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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:04:00 -
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After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
561
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:05:00 -
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Just got a proto flaylock few days ago and the splash damage i a have been getting is a bit disappoint. I would say it needs a small buff, maybe .25 or .5 Radius increase. |
Badgerr Rager
Black Phoenix Mercenaries
182
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:11:00 -
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The flaylock is good to what it is now. Just shoot closer to their feet.
They wont be rebuffing a weapon after nerfing it and making it a proper sidearm weapon. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4092
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:14:00 -
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I think the FLP is good as it is. It's a sidearm. It's effective when you get people's shields down.
I've had good results with the Core FLP in the past, when I need it in a pinch. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:16:00 -
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Badgerr Rager wrote:The flaylock is good to what it is now. Just shoot closer to their feet.
They wont be rebuffing a weapon after nerfing it and making it a proper sidearm weapon. If by shooting there feet you mean shooting there foot directly then yes thats what you have to do. |
Cody Sietz
Bullet Cluster
1200
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:17:00 -
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I didn't use it too much pre nerf, but I do now.
Imo it didn't need a radius and dmg nerf. They should buff one or the other.
.25 would be good. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:17:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I think the FLP is good as it is. It's a sidearm. It's effective when you get people's shields down.
I've had good results with the Core FLP in the past, when I need it in a pinch. But why would i use a flaylock when i could get MUCH better results from a scrambler pistol or a smg? It has worse dps, is harder to hit with, and has a small mag. |
Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance
3957
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:19:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Badgerr Rager wrote:The flaylock is good to what it is now. Just shoot closer to their feet.
They wont be rebuffing a weapon after nerfing it and making it a proper sidearm weapon. If by shooting there feet you mean shooting there foot directly then yes thats what you have to do.
God forbid you should actually have to aim properly... |
Viktor Hadah Jr
Negative-Impact Cult of War
561
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:20:00 -
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The only reason i use the flaylock is because of the low PG requirement, in my opinion it is no where near par with the scram pistol, to the point where i would pick a Adv scram pistol over my proto flaylock |
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll
Osmon Surveillance Caldari State
255
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:22:00 -
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Explosions are calculated in feet/diameter, not meters/radius like it says on the tip. Grenades are the only real exception I believe. |
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:22:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Badgerr Rager wrote:The flaylock is good to what it is now. Just shoot closer to their feet.
They wont be rebuffing a weapon after nerfing it and making it a proper sidearm weapon. If by shooting there feet you mean shooting there foot directly then yes thats what you have to do. God forbid you should actually have to aim properly... I can aim my scrambler pistol to get head shots. If the whole point of the flaylock is to be a explosive weapon shouldnt it accually have a explosion to it? If were going for direct impacts the scrambler pistol is better |
ADAM-OF-EVE
Svartur Bjorn Neo Terra Empire
432
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:24:00 -
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try getting a direct hit and stop relying on splash damage to make up for your lack of skill |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:25:00 -
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ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:try getting a direct hit and stop relying on splash damage to make up for your lack of skill Or i could just use a scrambler pistol instead. Whats the point if your not using it for its splash damage? |
Operative 1171 Aajli
Bragian Order Amarr Empire
613
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Posted - 2013.10.17 06:27:00 -
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It already got nerfed for being too much. Give me a better splash radius and damage for my large missile turret before adding any to a tiny pistol. I shouldn't have to aim right at someone to do any damage with huge freakin' volley of huge missiles. |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
711
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:35:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:try getting a direct hit and stop relying on splash damage to make up for your lack of skill Or i could just use a scrambler pistol instead. Whats the point if your not using it for its splash damage? the point is, it is a sidearm with very low fitting requirements that you switch into when you are out of ammo, then you hit with it when the shields are down and your target dies due to lolexplo damage vs armor |
BARDAS
DUST University Ivy League
672
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Posted - 2013.10.17 07:37:00 -
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The Flaylock more than deserved its nerf. It was getting waaay out of hand the damn thing was a complete n00b tube. |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4092
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:05:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:I think the FLP is good as it is. It's a sidearm. It's effective when you get people's shields down.
