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kiarbanor
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Posted - 2013.10.18 03:10:00 -
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I posted this under the PC Changes thread, but I would like to get real opinions on this. Poke holes in the idea. The more I think about this type of PC, the more I like it. I already have some adjustments, but I'll wait for some good feedback.
Thanks, people!
As stated before, there are more pressing concerns with PC other than isk generation. However, with that being the topic of this thread, here are some of my ideas on how to fix PC:
Any corp that is interested in PC should be able to buy a "production facility" type of district. These districts can not be attacked, and you can't make any isk off them. They simply sit in some non-disclosed place, generating a certain amount of clones. It's the "home base" of your corp. Let's say your production facility can hold 500 clones at a time.
From there, you can launch attacks on real districts. These real districts do not generate clones, though. They only generate isk. Make it whatever you want; they could produce certain elements or materials that are sold. Whatever, but they don't generate clones. You have to make it worthwhile for corporations to want to own and defend these districts. Each district can only garrison so many clones in order to defend it.
The attacking corporation will get a lot of isk for attacking a district and winning the battle. The defending district will get nothing as a reward other than--if they win--they will keep the district and the isk it generates.
All the while, your home base will generate more clones to the max of 500, which you can then use to attack another district.
However, there are only so many clones each corp can have in Molden Heath at one time. Let's put a maximum of 1500 on the "game board" at one time. This will limit the amount of districts one corp can properly defend. Let's say you have to have at least 250 clones garrisoned on a district in order to "own" it.
I haven't thought all this through, but it would give every single corp--that wants to buy a home base in PC--the ability to attack without continuously buying clone packs; also, they would be able to move all 500 clones to take over a district, if they so choose. It would also give a reason to hold and defend districts.
Again, haven't thought this all the way through; I'm sure there are big holes in this, but I think this would generate more interest and strategy.
Happy Gaming!!!
Again, give me your thoughts on this. |
kiarbanor
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Posted - 2013.10.18 18:17:00 -
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No feedback or ideas?
I need to get some of this stuff out of my head before I lose them. The majority of districts should be different, with various isk output; that way, you have continuous battles over appealing districts.
I think there should be some benefit to having your own corporation defend your districts. It doesn't have to be a big benefit, but there should be a benefit nonetheless. Part of what has destroyed PC is everyone hiring the same exact mercs to ring for them. I believe there is still a role for that in this idea, but it should be a tougher decision for corps to make.
I honestly think this idea will open up more "ringer" work for attacks. If a corp doesn't want to own any districts and worry about defending, they can simply buy a "home base" district and use their 500 clones to do contract attacks for other corps. With the increase in payout for attacking and winning battles, these "pirate" corps would actually make good isk.
Another piece that needs to get better is the strategic placement and possession of owned districts. Much like Romance of the Three Kingdoms, you should have a set amount of choices for attacks in order to get to your ultimate goal. For example, I will have to take and defend district 1, 2, and 3 in order to get to district 4, which is the one I really want. |
kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.02 23:33:00 -
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Zatara, you had a thread about PC ideas; so, I thought I would revive this, which no one even commented on. I still think this type of PC would be extremely fun. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1871
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Posted - 2014.01.03 14:40:00 -
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Because for pc to be worth bothering with it needs a drastic change, we can't do fk all on a ps3 that warrants us owning anything.
Its backwards, eve corps should run it and hire us, plenty of these threads are made and discussed but ypou have posted in the wrong section.
I like your idea but its simply polishing the turd a bit, it would be a great addition to other ideas though.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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kiarbanor
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:52:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Because for pc to be worth bothering with it needs a drastic change, we can't do fk all on a ps3 that warrants us owning anything.
Its backwards, eve corps should run it and hire us, plenty of these threads are made and discussed but ypou have posted in the wrong section.
I like your idea but its simply polishing the turd a bit, it would be a great addition to other ideas though.
Thanks for the response. Yeah, I posted it in different areas, but still no responses. I thought this was a good section since everyone in here has participated in PC, it seems.
Interesting idea about EvE owning the process rather than us.
Again, thanks for the response. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1874
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Posted - 2014.01.03 15:58:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Because for pc to be worth bothering with it needs a drastic change, we can't do fk all on a ps3 that warrants us owning anything.
Its backwards, eve corps should run it and hire us, plenty of these threads are made and discussed but ypou have posted in the wrong section.
