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Rei Shepard Spectre II 678	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:37:00 - [1] - Quote I need to get this sht of my chest .... So ...after a week of not being able to Dust at all, i get a 2 hour Dust Window, i get on login and go for some action... First Game, i load into it ....VICTORY ......wait ......dafuq .... Ok guess this sht still happens .... Second Game, Load into it ....LOSE ....oh ffs come on .... Third times a charm right ? Third Game, Load into it ..../starts foaming ...i see our MCC at 25%...being delusional about being able to change something, i spawn aaaanddd see/meet completely NOONE ....for said 25%....O_o did they implement cloaks ? Fourth Game, oh yeah ...Sweet ..new full game, rush to the objective ...meet heavy Proto-Resistance Exxcelent near At!! i, Slay & **** my way to A and when i get there, turn around to see noone on my side in viewing distance x_x....so when i am then hacking all alone, a guy scratches my back, i scratch his face, he dies ....but then inc are all the guys i previously killed and die. I check the scoreboard, 2 proto teams...i check my side ...all pristine Blueberries i /Facepalm and take a Tankshell to the face. Match ends with a 28/8 with the second guy going 3/8, 4/11 etc ....at least the enemy teams must have been foaming too because i received some fanmail...about some Imperial Cheatgun... Fifth Game, cant be worse then game Four right RIGHT? Load into it ....3% left on our MCC .... Sixth and Final game didnt happen because i was kicked from the server.....and decided Sleep couldnt fail me like Scotty did... /sigh....
daishi mk03 Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 254	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:39:00 - [2] - Quote You need to get better.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 682	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:40:00 - [3] - Quote daishi mk03 wrote: You need to get better. I need to get better at finding matches ?...yeah if only it was a skill...
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1806	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:40:00 - [4] - Quote Sounds about right.... I actually spent more time Rage Quitting than i do playing the game....
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 450	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:45:00 - [5] - Quote Take a break. Armored Core V: Verdict Day can be pretty beastly.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 708	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:49:00 - [6] - Quote I was in a proto squad last night and we had a nice match of "catch the mythical intruder." We spent the match frolicking the match away, shooting each other, because it placed our whole squad against one guy. Then, another guy joined, and it added him to OUR SIDE. Hello, it's 6 vs 1 and you make it 7 vs 1? The hell? Towards the end, I was lucky enough to score an assist on him with my SMG. Almost killed me while I was laughing my butt off at him trying to hack the Terminal at the last few seconds of the match. Our team scored an amazing two kills and zero deaths. I was so proud.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 682	Posted - 2013.10.16 10:50:00 - [7] - Quote Banning Hammer wrote: Sounds about right.... I actually spent more time Rage Quitting than i do playing the game.... Guess its a good thing i cant play 24/7...but then atleast i get in 1 good game a day.. Borne Velvalor wrote: I was in a proto squad last night and we had a nice match of "catch the mythical intruder." We spent the match frolicking the match away, shooting each other, because it placed our whole squad against one guy. Then, another guy joined, and it added him to OUR SIDE. Hello, it's 6 vs 1 and you make it 7 vs 1? The hell? Towards the end, I was lucky enough to score an assist on him with my SMG. Almost killed me while I was laughing my butt off at him trying to hack the Terminal at the last few seconds of the match. Our team scored an amazing two kills and zero deaths. I was so proud. lol, thats hilarious
Heimo Vesa Rautaleijona Top Men. 30	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:13:00 - [8] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: I was in a proto squad last night and we had a nice match of "catch the mythical intruder." We spent the match frolicking the match away, shooting each other, because it placed our whole squad against one guy. Then, another guy joined, and it added him to OUR SIDE. Hello, it's 6 vs 1 and you make it 7 vs 1? The hell? Towards the end, I was lucky enough to score an assist on him with my SMG. Almost killed me while I was laughing my butt off at him trying to hack the Terminal at the last few seconds of the match. Our team scored an amazing two kills and zero deaths. I was so proud. And I thought that game I played last night was bad .. 7 vs 3. If I remember correctly our "team" (I was being a lone wolf this time) scored ~29 kills and 1 death
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 709	Posted - 2013.10.16 11:17:00 - [9] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: lol, thats hilarious My squad thought so too. Heimo Vesa wrote: And I thought that game I played last night was bad .. 7 vs 3. If I remember correctly our "team" (I was being a lone wolf this time) scored ~29 kills and 1 death Actually, our team suffered one death. The leader put a defend commission on a member calling in a LAV. Seconds later, the drunken RDV pilot dropped the LAV on him and squashed him, along with all his proto gear. -_-
Rei Shepard Spectre II 682	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:14:00 - [10] - Quote Kasote Denzara wrote: Take a break. Armored Core V: Verdict Day can be pretty beastly. Its been since the PS2 or PS1(dont remember) days that ive played Armored Core though ill check out some trailers.

Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1102	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:42:00 - [11] - Quote Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 683	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:48:00 - [12] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 713	Posted - 2013.10.16 12:55:00 - [13] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD
Rei Shepard Spectre II 684	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:01:00 - [14] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD It was just a random number to make the example with.
Vrain Matari ZionTCD 1102	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:08:00 - [15] - Quote Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD I think the bulk of that protogear is being paid for with PC income, so what we get in pubs are the most experienced squads running top-end gear, and they just don't have to care about ISK losses. The squad experience is almost certainly a bigger contributor to the stomping than the gear. The prevalence of protogear is basically the most obvious symptom of a deeper disease. But thinking about this situation is actually a fantastic opportunity to prepare for DUST's future: these disparities in wealth and income are going to be grossly magnified when we connect to EVE. These problems we are discussing need tobe solved with that in mind. The punch line is that gamemodes and matchmaking need to be able to accommodate a significant portion of the playerbase who have basically unlimited wealth. This is our chance to get that right before thing get really messy.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 714	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:16:00 - [16] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD I think the bulk of that protogear is being paid for with PC income, so what we get in pubs are the most experienced squads running top-end gear, and they just don't have to care about ISK losses. The squad experience is almost certainly a bigger contributor to the stomping than the gear. The prevalence of protogear is basically the most obvious symptom of a deeper disease. But thinking about this situation is actually a fantastic opportunity to prepare for DUST's future: these disparities in wealth and income are going to be grossly magnified when we connect to EVE. These problems we are discussing need to be solved with that in mind. The punch line is that gamemodes and matchmaking need to be able to accommodate a significant portion of the playerbase who have basically unlimited wealth. This is our chance to get that right before things get really messy. Well, luckily, the SP costs still bar a significant portion of the populace from using full proto fits. Those that can, often have built up enough ISK over their careers that they go proto all the time already. In competitive, you basically have to go full proto and in pubs, there's little risk in going full proto.
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 871	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:22:00 - [17] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD It was just a random number to make the example with. I have seen you go 30 and 0 for many matches so if you die ZERO times it costs YOU zero ISK. Unlike no skill saps like me that run militia most times but then I am at 800 million ISK just from pubs. If I run advanced I die two to three times per match but still make a profit.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 686	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:25:00 - [18] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD I think the bulk of that protogear is being paid for with PC income, so what we get in pubs are the most experienced squads running top-end gear, and they just don't have to care about ISK losses. The squad experience is almost certainly a bigger contributor to the stomping than the gear. The prevalence of protogear is basically the most obvious symptom of a deeper disease. But thinking about this situation is actually a fantastic opportunity to prepare for DUST's future: these disparities in wealth and income are going to be grossly magnified when we connect to EVE. These problems we are discussing need to be solved with that in mind. The punch line is that gamemodes and matchmaking need to be able to accommodate a significant portion of the playerbase who have basically unlimited wealth. This is our chance to get that right before things get really messy. There really needs to be something added to fix the matchmaking, I run proto 24/7 and i got 260m ISK left and ive been running proto since i got it 2 months after launch, there is no need for me to run anything else, i got roughly 2500 (500m Isk) proto deaths without a single revive (because i run solo) and i could care less, i would like to care though...
