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D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1206
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:43:00 -
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Its time to stop riding on the fence and decide. Should their be a flood of new content that is incomplete but at least out to the public? OR should all resources be focused on core mechanics only?
The poly-chronic approach is not working right now. too many resources are split between too many projects. To be honest, I think as much new content as possible should be released and then core mechanics fine tuned (since currently they are working reasonably well.).
Community, CCPs devs, CPMs, GMs, etc what is your take on this?
- focus full all resources on NEW CONTENT
-OR-
- focus all resources on core mechanics
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Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1836
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:50:00 -
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Honestly ? What they have to lose ? Even if they **** things a bit with lots of content, is not like they going to lost a huge amount of players.
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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3294
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:51:00 -
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NEW CONTENT
- By this I mean currently I can accept the state of the game as it is. Yes indeed it does need some fixes to glitches, FPS, and general operations. But I would NOT play any game based solely on how well it ran. I am already growing bored with Dust, I recently respected into Tanks with the intent to run Amarr HAV. Its is enjoyable currently but I find it grates of me the long I spend Tanking.
- I only now play FW matches if I can, so I can only play Skirmish.
-I have to use Gallentean Tanks because Amarr ones aren't out yet.
I feel this game needs more diversity in things to do from PvE to PvP in FW,PC, and Public contracts. I feel this game needs more in terms of racial parity so our new players don't walk into a half finished game, and our vets don't complain that core content features are missing. I feel this game needs more diverse and unique game modes, and any FW or PC content needs to feel like its affecting the status quo. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1206
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:52:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:Honestly ? What they have to lose ? Even if they **** things a bit with lots of content, is not like they going to lost a huge amount of players.
I am saying. its time for some direction or focus rather. if they focus on one or the other alot of results will be seen fast. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1571
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:52:00 -
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I want to comment but I really don't feel like typing a novel at this point... |
Hellkeizer
The Avutora Complex
155
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:52:00 -
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You know that more resources are working on mechanics right now anyway. It's the fact that the resoures are being wasted on balancing things when core content isn't out |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3294
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:54:00 -
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Hellkeizer wrote:You know that more resources are working on mechanics right now anyway. It's the fact that the resoures are being wasted on balancing things when core content isn't out THIS
you cannot develop a meta or balance it when you are missing the content. Our current meta is AR Assault Logi.
It could soon been Crusader, Debuff, Rail Rifle.
It wouldn't matter because CCP wouldn't get onto it until a month after the release of the suits. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1206
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:55:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I want to comment but I really don't feel like typing a novel at this point...
Well you can just mention whether you want new content Or core mechanics |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1836
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:57:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Honestly ? What they have to lose ? Even if they **** things a bit with lots of content, is not like they going to lost a huge amount of players.
I am saying. its time for some direction or focus rather. if they focus on one or the other alot of results will be seen fast.
I just saying, at this point we are near a Closed Beta player base... as things are right now, an aggressive content release road-map will be the most beneficial for CCP. |
D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1208
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Posted - 2013.10.17 23:59:00 -
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Banning Hammer wrote:D legendary hero wrote:Banning Hammer wrote:Honestly ? What they have to lose ? Even if they **** things a bit with lots of content, is not like they going to lost a huge amount of players.
I am saying. its time for some direction or focus rather. if they focus on one or the other alot of results will be seen fast. I just saying, at this point we are near a Closed Beta player base... as things are right now, an aggressive content release road-map will be the most beneficial for CCP.
Yes. |
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howard sanchez
expert intervention Caldari State
781
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:03:00 -
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I really can relate to what our Amaarian representative said above. But if CCP has a cadre of programmers working on performance, bugs and such as well as a team of developers working on content....here's the catch....AND they can deliver on both of those fronts - then I am all for this approach.
But, like the OP, this past patch and from what little we understand of it, the next one as well are being described by CCP as ' light'.