I like your idea but its simply polishing the turd a bit, it would be a great addition to other ideas though. Thanks for the response. Yeah, I posted it in different areas, but still no responses. I thought this was a good section since everyone in here has participated in PC, it seems. Interesting idea about EvE owning the process rather than us. Again, thanks for the response.
Aye you'd think that but no, make a post in general discussions, loads of people and even CPM members contribute.
But yeah its completely off the mark pc, it is totally backwards but sadly alot of people who do pc don't even understand the games intended direction at all and because alot are console nubs and are brand new to anything like this they actually think its really good, its sad.
It needs a complete change, its totally backwards, luckily though people are realising its a total joke now, some great technical achievements for ccp but its just plain sht. 
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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OSGR Valdez
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:14:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Aye you'd think that but no, make a post in general discussions, loads of people and even CPM members contribute. But yeah its completely off the mark pc, it is totally backwards but sadly alot of people who do pc don't even understand the games intended direction at all and because alot are console nubs and are brand new to anything like this they actually think its really good, its sad. It needs a complete change, its totally backwards, luckily though people are realising its a total joke now, some great technical achievements for ccp but its just plain sht.
I'm pretty sure the intent of PC was to privatize battles and create an incentive in doing so successfully. As far as I know, both of those are accomplished. It's a change in balance that may need to be changed.
Which is why I agree with a home held Production Facility. Not so much on 500 clones though, it should stay at 300.
The non-profit PF would allow small corps an opportunity to push into Molden Heath. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1876
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:22:00 -
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OSGR Valdez wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Aye you'd think that but no, make a post in general discussions, loads of people and even CPM members contribute. But yeah its completely off the mark pc, it is totally backwards but sadly alot of people who do pc don't even understand the games intended direction at all and because alot are console nubs and are brand new to anything like this they actually think its really good, its sad. It needs a complete change, its totally backwards, luckily though people are realising its a total joke now, some great technical achievements for ccp but its just plain sht. I'm pretty sure the intent of PC was to privatize battles and create an incentive in doing so successfully. As far as I know, both of those are accomplished. It's a change in balance that may need to be changed. Which is why I agree with a home held Production Facility. Not so much on 500 clones though, it should stay at 300. The non-profit PF would allow small corps an opportunity to push into Molden Heath.
Corp battles accomplished that though, pc just adds a whole bunch of pointless rubbish and lags ridiculously and the way it is just makes no sense.
Pc I believe is wasted on us, ps3 won't allow us to do anything anyway, I think the ownership needs to be in capsuleer hands not ours.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
805
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:24:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Because for pc to be worth bothering with it needs a drastic change, we can't do fk all on a ps3 that warrants us owning anything.
Its backwards, eve corps should run it and hire us, plenty of these threads are made and discussed but ypou have posted in the wrong section.
I like your idea but its simply polishing the turd a bit, it would be a great addition to other ideas though.
THISSSSSSS.
It's like a small market that's needs us when as mercenaries we should be getting paid by non-mercenaries. They need to make a "massive overhaul" too which would include a new focus and then some.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1876
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:27:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:Because for pc to be worth bothering with it needs a drastic change, we can't do fk all on a ps3 that warrants us owning anything.
Its backwards, eve corps should run it and hire us, plenty of these threads are made and discussed but ypou have posted in the wrong section.
I like your idea but its simply polishing the turd a bit, it would be a great addition to other ideas though. THISSSSSSS. It's like a small market that's needs us when as mercenaries we should be getting paid by non-mercenaries. They need to make a "massive overhaul" too which would include a new focus and then some.
Too many people think that its ok the way it is minus the lag and mediocre crap sadly.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1944
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:40:00 -
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PC control from EVE I like it! but those of us with weak low-sec connections need an option, for some high and for some null.
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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Jin no kami
Valor Coalition
22
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:48:00 -
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They should add more heavy weapons really flamethrower with dot something. In PC they should stabilize it 1st lag is a bit(h then change the terrain,lastly dust players will eventually travel thru eve on a ship to planets for PC and other fights right? Will it be possible for someone to kill before I even draw my gun. Can you imagine mcc destroyed on route you appear back in that little as$ room =ƒÖê=ƒÖë=ƒÖè=ƒÖà |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:53:00 -
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i got to say that PC has been a broke lag filled game mode and at the core needs to be fixed before we can look at the big picture. Sadly i don't think they have the know how to fix it or the ps3 cant handle it.