I've had good results with the Core FLP in the past, when I need it in a pinch. But why would i use a flaylock when i could get MUCH better results from a scrambler pistol or a smg? It has worse dps, is harder to hit with, and has a small mag.
I used it on certain maps because my job was to hold a point, usually one with allot walls and **** around me. Hence the Core FLP was good in pinch in certain situations.
My favorite sidearm is the SMG hands down. |
Spkr4theDead
Red Star. EoN.
1052
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:09:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.......................................
I'm not really infantry, but wasn't it nerfed because it became the flavor of the month? |
Eversor Beercase
Beer For Evil Mercs
51
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Posted - 2013.10.17 08:26:00 -
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I've been using the advanced one with op lvl 4 for a week now and it's good as it is now. It has the ability to do great burst damage to armor, can damage vehicles and installations and is able to kill multiple mercs with a single shot (I've only gotten a few double kills so far). It also has a low fitting cost. If you need to use some skill to hit with it, I'd say it's pretty balanced. Try running a plasma cannon and then switch to flaylocks and you'll have no problem hitting your target often enough, even with the non-proto variants. |
BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
89
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:00:00 -
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Aww how cute. These guys arrived late for the flaylock party and now they want an encore. Well the show is over. Flaylock has been balanced. Next time skill into an OP weapon b4 it gets nerfed. |
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Lorhak Gannarsein
molon labe. RISE of LEGION
453
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:14:00 -
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Aside from the ease of fitting it, what's the point of the FLP if there's no explosive radius? Why not use an SMG instead? You keep the bonus to armour, and hell, you can use the SMG as a primary... I know I do.
M209 4 LYFE |
m twiggz
Hollowed Kings
96
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:21:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock
Its a side arm weapon, use it as a side arm. Its not meant to kill people all by itself. Sidearms are 'back up' weapons, used if you run out of ammo or for different situations. Sick of people complaining that things are UP in this game when you're trying to use it for what its not intended for. Try using your primary weapon to weaken your opponent then pull out your Flaylock to finish the kill. I guarantee it will work just as its meant to.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I won't stand here and tell you you're wrong. I'll stand here and tell you that you're stupid and aren't using your weapons correctly. That sir, is a fact.
PS; In all honesty continue running around with your Flaylock, or your scrambler pistols, or your sub machine guns as primary weapons. More kills for us more intelligent people. I'll take your QQ'ing on the forums for more kills on the battlefield any day. |
BrownEye1129
Death In Xcess Corporation
89
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Posted - 2013.10.17 09:24:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Aside from the ease of fitting it, what's the point of the FLP if there's no explosive radius? Why not use an SMG instead? You keep the bonus to armour, and hell, you can use the SMG as a primary... I know I do.
M209 4 LYFE
Nobody is forcing you to use the Flaylock over the SMG or Scram Pistol. Use those if you want. I know when I'm running AR for CQC and I turn the corner into 3+ reds thank goodness I have a flaylock equipped for that situation. |
Denchlad 7
Heavy Reign inc. Freek Alliance
3
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Posted - 2013.10.17 10:27:00 -
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Generally speaking, a direct hit + one shot just off gives enough splash damage to kill most fits, aside from heavies that is. I would just improve your aim as I doubt they'll buff something that was nerfed.
Oh, and the Core Flaylock is still pretty ridiculous if you can aim with it. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:06:00 -
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I still think the blast radius is to small. The std one is worthless and not even worth using, adv is slightly better but still pretty useless, proto is semi usable. A slightly bigger blast wouldent make it OP, it was OP because of the damage. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1866
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:27:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock
>>>WOW HE EVEN GOT PROF 4! <<<
He must BE A PRO!
Dude, aim to the KNEES and aim for a DIRECT shot. If you miss, splash will kick in. FL are good. Git gud with them Stop trying to use it as a mass driver.Its not. Its a PISTOL.