I hear A Lot about holidays and breaks and hirings and firings and more holidays and such....but with output and productivity like we are currently experiencing, my hopes for anything are dwindling. |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1477
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:07:00 -
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It's like asking if my car needs oil OR gasoline.
[Pre-post Edit: took out the part where I called all your posts overly simplistic sensationalist drivel.]
.... ****. bungled that one. |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1572
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:12:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Michael Arck wrote:I want to comment but I really don't feel like typing a novel at this point... Well you can just mention whether you want new content Or core mechanics
I want new content. I think if we keep going over the core, it will be an endless loop that we can't get out of.
Cause, ironically, COD showed the world that you can have a game with poor mechanics and still have engaging content that has the player completely disregard or work around the flaws of the core mechanics just because the game is fun as ****.
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Slightly-Mental
Zumari Force Projection Caldari State
19
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:13:00 -
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posted this in another thread,
I wouldn't care if they had to do 2/3 or even 4 updates a month to fix the core problems, if it meant the fundamental idea's of Dust's interaction with Eve got worked on at a noticeable pace.
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D legendary hero
THE WARRIORS OF LEGEND
1208
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:15:00 -
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Rogatien Merc wrote:It's like asking if my car needs oil OR gasoline.
[Pre-post Edit: took out the part where I called all your posts overly simplistic sensationalist drivel.]
.... ****. bungled that one.
Hahaha. your funny. Why? Your post just did this "overly simplistic sensationalist drivel" |
Rogatien Merc
Red Star. EoN.
1477
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:18:00 -
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D legendary hero wrote:Rogatien Merc wrote:It's like asking if my car needs oil OR gasoline.
[Pre-post Edit: took out the part where I called all your posts overly simplistic sensationalist drivel.]
.... ****. bungled that one. Hahaha. your funny. Why? Your post just did this "overly simplistic sensationalist drivel"
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Thumb Green
Novashift
474
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:19:00 -
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My vote will always be core mechanics. Make sure what we have now works properly before piling even more broken sh!t on top of it. I mean hell, we can't even be in too many chat channels without it causing serious problems. |
Banning Hammer
Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire
1838
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:34:00 -
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Thumb Green wrote:My vote will always be core mechanics. Make sure what we have now works properly before piling even more broken sh!t on top of it. I mean hell, we can't even be in too many chat channels without it causing serious problems.
You see..... what is with this crap^ ? We going to spend months fixing what we have right now, then add a couple of weapons and 1 suit, and then spend next 3 months trying to balance that.....
Is one of that self-destructive loops... every time you get near to the end, you have to start all over again.
Just for ONES CCP, listen to the other side of you community, because the ones you listening to right now, aren't helping. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
6127
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:37:00 -
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Core mechanics and core content. Did you see the topic from the guy still patiently waiting for his Minmatar heavy? Good lord, get that man his suit. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
3300
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:38:00 -
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howard sanchez wrote:I really can relate to what our Amaarian representative said above.
I like the sound of that. |
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Chad Michael Murray
The Phoenix Federation Ascension Alliance
98
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:50:00 -
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The rest of the basic content, balance that THEN new content; in that order. |
Vrain Matari
ZionTCD
1116
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Posted - 2013.10.18 00:55:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Core mechanics and core content. Did you see the topic from the guy still patiently waiting for his Minmatar heavy? Good lord, get that man his suit. I have to go with Cosgar on this. I'm pretty sure CCP is thinking this way too.
Here's the thing: given where we started the repair process from, say about 1.2, mechanics had to lead content. There was really no choice at all. If CCP had focused on content first we'd most likely be finished with DUST and moved on to other things, what was left of the forums would be a smoking hellhole with a few sad creatures still flopping around in their death throes and the press would almost certainly be putting the torch to the kindling and pushing the longship bearing the carcass of DUST out to sea.
