DUST Search - Thanks to CCP, I'll likely go broke

Aisha Ctarl wrote:

No ISK payouts for FW because of a prospective secondary market to sell LP store rewards on.

That's sheer lunacy on your part CCP. You just gave a huge middle finger to any FW specialists who primarily play FW battles. Thanks to this new change I'll continuously lose ISK whenever I die on the battlefield and will have to resort to the horrid pub matches to make some revenue which keeps me from claiming districts for Amarr.

Another aspect of no ISK payout is that if a new player to the game sees that FW doesn't give him/her money, what's the point of playing it? Trust me, some new player isn't going to catch on to the idea of LP and the LP store that quickly for it to pique their interest.

Yeah I know you're DEVS and what not and likely don't care that one out of your 4000 active daily players is upset about the changes because I have zero influence on your thought process or actions, but CCP, this was just a dagger to the soul...the little hope that I had for this game has just flatlined.

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Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1638	Posted - 2013.10.21 00:49:00 - [31] - Quote With the LP items costing ISK as well I don't think the market will be as vibrant for these goods as you imagine. I hope they take Hanz's advice and wait until they release the market, but I still think they are misjudging the ISK sink thing. LOTS and I mean lots of people run cheap suits in pubs despite having over 100 mil ISK. I don't think getting a Duvalle with a lower fitting requirement is going to make them run proto all of a sudden. The pubs are full of people who aren't that great in crap suits getting slaughtered for a minute or two until they retreat to the redline. I firmly believe this behavior will only get worse as these hoarders have something else to save up.
Jinx Rollin Commando Perkone Caldari State 30	Posted - 2013.10.21 00:54:00 - [32] - Quote Waiting for the day my EVE bitches can manufacture and sell complex shield extenders and dropsuits and Duvolles to my dust chat for an isk per unit
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1638	Posted - 2013.10.21 00:58:00 - [33] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I quite like the idea. Game has needed an ISK sink for a while. Then why do people complain about players using proto in pub matches? Why do people stop pushing objectives at the first sign of resistance? I don't buy it. I think the game needs to start rewarding winning and performing well. If it doesn't then this system just provides even more incentive to not play to win.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 884	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:00:00 - [34] - Quote Viktor Hadah Jr wrote: I have half a bil ISK and now finally a fire pit to dump it in, new FW is going to be fun... If you're rich Thats just about poverty level. Some folks have a bit more just from pubs. I had 99 krins since I lost a few in PC battles and pubs but now its back to over a 100 krins, 105 balacs, 102 Thales, etc.....lots of salvage. Ten thousand grenades for sale?.....soon. KDR at low level of 1.52 but thats due to running starter fits and militia since Closed Beta.
Cosgar ParagonX 6243	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:00:00 - [35] - Quote (Pulls out a proto nanite injector) Still want to nerf logibros?
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3402	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:01:00 - [36] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I quite like the idea. Game has needed an ISK sink for a while. SO yet again another mode gets dedicated to the super rich and not the loyal players who care about the outcomes of FW?
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 730	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:02:00 - [37] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: No ISK payouts for FW because of a prospective secondary market to sell LP store rewards on. That's sheer lunacy on your part CCP. You just gave a huge middle finger to any FW specialists who primarily play FW battles. Thanks to this new change I'll continuously lose ISK whenever I die on the battlefield and will have to resort to the horrid pub matches to make some revenue which keeps me from claiming districts for Amarr. Another aspect of no ISK payout is that if a new player to the game sees that FW doesn't give him/her money, what's the point of playing it? Trust me, some new player isn't going to catch on to the idea of LP and the LP store that quickly for it to pique their interest. Yeah I know you're DEVS and what not and likely don't care that one out of your 4000 active daily players is upset about the changes because I have zero influence on your thought process or actions, but CCP, this was just a dagger to the soul...the little hope that I had for this game has just flatlined. troglodyte.
hgghyujh expert intervention Caldari State 126	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:07:00 - [38] - Quote uuummmm you buy from the LP store and sell at a huge mark up, Thats how it works in EVE. Faction variants go for many time the price of T1 and tend to be more expensive then T2(think proto) gear in eve. So you won't be hurting for money.
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1539	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:09:00 - [39] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: uuummmm you buy from the LP store and sell at a huge mark up, Thats how it works in EVE. Faction variants go for many time the price of T1 and tend to be more expensive then T2(think proto) gear in eve. So you won't be hurting for money. They're implementing the no ISK payout BEFORE the open market goes live which means no selling anything.
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4125	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:10:00 - [40] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: THIS IS INSANE. THIS IS SPARTA!!!!! kicks a random bald guy into a well

Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 1178	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:11:00 - [41] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You wont beat me to 0 ISK. I drive Tanks! Though if CCP takes the advice that we discussed with CPM Jaegerblitzen to heart and implements a player market, which we can establish and stabilized before the FW changes then I can feasibly see you and I becoming rather wealthy. Actually neither of you will beat me because I'm at 2.3 mil isk right now :P
hgghyujh expert intervention Caldari State 126	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:12:00 - [42] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: With the LP items costing ISK as well I don't think the market will be as vibrant for these goods as you imagine. I hope they take Hanz's advice and wait until they release the market, but I still think they are misjudging the ISK sink thing. LOTS and I mean lots of people run cheap suits in pubs despite having over 100 mil ISK. I don't think getting a Duvalle with a lower fitting requirement is going to make them run proto all of a sudden. The pubs are full of people who aren't that great in crap suits getting slaughtered for a minute or two until they retreat to the redline. I firmly believe this behavior will only get worse as these hoarders have something else to save up. LP items cost isk too in eve, its not an or its an and, you pay a lot of LP and less isk then the base variant costs and you get that item and the sell it for a significant isk mark up.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3404	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:19:00 - [43] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: True Adamance wrote: You wont beat me to 0 ISK. I drive Tanks! Though if CCP takes the advice that we discussed with CPM Jaegerblitzen to heart and implements a player market, which we can establish and stabilized before the FW changes then I can feasibly see you and I becoming rather wealthy. Actually neither of you will beat me because I'm at 2.3 mil isk right now :P **** I'd better lose more tanks then!
ReGnYuM MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1138	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:21:00 - [44] - Quote Closing on 2 Billion Why is OP not rich
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 251	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:28:00 - [45] - Quote True Adamance wrote: You wont beat me to 0 ISK. I drive Tanks! Though if CCP takes the advice that we discussed with CPM Jaegerblitzen to heart and implements a player market, which we can establish and stabilized before the FW changes then I can feasibly see you and I becoming rather wealthy. After asking both Aero and mulltipule others in your PIE chat, I've come to the conclusion that we should have both ISK and LP payouts. Nobody wants to have to play PUB matches all day to make up for the money they lost trying to help out their Federation/Republic/State/Empire. Not everyone would or could benefit from this, and yeah Adamance (for once) is right. No ISK rewards in FW matches will mean that Pilots, Tankers, and new players will stay the h*** away from FW. Not that I think new players should be in FW, but if they are average at the game and have a few million saved up, then they should at least be able to try it out.
Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1641	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:45:00 - [46] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: uuummmm you buy from the LP store and sell at a huge mark up, Thats how it works in EVE. Faction variants go for many time the price of T1 and tend to be more expensive then T2(think proto) gear in eve. So you won't be hurting for money. How much would you pay for a Duvalle with a slightly lower fitting requirement? Eve doesn't relate here very well. A four hour session of playing will lead to a higher loss of suits than most Eve pilots will lose ships in a year.
TheAmazing FlyingPig Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 4284	Posted - 2013.10.21 01:47:00 - [47] - Quote True Adamance wrote: TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I quite like the idea. Game has needed an ISK sink for a while. SO yet again another mode gets dedicated to the super rich and not the loyal players who care about the outcomes of FW? I'm poor as ****, and I support the idea.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3412	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:06:00 - [48] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Closing on 2 Billion Why is OP not rich Yo ReGnYuM will produce EVE side goodies for ever for you for 500 Mill! It would be epic to say I make the goodies for THE ReGnYuM who somehow and I always wondered how, got into PIE Int....
