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Phazoid
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:47:00 -
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AR now is probably a placeholder, but anyway the real thing the AR needs is recoil, kind of battlefield recoil, because the range is not the problem, the problem is extremely high accuracy of the AR at very long range at full auto, i can keep firing my 60 bullet clip to a target at 70 meters and i will miss 1/3 of the clip, instead of firing by burst at long range to keep on your target, but full auto at medium range or close range, its a very low skill high reward weapon, its not broken OP BUT it does have an advantage to other weapons, also hip-fire is very accurate , it has high damage high rate of fire, high clip size, long range and extreme accuracy, it needs a challenge for players, something to master, right now its very easy to use it, and also the range of the STD AR makes the tactical kind of outclassed, the tactical is supposed to be the high accuracy one |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.18 22:59:00 -
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Phazoid wrote:AR now is probably a placeholder, but anyway the real thing the AR needs is recoil, kind of battlefield recoil, because the range is not the problem, the problem is extremely high accuracy of the AR at very long range at full auto, i can keep firing my 60 bullet clip to a target at 70 meters and i will miss 1/3 of the clip, instead of firing by burst at long range to keep on your target, but full auto at medium range or close range, its a very low skill high reward weapon, its not broken OP BUT it does have an advantage to other weapons, also hip-fire is very accurate , it has high damage high rate of fire, high clip size, long range and extreme accuracy, it needs a challenge for players, something to master, right now its very easy to use it, and also the range of the STD AR makes the tactical kind of outclassed, the tactical is supposed to be the high accuracy one
Burst needs some serious attention as well. Fired a whole clip at an unsuspecting target from 39m and barely 12 hits landed and dealt damage... from separate bursts. |
Monkey MAC
killer taxi company
General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2013.10.18 23:01:00 -
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Michael real AR can easily drop someone at well over 200m! But also snipers can hit a watermelon at 2Km, grenades have a kill radius the size of a tank, Shotguns can kill as far as 50m.
This is a game!
Ranges are extremely condensed.
AR is typically short mid range.
However DUST is unique in that we have weapon types!
Projectile
Projectile - Hybrid
Energy
Energy - Hybrid
Each one has a more preferred range of engagement! However they attempt to copy each other via variations! As such the AR does not offer the typical game style of a 1 weapon soultion, if you want to fight across multiple ranges you need all variations of whichever RR you prefer.
This is also a game where your choice of weaponry extends beyond AR, short range AR, AR with a big mag, sniper shotgun! As such the AR becomes even less of a see all do all soultion giving weapons like the mass driver, shotgun and sniper DISTINCT advantages in certain situations.
Except its not.
Why use an MD when an AR is just as effective against a mob?
Why use a shotgun when an AR requires no aiming at the same range?
Why use a sniper when an AR can be just as accurate by feathering the trigger?
Why use a laser when an AR provides more damage with out the need for heat?
Why use a HMG when an AR is more powerful at 20m?
The only weapons that you can't beat with an AR is AV!
There are no penalties for hipfire, you have ridiculous sized mags, negligible reload time, no ballistics rapid fire rates, unerring accuracy, no kick (if you are getting kick from the AR thrn you are spraying and praying).
The list goes on, but basically the AR has no drawbacks, and truth betold the ScR aren't really any better! |
I AM TacoBueno
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.19 02:43:00 -
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Powerh8er wrote:I dont think the Ar needs a nerf, but I do think the HMG should have better range than it. Because its a machinegun after all. Meant to suppress infantry and all...
Yeah I honestly only said the AR needs less range because everything else has terrible range compared to it, but instead of nerfing its range it might actually be better to boost the other weapon ranges. I don't think though that the HMG should have a better range than an AR, even though in real life a minigun would have more range than an AR. |
NOAMIzzzzz
Pradox XVI
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Posted - 2013.10.19 02:46:00 -
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AR is so not OP what are yall talking about??? |
I AM TacoBueno
Krusual Covert Operators
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.10.19 20:48:00 -
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NOAMIzzzzz wrote:AR is so not OP what are yall talking about???
