is mine... Don't be so sure ...i just looking at Dust 514 history since the beginning of the open beta..it is a potential 20,000 players waiting in the shadows, and CCP knows exactly what it will take. They just don't want to do it yet.. and i bet you anything it have something to do with Sony and the PS4. I think you misunderstood me sir. My bet is: over 6k active mercs in a year. Your bet is 20k active mercs by the end of 2014 (if so, i win 20k is way over 6k ) or NONE (if so, you win but what's the point of that win). What's your say on this?
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1126	Posted - 2013.10.22 13:10:00 - [30] - Quote Robert JD Niewiadomski wrote: Jack McReady wrote: oh really we have player spikes at weekends? who would guess that happens. average, that is what counts in 5 months dust lost around ~3k players and the drop was steady. the recent rise is just well within the regular deviation, like it was in the past 5 months. but I guess basic logic, statistics over 5 months and averages is too hard to comprehend for some people :) What is your stance on my bet proposition Jack? Are you ready? https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1415767#post1415767 Jack will never take that bet. Because in spite of what he says here, he probably is capable of reading those graphs. Surprising what happens when core mechanics get some love ain't it Jack?



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