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 11	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:06:00 - [49] - Quote But won't the lp items be stuff like navy (or in this case army) issue items. Presumably these items will be better, for example better shielded and armored dropsuits and assault rifles with better accuracy and damage. This could be self-supporting if we don't have to use items to get the lp rewards by upgrading. If they go the eve route, and I have to use an adv assault dropsuit and maybe other items to upgrade it to a caldari military issue dropsuit, then we do have a problem; but shouldn't we figure out how it will work before everyone panics. We will be in a better position to inform CCP of our demands if we know what they intend first.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9579	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:12:00 - [50] - Quote War is spensive.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 3412	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:14:00 - [51] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: War is spensive. War is profitable. Isn't that essentially this games tag line?
Raskutor DUST University Ivy League 18	Posted - 2013.10.21 02:37:00 - [52] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: True Adamance wrote: You wont beat me to 0 ISK. I drive Tanks! Though if CCP takes the advice that we discussed with CPM Jaegerblitzen to heart and implements a player market, which we can establish and stabilized before the FW changes then I can feasibly see you and I becoming rather wealthy. Actually neither of you will beat me because I'm at 2.3 mil isk right now :P I'm at 1.5 mil. Gotcha beat.
sixteensixty4 CAUSE 4 C0NCERN 141	Posted - 2013.10.21 03:02:00 - [53] - Quote Is there a dev post somewhere that mentions isk and Fw? I've looked at the stickys, but im not finding anything
The Robot Devil Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 1067	Posted - 2013.10.21 03:22:00 - [54] - Quote Pent'noir wrote: Isn't this sorta how fw works on the eve side. They run their fw missions, get lp, buy lp item, then sell lp item for an insane amount of isk. If they lose a ship then they pay for it. They are pretty much playing for LP.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 86	Posted - 2013.10.21 03:24:00 - [55] - Quote 1 mlt bpo 2 their going with pc style salvage 3 lp can buy stuff 4 fw isn't supposed to behave like a pub and I welcome the change
Master Jaraiya Ultramarine Corp 1153	Posted - 2013.10.21 03:37:00 - [56] - Quote Cosgar wrote: (Pulls out a proto nanite injector) Still want to nerf logibros? May as well put that away. PC bankrolled players will still be spamming Core and M1 nades and Mass Drivers like crazy.
Aisha Ctarl PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 1545	Posted - 2013.10.21 04:30:00 - [57] - Quote Raskutor wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: True Adamance wrote: You wont beat me to 0 ISK. I drive Tanks! Though if CCP takes the advice that we discussed with CPM Jaegerblitzen to heart and implements a player market, which we can establish and stabilized before the FW changes then I can feasibly see you and I becoming rather wealthy. Actually neither of you will beat me because I'm at 2.3 mil isk right now :P I'm at 1.5 mil. Gotcha beat. I consider anything under 50 million as broke.
Zatara Rought MoIden Heath PoIice Department EoN. 1375	Posted - 2013.10.21 05:09:00 - [58] - Quote Even when they implement the player market if salvage levels are similar to PC currently you won't make much profit. On average unless I get a tank or dropship or an officer weapon (uncommon, rare, and uber rare drops from salvage respectively) I could sell all of those are the market price and it wouldn't pay for 4 proto suits. You'll have to die 2x or less if you don't get vehicle or turret drops. Or don't use proto I guess...which I can use advanced and do fine...no big.
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3750	Posted - 2013.10.21 06:28:00 - [59] - Quote Aisha Ctarl wrote: No ISK payouts for FW because of a prospective secondary market to sell LP store rewards on. That's sheer lunacy on your part CCP. You just gave a huge middle finger to any FW specialists who primarily play FW battles. Thanks to this new change I'll continuously lose ISK whenever I die on the battlefield and will have to resort to the horrid pub matches to make some revenue which keeps me from claiming districts for Amarr. Another aspect of no ISK payout is that if a new player to the game sees that FW doesn't give him/her money, what's the point of playing it? Trust me, some new player isn't going to catch on to the idea of LP and the LP store that quickly for it to pique their interest. Yeah I know you're DEVS and what not and likely don't care that one out of your 4000 active daily players is upset about the changes because I have zero influence on your thought process or actions, but CCP, this was just a dagger to the soul...the little hope that I had for this game has just flatlined. It's not that big an issue. FW doesn't pay ISK in EVE either, and they said that player trading is a major priority. Once you can sell faction gear, you'll be making more ISK off of FW than you ever could in public contracts.
SgtDoughnut Red Star Jr. EoN. 293	Posted - 2013.10.21 19:19:00 - [60] - Quote TheAmazing FlyingPig wrote: I quite like the idea. Game has needed an ISK sink for a while. Game needs a massive isk sinkhole, course nobody will do it till they can make isk from it again. Economy is already fubr due to PC



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