Yeah because now instead of being just defenseless when they have a rep tool out they would then be defenseless (REs and grenades aside) any time they want to bring a repair tool to a match. Seems really smart.

Where's the downvote button?

Where's the downvote button?

Before everyone in here loses their s***, hear me out.

In EVE, Logistics ships are a feared thing. A single logistics pilot can keep a friendly ship alive even through an onslaught of tens (or even hundreds) of enemies firing at it. This makes logistics valuable, and forces enemies to break up logistics chains to win engagements. Right now in DUST logistics is helpful, but the piddly 120 HPS repair rate of a Proto repair tool can't even keep a person alive against a Militia SMG hitting them from 50m. But what if they could?

My suggestion: Make Remote Repairers (IE: Repair Tools) use a Light or Sidearm weapon slot and increase their HPS accordingly.

A "Sidearm" Remote Repairer should put out a little more than the repair tool does now (100 - 200 HPS). It's a support tool that can get a person back to full health quickly after a fight but won't keep them alive for long while under fire.

A "Light Weapon" Remote Repairer should put out roughly the same HPS as an AR's DPS. (400 - 600 HPS). It should be able to keep a person alive while they are under fire. This makes logistics very key assets, and high priority targets, in a battle.

To balance these new beastly repairers they shouldn't be able to run indefinitely like current Repair Tools. I propose giving them power (until the time CCP finally gives us capacitors on our dropsuits). 100 power total, recharging constantly at 5 PPS. The Repair Tool uses 10 PPS. So you can go from full charge to empty in 18 seconds. Long enough to keep a buddy alive during a long firefight but short enough to keep it balanced and in check.

Another balance possibility: EMP grenades / Orbitals also knock out Repairer power. Cap warfare = win.

What this does for us:

1. Makes Logistics beasts at what they do; keeping you alive.
2. Keeps Logistics specialized at either killing or repping people. (Like EVE logistics)
3. Mimics the battle doctrines / reliance on logistics of the New Eden empires.
4. Free's up an equipment slot.
5. CCP can offer increased WP rewards for repairing.
6. It's a big difference from most other shooters.

Now that you've heard me out feel free to rage.

Would you rather be defenseless with a 90 HPS Repair Tool (and thus unable to keep your squad mates alive while their being shot) or defenseless with a 500 HPS Repair Tool (and thus able to keep your squad mates alive while their wrecking face)..?

Or they could always bring an AR + Sidearm Repair Tool if they wanted.

Making the Repair tool fit a light weapon slot would just be the final nail in the Rep Tool coffin. Often times, the best band aids are a few extra bullets down range to either eliminate, suppress or chase off the red dots. Then you pull out the ol' Repper. Guardian'ing doesn't work as well since my heavy mates seem to get headshot too often while I'm repping them, in addition to simply not being able to match the DPS of more than two or three concentrated AR fire.

Logi Cruiser Ships in Eve can exist because the gameplay is much more strategic and methodical, you have many more options with a ship in Eve than a Merc in Dust. In Dust the pace and gameplay is not methodical and the Repair Tool has too many weaknesses to be considered as a viable alternative to even a Militia AR. Even with a buff to Reps per sec, I can't see it as viable unless it also protected the user in some way, which would then be a more or less permeant leash and a distraction.

-- snip -- I like where the OP is going with his idea though. People are starting to realize that logistics as a role is broken enough -- snip --

I'm sorry, but I hate you if you're serious.

Before everyone in here loses their s***, hear me out.

In EVE, Logistics ships are a feared thing. A single logistics pilot can keep a friendly ship alive even through an onslaught of tens (or even hundreds) of enemies firing at it. This makes logistics valuable, and forces enemies to break up logistics chains to win engagements. Right now in DUST logistics is helpful, but the piddly 120 HPS repair rate of a Proto repair tool can't even keep a person alive against a Militia SMG hitting them from 50m. But what if they could?

My suggestion: Make Remote Repairers (IE: Repair Tools) use a Light or Sidearm weapon slot and increase their HPS accordingly.

A "Sidearm" Remote Repairer should put out a little more than the repair tool does now (100 - 200 HPS). It's a support tool that can get a person back to full health quickly after a fight but won't keep them alive for long while under fire.

A "Light Weapon" Remote Repairer should put out roughly the same HPS as an AR's DPS. (400 - 600 HPS). It should be able to keep a person alive while they are under fire. This makes logistics very key assets, and high priority targets, in a battle.

To balance these new beastly repairers they shouldn't be able to run indefinitely like current Repair Tools. I propose giving them power (until the time CCP finally gives us capacitors on our dropsuits). 100 power total, recharging constantly at 5 PPS. The Repair Tool uses 10 PPS. So you can go from full charge to empty in 18 seconds. Long enough to keep a buddy alive during a long firefight but short enough to keep it balanced and in check.

Another balance possibility: EMP grenades / Orbitals also knock out Repairer power. Cap warfare = win.

What this does for us:

1. Makes Logistics beasts at what they do; keeping you alive.
2. Keeps Logistics specialized at either killing or repping people. (Like EVE logistics)
3. Mimics the battle doctrines / reliance on logistics of the New Eden empires.
4. Free's up an equipment slot.
5. CCP can offer increased WP rewards for repairing.
6. It's a big difference from most other shooters.

Now that you've heard me out feel free to rage.

+1. it's not such a bad dynamic as to break the game but gives another approach. this will make the amarr logi the logi of choice for players though because they can run either tool and still have a weapon. and basically now have 4 equipment items.

the down side is the logi chain. someone posted here about just killing the logi to make the assault/heavy vulnerable again. well we do that now. if i see that nice yellow beam i immediately disengage and flank the logi. do the same with a chain and you have a nice easy chain of kills all the way to the top. still broken though.

You just brought up a point that I forgot (and is probably why this idea is getting so much hate). All Logi suits should get their sidearm slot back.

There, more choices for Logis than exists now! Sorry I play an Amarr Logi alt and forgot the other suits don't have sidearms.

So...

- Want to run around with a bunch of equipment but f*** healing? You can do that: (AR + sidearm)
- Want to run around with an AR spot healing your teammates? You can do that (AR + sidearm RT)
- Want to run around with a Repair Tool keeping your teammates alive during a hail of plasma fire, but still have something in case your caught unawares? You can do that: (light RT + sidearm)
- Want to be a repairing monster where when you run out of power on the first RT you can swap to a backup? You can do that: (light RT + sidearm RT)

More choices. This is a buff to Logistics, if all suits get their sidearm slot back then, if nothing else, you can just throw a sidearm RT in it (which would heal for more than the current RT) and still wreck face with your AR.

Or add a repair tool slot on logi suits next to the weapon slots.

So basically you want to simultaneously buff and slightly gimp Logi's?

Give all Logi's a sideaRm? That sounds like an FU to assaults. You basically are making a Assualy suit with 4 equipment slots. And with a native armor repair bonus? That's deadly.

And then you assume that all Logi's will use the sidearm slot for triage and the repair tool. (Which me and most Logi's wouldn't do).

The Logistics Class has no sidearm for a reason.

And before anyone startes saying FU, no I am not an assualt, I'm a logistics, and no I don't think Logistics needs to be nerfed

Another unintended consequence is that Heavy suits would be able to equip repair tools, where previously they were unable to do so.