Somebody made some very good decisions when they needed to be made. If it wasn't Unifex then an upstart has arisen who can give ol' Uni a run for his money ;)
Whoever you are, the drinks are on me, mate. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
332
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:05:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:Core mechanics and core content. Did you see the topic from the guy still patiently waiting for his Minmatar heavy? Good lord, get that man his suit.
Lol, it's funny because it's true. |
Ignoble Son
3dge of D4rkness SoulWing Alliance
332
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:06:00 -
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Content please. |
Master Jaraiya
Ultramarine Corp
1120
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:22:00 -
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They really need to take a step back from the core mechanics and add the rest of the basic content that is missing. |
howard sanchez
expert intervention Caldari State
783
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:40:00 -
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Vrain Matari wrote:Cosgar wrote:Core mechanics and core content. Did you see the topic from the guy still patiently waiting for his Minmatar heavy? Good lord, get that man his suit. I have to go with Cosgar on this. I'm pretty sure CCP is thinking this way too. Here's the thing: given where we started the repair process from, say about 1.2, mechanics had to lead content. There was really no choice at all. If CCP had focused on content first we'd most likely be finished with DUST and moved on to other things, what was left of the forums would be a smoking hellhole with a few sad creatures still flopping around in their death throes and the press would almost certainly be putting the torch to the kindling and pushing the longship bearing the carcass of DUST out to sea. Somebody made some very good decisions when they needed to be made. If it wasn't Unifex then an upstart has arisen who can give ol' Uni a run for his money ;) Whoever you are, the drinks are on me, mate. Vrain's right again. CCP HAD to fix the core mechanics right after release. They've done a decent job of fixing a lot of big game breaking issues. And I agree that the rapid fixes they have put in place have probably stemmed the playerbase hemmoraghing to the point that this patient is alive if still in shock and bleeding.
Now is the time to do one of two things: content & fixes/balance (core) or just content. You have got to get new players in and staying. You've held onto the base you could with the mechanics and bug repair but the tide has turned and the player flow is going the wrong way. |
Atiim
Living Like Larry Schwag
231
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Posted - 2013.10.18 01:56:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:NEW CONTENT
- By this I mean currently I can accept the state of the game as it is. Yes indeed it does need some fixes to glitches, FPS, and general operations. But I would NOT play any game based solely on how well it ran. I am already growing bored with Dust, I recently respected into Tanks with the intent to run Amarr HAV. Its is enjoyable currently but I find it grates of me the long I spend Tanking.
- I only now play FW matches if I can, so I can only play Skirmish.
-I have to use Gallentean Tanks because Amarr ones aren't out yet.
I feel this game needs more diversity in things to do from PvE to PvP in FW,PC, and Public contracts. I feel this game needs more in terms of racial parity so our new players don't walk into a half finished game, and our vets don't complain that core content features are missing. I feel this game needs more diverse and unique game modes, and any FW or PC content needs to feel like its affecting the status quo. You forgot a respec for tankers so that they can pick thier class again.
As much as I hate you and your corp, It must suck having to use Gallente gear for you doesn't it? |
Shotty GoBang
Pro Hic Immortalis
1583
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:11:00 -
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1) Mechanics 2) Balance 3) New Content
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
204
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:25:00 -
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Core content, then balance, then new content later. I think the core mechanics are fixed to the point now that they are not the breaking point for anyone.
IMO, it's clearly a bit too much to ask of CCP to properly balance anything without us play testing (and inevitably breaking) it after a month or so for them. If they had a proper test server for us to play around with maybe my answer would be different, but based on past experience I think anything they put out at any time will inevitably need future tweaks. Furthermore, I suspect what would be more likely to bring people in (or back) is fresh content. |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
783
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Posted - 2013.10.18 02:26:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Hellkeizer wrote:You know that more resources are working on mechanics right now anyway. It's the fact that the resoures are being wasted on balancing things when core content isn't out THIS you cannot develop a meta or balance it when you are missing the content. Our current meta is AR Assault Logi.
All of this all day long. |
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