End thread/ |
low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
721
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:40:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock
it's a pistol. you're not supposed to be firing it at their feet. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 17:56:00 -
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Well you guys have convinced me, the flaylock is designed to be a bad weapon. Ive gone back to the burst scrambler pistol. |
Obodiah Garro
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
431
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:13:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock
stfu fool |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:16:00 -
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Obodiah Garro wrote:Dexter307 wrote:After playing with it for a while and even getting proficiency to lvl 4 ive come to the conclusion that the explosion is to small to reliably kill people unless your above them and their standing still. IMO the radius for std/adv/pro should be 1.5/1.75/2.0 After the damage nerf it would be fine to have a acctual explosion for the flaylock stfu fool Read my last post |
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1867
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:17:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Well you guys have convinced me, the flaylock is designed to be a bad weapon. Ive gone back to the burst scrambler pistol.
So the FLAYLOCK is a bad weapon.
And you're going BACK , to the BURST scrambler Pistol....
HAHA man you are funny X) |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core Gallente Federation
656
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:18:00 -
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His "flaylock"'s "splash" is too small HURR HURR HURR |
Flix Keptick
Red Star. EoN.
781
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:20:00 -
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Dont complain, the tiny rockets you shoot have more splash damage than the missiles I fire with my tank |
Joel II X
AHPA
38
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:26:00 -
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BrownEye1129 wrote:Aww how cute. These guys arrived late for the flaylock party and now they want an encore. Well the show is over. Flaylock has been balanced. Next time skill into an OP weapon b4 it gets nerfed. Lol nicely put. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1870
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:29:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:BrownEye1129 wrote:Aww how cute. These guys arrived late for the flaylock party and now they want an encore. Well the show is over. Flaylock has been balanced. Next time skill into an OP weapon b4 it gets nerfed. Lol nicely put.
I actually specced into FLAYLOCK after the nerf XD I got me mad me trying to score direct hits and everybody useing Core FL as Massdrivers XD After the nerf i can peacefully use it and its a great side arm to complement my Amarrian Weaponry... |
Coleman Gray
GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention
817
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:30:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:ADAM-OF-EVE wrote:try getting a direct hit and stop relying on splash damage to make up for your lack of skill Or i could just use a scrambler pistol instead. Whats the point if your not using it for its splash damage?
Because Scrambler pistol does less per shot, isn't explosive either. If they Flaylock was designed to be more splash than direct, then it's stats would suggest so. |
CLONE117
Planetary Response Organization Test Friends Please Ignore
414
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:35:00 -
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...
from my time and experience during the "great" massacre.
it was heaven when that op weapon was nerfed.
players were going way over 50 kills with that gun..
that flaylock change was a miracle as far as im concerned.. |
Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
4500
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:55:00 -
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I have to disagree with the OP. I have been around long enough to see the Flaylock start off as an overpowering weapon, then get overly nerfed into a useless weapon, and then finally get perfectly balanced to where it is now.
Very few sidearms can potentially be primary weapons. The Flaylock is not one of them. The Nova Knives and the SMG have that potential to be treated like primary weapons in the hands of a real professional, but not a Flaylock. The primary purpose of the Flaylock is to finish off the opponent in 2-3 shots when their shields and armor are still weak. |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
1109
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Posted - 2013.10.17 18:56:00 -
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over nerfed, but at least the cpu and pg stayed cheap.
seriously though if you can fit an smg never look at this POS |
jlpgaming2752
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
4
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:04:00 -
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The Flaylock is a side-arm, so use it like one. Aim it at the feet. It's EXPLOSIVE! It's overall a nice sidearm. I have lvl 5, and it's beast after their shield is gone. |
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:12:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Well you guys have convinced me, the flaylock is designed to be a bad weapon. Ive gone back to the burst scrambler pistol. So the FLAYLOCK is a bad weapon.
And you're going BACK , to the BURST scrambler Pistol....HAHA man you are funny X) One burst to the head can kill almost any suit except heavies or proto suits, those take 2 |
xLT Green
Damage Core corp.