The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
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Killar-12
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
1944
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Posted - 2014.01.03 16:56:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:i got to say that PC has been a broke lag filled game mode and at the core needs to be fixed before we can look at the big picture. Sadly i don't think they have the know how to fix it or the ps3 cant handle it.
or Both.
A-Teams win Battles B-Teams win Campaigns C-Teams win Wars
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
247
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Posted - 2014.01.03 19:47:00 -
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The reason I like your idea about EvE being in control and hiring us is because the current "concept" of PC has never made sense to me. One merc corp hiring mercs from somewhere else is like Burger King hiring McDonald's to sell hamburgers because their product just isn't good enough.
That makes no sense.
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Benjamin Ciscko
The Generals
General Tso's Alliance
1111
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:16:00 -
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I read it pretty quickly so I might have missed a few of the more intricate details but the one problem I see with having to take over point "A" and "B" to get to point "C" is if your alliance or a corp you have a mutual nonaggression pact with holds point "B" you are screwed. The idea of making more like a game of RISK were you can't attack Canada from Australia you must attack from a connecting region is great but there would have to be some form of diplomacy allowing you to cross distracts unharmed.
I would also like to incorporate a way for EVE to be integrated, it would be neat if you could only move clones via EVE I am not sure of exactly how to incorporate this because there is at least 24 hours notice before a battle but the opposing team can stop the assault by destroying the war barge before it is able to reach the district and deploy an MCC obviously this takes some thinking to put in because no one is going to sit at their computer for 1 day and fly your war barge across. I would also like some way to hire out EVE pilots as of now only those in your corp and alliance can connect to the district you should be able to hire EVE pilots to ferry your clones across and to connect to the district to provide orbital support.
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders
Top Men.
853
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Posted - 2014.01.03 23:25:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:The reason I like your idea about EvE being in control and hiring us is because the current "concept" of PC has never made sense to me. One merc corp hiring mercs from somewhere else is like Burger King hiring McDonald's to sell hamburgers because their product just isn't good enough.
That makes no sense.
This is why DUST districts need to be a part of the EVE sovereignty system. And we need a combined economy. These are things I've talked about for a long time, and intend to actively campaign for if I'm elected to the CPM.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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OSGR Valdez
TeamPlayers
Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2014.01.04 15:46:00 -
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Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
258
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:16:00 -
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OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product.
I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points.
I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1896
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:19:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:kiarbanor wrote:The reason I like your idea about EvE being in control and hiring us is because the current "concept" of PC has never made sense to me. One merc corp hiring mercs from somewhere else is like Burger King hiring McDonald's to sell hamburgers because their product just isn't good enough.
That makes no sense.
This is why DUST districts need to be a part of the EVE sovereignty system. And we need a combined economy. These are things I've talked about for a long time, and intend to actively campaign for if I'm elected to the CPM.
I'll probably vote for you then.
Pc in ONE word - backwards ownership 
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1906
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Posted - 2014.01.04 18:22:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas.
This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you.
I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
260
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Posted - 2014.01.04 20:49:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you. I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol.
Stuff like that, Tech. Stuff like that. A lot of people fear competition in this game, or they at least try to avoid it at all costs. Only in this medium where anonymity thrives can this stuff happen. Can't fix the people and their mindset, but we can help add wrinkles into the game that push people toward competition. And that doesn't mean only hardcore competition because that's only fun for some. Just competition.
I still like the foundation of my idea. To keep it more competitive, and to keep the corporation unity feel, I think it would be good to have bonuses for corps willing to field the entire team in defense of their district. On offense, anything goes. But on defense, you should get some sort of bonus per Merc wearing your tag. And to stop guys from simply switching corps before each battle, set a specific amount of time a person has to wait in order to switch.
Things like this that make it mean something to represent a corp. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1906
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:00:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you. I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol. Stuff like that, Tech. Stuff like that. A lot of people fear competition in this game, or they at least try to avoid it at all costs. Only in this medium where anonymity thrives can this stuff happen. Can't fix the people and their mindset, but we can help add wrinkles into the game that push people toward competition. And that doesn't mean only hardcore competition because that's only fun for some. Just competition. I still like the foundation of my idea. To keep it more competitive, and to keep the corporation unity feel, I think it would be good to have bonuses for corps willing to field the entire team in defense of their district. On offense, anything goes. But on defense, you should get some sort of bonus per Merc wearing your tag. And to stop guys from simply switching corps before each battle, set a specific amount of time a person has to wait in order to switch. Things like this that make it mean something to represent a corp.