No one said it was |
deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:05:00 -
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They are op.
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:19:00 -
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Cosgar wrote:I put down my MD and picked up the AR this week, slowly investing my future combat rifle SP into it. I have a GEK-38, sharpshooter level 3 and can solo anything but a Duvolle or proto heavy with a boundless toe-to-toe. I'm killing scouts, MD users and just about anything else in my way just by hip firing. The only time I actually have to ADS is against laser users, hitting them just outside of my rendering distance. My KDR has shot up 0.11 in a day just with aim assist on and hip firing, getting 10-15 kills a match on average.
After 4 hours of horrible matchmaking and heavy loses, i decided i needed a break of running around with my beloved laser weaponry,as powerful as it is Its not very effective against MULTIPLE enemies at the same time and thanks to mathmaking i was running into 3+ reds all the time..... I had alredy lost 0.03 K-D ratio that night and i just wanted to play good and win some...
I put on a GEK. I must admit i have NO proficiency with this weapon nor i used Cx Damage mod.
I'll just say my K-D ratio went up 0.04 in 1 hour.....
The only thing i must mention becasue i felt cheap, was killing a Laser user while my ''optimal range'' said 60% and he probably had 120%-100%...and i won. LOL |
Brynjar Reko
Militaires Sans Jeux
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Posted - 2013.10.19 21:24:00 -
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Michael Arck wrote:I am seriously so tired of these AR threads. Could all you guys just band together and make a thread with all your AR opinions and feels?
69m away is not a bad spot for an AR to kill you with. Why do you guys continually bring up minimal range as if the AR is shooting you from the stratosphere?
Because there are three long range rifles right now and only two of them have any downside. We want weapon variety but when the Gallente AR, serving as the stand in for all racial ARs as a standard weapon while if we stick to the "lore" should be a close range weapon, becomes the best choice at any range we tend to get problems. |
Cosgar
ParagonX
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:48:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:Cosgar wrote:I put down my MD and picked up the AR this week, slowly investing my future combat rifle SP into it. I have a GEK-38, sharpshooter level 3 and can solo anything but a Duvolle or proto heavy with a boundless toe-to-toe. I'm killing scouts, MD users and just about anything else in my way just by hip firing. The only time I actually have to ADS is against laser users, hitting them just outside of my rendering distance. My KDR has shot up 0.11 in a day just with aim assist on and hip firing, getting 10-15 kills a match on average.
After 4 hours of horrible matchmaking and heavy loses, i decided i needed a break of running around with my beloved laser weaponry,as powerful as it is Its not very effective against MULTIPLE enemies at the same time and thanks to mathmaking i was running into 3+ reds all the time..... I had alredy lost 0.03 K-D ratio that night and i just wanted to play good and win some...
I put on a GEK. I must admit i have NO proficiency with this weapon nor i used Cx Damage mod.
I'll just say my K-D ratio went up 0.04 in 1 hour.....
The only thing i must mention becasue i felt cheap, was killing a Laser user while my ''optimal range'' said 60% and he probably had 120%-100%...and i won. LOL
I agree. Out of all the kills I've collected with the AR, I can't say that they were earned. Point in a red's general direction, hold down R1 until they die, rinse and repeat. Truly a no skill weapon. |
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.10.19 23:50:00 -
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IM AGAINST NERFS , but fixing the AR's Optimal rage and dispersion rate on full auto fire is NOT a nerf,but balance. |
Meeko Fent
DUST University
Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.10.21 02:57:00 -
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KING CHECKMATE wrote:IM AGAINST NERFS , but fixing the AR's Optimal rage and dispersion rate on full auto fire is NOT a nerf,but balance.
While I'm not disagreeing with what your saying, it NEEDS to be done, buffs and nerfs are all apart of balance.
Just imagine if we buffed ARs cause they felt the MD was OP.
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