31
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:23:00 -
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So I put it like this. Smg can kill anything with one magazine and spry and pry scrambler pistol takes accuracy to use but can be affective to kill some one with one magazine. So if ur telling me a side arm is for defensive purposes only why is the smg and scrambler pistol mor effective then any flaylock pistol is? I agree that the flaylock needed the nurf but the smg and scrambler pistol still rain supreme over all side arms why dose the flaylock need to the coolest weapon out ther but the least effective. I use it still for a defensive weapon but that's it. I want one more round in a magazine and then it will be good imo. |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1873
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Posted - 2013.10.17 19:31:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Well you guys have convinced me, the flaylock is designed to be a bad weapon. Ive gone back to the burst scrambler pistol. So the FLAYLOCK is a bad weapon.
And you're going BACK , to the BURST scrambler Pistol....HAHA man you are funny X) One burst to the head can kill almost any suit except heavies or proto suits, those take 2
One shot of any weapon with headshot bonus makes short of Enemies. Scrambler rifles Scrambler Pistols TAC AR BRST AR Etc...
Point being ; Burst is the worst of SCRAM pistols , there by, find it funny you call a gun that can 2 shot a shield-less heavy or Gal Logi: ''bad weapon''... AKA Flaylock Pistol.... Just because you cant score direct hits with it.... |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
454
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:05:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Dexter307 wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Well you guys have convinced me, the flaylock is designed to be a bad weapon. Ive gone back to the burst scrambler pistol. So the FLAYLOCK is a bad weapon.
And you're going BACK , to the BURST scrambler Pistol....HAHA man you are funny X) One burst to the head can kill almost any suit except heavies or proto suits, those take 2 One shot of any weapon with headshot bonus makes short of Enemies.Scrambler rifles Scrambler Pistols TAC AR BRST AR Etc... Point being ; Burst is the worst of SCRAM pistols , there by, find it funny you call a gun that can 2 shot a shield-less heavy or Gal Logi: ''bad weapon''... AKA Flaylock Pistol.... Just because you cant score direct hits with it.... Only the scrambler pistol gets a massive headshot bonus. And the burst version is the best IMO because one trigger pull does more damage than any other pistol. About 150 per burst with no proficiency, and 675 damage to the head |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1011
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Posted - 2013.10.17 20:45:00 -
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Sorry, I used my Proto Core Flaylocks with Proficiency 3 to murder a couple of forum QQers in STD suits with GEKs when Hit Detection for any weapon that didn't rely on splash damage was broken. My bad.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
357
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:17:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Joel II X wrote:BrownEye1129 wrote:Aww how cute. These guys arrived late for the flaylock party and now they want an encore. Well the show is over. Flaylock has been balanced. Next time skill into an OP weapon b4 it gets nerfed. Lol nicely put. I actually specced into FLAYLOCK after the nerf XD I got me mad me trying to score direct hits and everybody useing Core FL as Massdrivers XD After the nerf i can peacefully use it and its a great side arm to complement my Amarrian Weaponry...
That moment when the enemy is like "oooo he's out of ammo in his Assault scrambler rifle get him!"and I whip out the core flaylock and pop, pop, pop he's dead |
KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
1878
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Posted - 2013.10.17 21:34:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:KING CHECKMATE wrote:Joel II X wrote:BrownEye1129 wrote:Aww how cute. These guys arrived late for the flaylock party and now they want an encore. Well the show is over. Flaylock has been balanced. Next time skill into an OP weapon b4 it gets nerfed. Lol nicely put. I actually specced into FLAYLOCK after the nerf XD I got me mad me trying to score direct hits and everybody useing Core FL as Massdrivers XD After the nerf i can peacefully use it and its a great side arm to complement my Amarrian Weaponry... That moment when the enemy is like "oooo he's out of ammo in his Assault scrambler rifle get him!"and I whip out the core flaylock and pop, pop, pop he's dead
Usually ''Pop'' or ''Pop pop''.
It never takes 3 shots.
SR 120% vs Shields high PG usage FP 120% Vs Armor no PG usage
Usually is (on 1 v1 ) GÖªScrambler rifle Charged Shot GÖª Swap weapon GÖª 1-2 Flaylock to the leggyweggs (i aim for the knees,in case i miss the direct hit splash damage still kicks in)
This is my day to day engaging technique.
But point made, The Flaylock pistol does have a little too much of a learning curve ATM for some players... And both Scrambler P and SMG's are great weapons too... |
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