Is your char named after the monster in the cave in Monty pythons the holy grail where the rabbit dwells? Or the rabbit is named that? I can't remember.
And yeah agreed.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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kiarbanor
S.e.V.e.N.
261
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:09:00 -
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You get 1000 likes for figuring that out. :) not spelled right, but it's the way it sounds. I have an alt with it spelled right.
Great movie. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1907
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:17:00 -
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kiarbanor wrote:You get 1000 likes for figuring that out. :) not spelled right, but it's the way it sounds. I have an alt with it spelled right.
Great movie.
Hahaha fk yeah 
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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ReGnYuM
Imperfects
1689
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:30:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you. I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol.
You know I was joking when I said that. Why would I waste ISK on you, when I can easily just smash you.
LMFAO
Official Imperfect Title: Supreme Leader of the Endless Sunset
I Slay, for thy Empress
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Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1704
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:33:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you. I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol. You know I was joking when I said that. Why would I waste ISK on you, when I can easily just smash you. LMFAO
We are human regnum and its in our nature to want to find a reason other than ourselves for failure.
[CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm
[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit
[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1908
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:39:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you. I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol. You know I was joking when I said that. Why would I waste ISK on you, when I can easily just smash you. LMFAO
Oh, yeah that's what I was thinking but someone paid him to do it and that really was pathetic who ever did because it was fun until then.
Anyway I play as well as I can be bothered to play, which hasn't been for months.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines
Kleenex Inc.
1908
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:40:00 -
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Free Beers wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:TechMechMeds wrote:kiarbanor wrote:OSGR Valdez wrote:Eve is soon going to be in charge of mobilizing clones in PC, Which I agree with. Dusties controlling MCC's doesn't make sense.
However, having Eve be the sole overseer of entire PC doesn't make sense either.
Having the power to conquer districts and generate more power (clones / ISK ) is the entire intention of PC. And most likely will remain that way.
Big Corporations are big corporations for a reason. McDonalds is McDonalds for a reason.
They did something right.
Changing the schematics of the game isn't going to happen whether it be DUST or the corporate real world. The way to be successful is either build talent or use talent.
Good points, OSGR. Any real world examples we use simply won't work on some level. McDonalds would never hire Burger King, but McDonalds would do everything possible to recruit more talent and have an overall better product. I think there would be issues with EvE running everything, too. I want more integration. But it has to be well thought out. All I know is that true competition and fun is nearly impossible in PC. The large percentage of people don't want competition, they only want to win. These are the same people, for example, that created their own players in Madden, each of them rated 99. And then they would go out and kill the computer by 100 points. I don't think PC should ever be like that. Players are to blame just as much as CCP, but CCP can definitely make some changes to allow better competition. That is the whole basis of my original ideas. This precisely, people don't seem to want competition in dust, they'd rather hamstring it through espionage or the lag and player kicks do that for you. I was in a fw match against some decent players and it was intense and fun until a sniper on our team started sniping us all so we were easy pickings, found after the match the said sniper was paid to 'even' the odds, wtf lol. You know I was joking when I said that. Why would I waste ISK on you, when I can easily just smash you. LMFAO We are human regnum and its in our nature to want to find a reason other than ourselves for failure.
Failure in a game maybe, but your scrubby elitist attitude over a game has implications of an actual scrub or a teenybopper.
Pick one.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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Free Beers
Imperfects
Negative-Feedback
1704
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:52:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:
Failure in a game maybe, but your scrubby elitist attitude over a game has implications of an actual scrub or a teenybopper.
Pick one.
I honestly have no idea what you are on about. My statement was simple. We as players would rather look for a reason out of our control to blame for losing then accept our own skill (or our terrible blueberrys) determined the outcome.
If you are just about to call people names there is a thread Quickgloves started where we are having a go at him.
[CCP]FoxFour> STFU beers[CCP]FoxFour> Erm
[CCP]FoxFour> I mean[CCP]FoxFour> shit
[CCP]FoxFour> you were defending me
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