Rei Shepard Spectre II 687	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:37:00 - [19] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD It was just a random number to make the example with. I have seen you go 30 and 0 for many matches so if you die ZERO times it costs YOU zero ISK. Unlike no skill saps like me that run militia most times but then I am at 800 million ISK just from pubs. If I run advanced I die two to three times per match but still make a profit. True, cant say that i am a easy nut to crack in my proto-suit, but if you have to commit a Max value to the battle and i put in 200k isk for one suit and die on impact i am done in that game.(this brings with other problems though, but they could be fixed), but then you get an overal picture of how much ISK(Equipment) people are willing to bring to the fight as a measure of how bad its gonna be. 1 guy puts in Free suits only, other guy commits 20m of Tanks then the Militia guy is prolly outclassed in this fight and added to another game. Damn, thats a nice amount of ISK you got there :), ive tried running advanced, but i get paired to much against stacked teams with 15 cluelessBerries and really need it to compete against 12 other Proto-Suits on the field. Edit: That said, dust would be allot mor interesting if Proto-Cakes are seen once in a couple of fights or during PC, not 6-10 in a pubmatch...
Grand Master Retsof Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2013.10.16 13:54:00 - [20] - Quote my last match, 3 days ago, was my team and i getting just crushed and i didnt know why until i saw the board at end of match. My side: me at first, a name i've seen before in 2nd, then 14 newbies.. other side: 12...12 ! players from the same corp ! and 4 newbs... in a pub match Domination...they prob were on corp chat laughing their butts off turned game off, went to Gamestop, been NBA2K'ing ever since...

Rei Shepard Spectre II 687	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:01:00 - [21] - Quote Grand Master Retsof wrote: my last match, 3 days ago, was my team and i getting just crushed and i didnt know why until i saw the board at end of match. My side: me at first, a name i've seen before in 2nd, then 14 newbies.. other side: 12...12 ! players from the same corp ! and 4 newbs... in a pub match Domination...they prob were on corp chat laughing their butts off turned game off, went to Gamestop, been NBA2K'ing ever since... Yeah, bluedots are going of the field faster then they can respawn, i know the feeling, at least i was able to shut them all up on their voice server, i wonder what the squad was talking about when i took out 4 of them (all Protos) then 2 flanked me, took out another then i was down to 3 Armor and no Shields, Ducked into an alcove forcing the guy to break his cover then sprinting out jumping once to throw his aim off and i killed him with a shot to the noggin in midair...almost felt like i did some APB R Jump Sniping here lol His name was _____________-Yu, at least these guys werent feeling very happy :p
Banning Hammer Tal-Romon Legion Amarr Empire 1810	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:02:00 - [22] - Quote Grand Master Retsof wrote: my last match, 3 days ago, was my team and i getting just crushed and i didnt know why until i saw the board at end of match. My side: me at first, a name i've seen before in 2nd, then 14 newbies.. other side: 12...12 ! players from the same corp ! and 4 newbs... in a pub match Domination...they prob were on corp chat laughing their butts off turned game off, went to Gamestop, been NBA2K'ing ever since... NBA2K ? Rubbish .. I thinking about getting F1 2013, i heard is one of the best ones yet.
Grand Master Retsof Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 7	Posted - 2013.10.16 14:41:00 - [23] - Quote thought about that Mr. Hammer, but ima wait for Gran Turismo for my racing fix...
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 727	Posted - 2013.10.17 19:43:00 - [24] - Quote I thought 7 versus 1 was bad. Well, yesterday I played a 8 vs 0. Yes, no enemies, AT ALL. It started as a 7 vs 1. I called out a Tank, drove it to the middle of the field, got out and placed an Uplink. My squadmate hops into the driver's seat and drives it forwards. Turns out the single enemy in the match has a Forge. Blows up the tank that was stolen from me and leaves the match, just as another guy enters, making it a 8 vs 0. Everyone made money except me, because I had my tank stolen by a squadmate and then destroyed by the enemy's parting shots. Fail.
