have... have you ever actually used a vizam laser rifle?

have... have you ever actually used a viziam laser rifle?

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Ok take your viziam, add 2 complex dmg mods... and if you still dont get it... hope for a respec

Give me the same and i would be very very happy

The viziam just isn't worth using just to be able to fire for a few more seconds, plus the extra damage that you would see would only be seen nearing the end of your clip and by that time that person would have already been dead. Its better to save the fitting req and isk and just get a much better sidearm since that is the laser's greatest weakness.

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Ok take your viziam, add 2 complex dmg mods... and if you still dont get it... hope for a respec

Give me the same and i would be very very happy

The damage would literally be the same except for when nearing the overheat, but by then you either have to pull out of that engagement because you've taken too much damage yourself, your target has either fled or closed the gap between him and you, or your target is already dead cause the majority of dust players shield tank for the most part.

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Ok take your viziam, add 2 complex dmg mods... and if you still dont get it... hope for a respec

Give me the same and i would be very very happy

The damage would literally be the same except for when nearing the overheat, but by then you either have to pull out of that engagement because you've taken too much damage yourself, your target has either fled or closed the gap between him and you, or your target is already dead cause the majority of dust players shield tank for the most part.

Chrome. Using damage mods on the viziam or LR don't make a difference because both weapons have the same damage out-put. Hes complaining that the ONLY difference between the standard LR and proto LR is that at lvl 5 amar one overheats about 1-2 seconds faster then the other with a price difference of around 30X less then the one that heats up slower.


Your paying a premium price for an advantage that many would hardly consider a worth while advantage.


I would consider using the ELM over the viziam just because the difference in heat build up is hardly anything, but at least you get to fit more onto your proto suits. and if you remember me from chromosome chrome, then you should understand what im saying actually has some weight under because im somewhat of a laser specialist.......


Personally im a perfectionist so if I can fit the viziam onto my proto amar suit, then im going to do it. But most people can get away with using an ELM or even the LR, and if you do it right you could be even more potent on the battlefield then a viziam user anyway. So really it all comes down to how savy people are with their suits and fittings.

But overall I agree witht he OP, I would like there to be more of a difference, like increased range for example! Or possibly a faster heat cool down! Or less feedback damage! One of those three anyway.......

Chrome. Using damage mods on the viziam or LR don't make a difference because both weapons have the same damage out-put. Hes complaining that the ONLY difference between the standard LR and proto LR is that at lvl 5 amar one overheats about 1-2 seconds faster then the other with a price difference of around 30X less then the one that heats up slower.


Your paying a premium price for an advantage that many would hardly consider a worth while advantage.


I would consider using the ELM over the viziam just because the difference in heat build up is hardly anything, but at least you get to fit more onto your proto suits. and if you remember me from chromosome chrome, then you should understand what im saying actually has some weight under because im somewhat of a laser specialist.......


Personally im a perfectionist so if I can fit the viziam onto my proto amar suit, then im going to do it. But most people can get away with using an ELM or even the LR, and if you do it right you could be even more potent on the battlefield then a viziam user anyway. So really it all comes down to how savy people are with their suits and fittings.

But overall I agree witht he OP, I would like there to be more of a difference, like increased range for example! Or possibly a faster heat cool down! Or less feedback damage! One of those three anyway.......

Long time laser rifle user and I disagree, there is no issue. The reduced heat build up as you move up the tiers is worth every bit of CPU, PG, ISK, and feedback damage they throw at it.

has nothing to do with it not being a usable weapon the laser is excellent my fav weapon in closed beta always has been. the only time it was unusable was when they put iron sights on it. the laser is to long range to be usable with iron sights.

the real issue lies right here

stnd laser rifle--------adv elm laser------------proto viziam
17 dmg----------------17dmg ---------------------- 17dmg
53.73 accuracy------53.73 accuracy ---------53.73 accuracy
clip 100 ---------------clip 100 -------------------clip 100
max ammo 500-----max ammo 500 ----------max ammo 500
reload 4s-------------reload 4s -----------------reload 4s
heat build 21--------heat build19.95------------heat build 18.90
cool down 5s ------- cool down 5s ------------cool down 5s
seize 7s -------------- seize 7s ----------------seize 7s
feedback 150 -------feedback 202.5-----------feedback 225

fitting req -----------fitting req ----------------- fitting req
53/5 ---------------- 72/8 ----------------------------92/10
cost 1,500isk ------cost10,770----------------cost47,220
the only improvement through higher gear is heat build and only by 2.1

where as feedback is is huge
and the fitting req are almost double all around for proto

no sane gamer that desired to use the LR would ever use any rifle other than the laser rifle stnd skilled on the proto amarian ccp

so neg traits that get worse as you skill are
feedback
fitting req
cost ..is that really worth 2.1 heat cost difference ? does anyone think it is? personally i think playing sober would improve my laser gun game more than using a proto over stnd LR lol

It's 6 rounds. You realise that right? It's probably less than half a second. The Amarr assault suit can make a regular laser rifle better than the Viziam at 2 levels in.
Imagine if the Gallente assault suit turned your Exile into something better than a Duvolle before you even got it to Adv level. It would either mean that the suit was OP, or the Duvolle wasn't worth it.

I don't want to see the damage increased, I'd rather see the range on the standard reduced, and the Viziam's increased. At least then there would be an incentive to use it specifically to boost it's area of advantage.

The viziam just isn't worth using just to be able to fire for a few more seconds, plus the extra damage that you would see would only be seen nearing the end of your clip and by that time that person would have already been dead. Its better to save the fitting req and isk and just get a much better sidearm since that is the laser's greatest weakness.

All the laser rifles tiers are good and the insignificance damage differences between them isn't that big a deal(look at shotguns) if you want to be most cost effetive when investing SP,As for feedback,i think its called for and isnt a really big deal either since i get the impression the rifles isnt meant for mid suits but for heavy suits that can take the impact haveing such high shields by default plus more room for damage mods.The only thing i like to see thats significant beween teirs is more optimal range to apply it's damage between them(if they dont do that already)

Ok i was going to go on a nice long rant about how due to how the dmg ramps up and with amarr assault suit 5, prof 5 and complex dmg mods you get a marked improvement with the visam....

BUT i ran the numbers... and now i feel sheepish... just a little over 0.5 heat buildup differance between each of them... not even worth the button pushing to say how much dmg that equates too...

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i feel sad now... back to ELM's it is

i would agree to the stnd having shorter range and viziam longer than what they currently have..but i would also like faster cooldown on the viziam