Rei Shepard Spectre II 695	Posted - 2013.10.17 22:24:00 - [25] - Quote Today matchmaking was pretty fine .... But lol....this was new ... I ....load into a game solo, spot a team of 6 that ive come across some more times, all proto-cakes ..seeing each time it didnt go so swell for these guys and i mean barely all six of em 1:1 KDR.....they all drop from the game.... I look to my side just me and 15 Failberries..../dafuq... Ohwell ....one must have disconnected i guess or i dunno went afk ....and they all left because of it... Few games in, i join a game in progress and spot mah buddies...."oh Hai guys" ...i perforate one of em ....aaand they all drop from the game.... Seriously 6 guys dropping ....against 1 lone wolf, i know some perform a drop out because they know they cant win against stacked team, but 6 man squads dropping if they see a half decent player ? Anyone have that happen lol?
Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 221	Posted - 2013.10.17 22:33:00 - [26] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: after a week of not being able to Dust at all lol "I no dust Buster anymore!"
BARDAS DUST University Ivy League 676	Posted - 2013.10.17 23:06:00 - [27] - Quote I feel ya OP. Similar events happened to me last night. 4 matches of the same 16 vs 5 I kept quitting because I don't like unbalanced matches and the matchmaker kept putting me into it over and over. 3 matches of 3/4th done pubstomps. Finally found a decent match after AN HOUR and then it was time to quit. Overall, the matchmaking system needs serious work still.
Lucrezia LeGrand Delta Enterprise 89	Posted - 2013.10.17 23:38:00 - [28] - Quote lol. I kind of like matches like that. One time I was alone against a whole squad and two tanks. After dying a bunch of times I just went as a scout with profile dampners and spent the rest of the match hacking. I even got 1 kill. I refused to quit and made out with tons of isk. Second time I was on a team of maybe 7 or 8 against 1 guy. He dropped out after we killed him twice. What's funny is we almost lost the match because I was riding in a dropship and the pilot bailed out without warning me. So we crashed into a tower. One more death and we would have tied, and a third means we would have lost. lol.
howard sanchez expert intervention Caldari State 782	Posted - 2013.10.18 00:24:00 - [29] - Quote Vrain Matari wrote: Borne Velvalor wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Vrain Matari wrote: Getting dropped into end-of-match, unbalanced matches(experienced squads vs. singles), or partially empty matches is prolly the new candidate for being the largest single factor detracting from the NPE. Until our server population numbers rise i'm not sure there's an easy answer. There's so much proto in pubs now that the job of the matchmaker is essentially impossible, imo. Tbh, i'm amazed it does as well as it does. About those Proto matches... Maybe they should let us input the value of our equipemt that we would like to commit to the battle, like say i comit 2m ISK to the battle and when i die 10 times in a 150k fit, am left with a maxium of 500k isk left to comit, so i either continue with 3 proto suits or swap to 10 advanced suits. And then Scotty matches ISK Commited vs ISK from the opposing team. Well, if someone's losing 2m a battle in proto gear, they shouldn't be running proto gear. I don't die that often in STD gear. xD I think the bulk of that protogear is being paid for with PC income, so what we get in pubs are the most experienced squads running top-end gear, and they just don't have to care about ISK losses. The squad experience is almost certainly a bigger contributor to the stomping than the gear. The prevalence of protogear is basically the most obvious symptom of a deeper disease. But thinking about this situation is actually a fantastic opportunity to prepare for DUST's future: these disparities in wealth and income are going to be grossly magnified when we connect to EVE. These problems we are discussing need to be solved with that in mind. The punch line is that gamemodes and matchmaking need to be able to accommodate a significant portion of the playerbase who have basically unlimited wealth. This is our chance to get that right before things get really messy. Geez Vrain, good post and good thoughts. It makes me wonder, with this change to clone prices that FoxFour just announced, how big is this problem, the Planetary Conquest Isk pipeline, for Dust? If every PC backed proto stomping squad is actually bleeding isk then shutting off that Isk feed will Eventually result in a change of gear levels (presumably) once these players can't afford the hi-end stuff in pub matches. A player population with enough wealth scarcity might make for more even matchmaking, if gear started to be used in a more fiscally responsible way. Wow, if this were true then allowing so much wealth disparity into what is still a very juvenille economy seems pretty shortsighted.


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