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Mortedeamor
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:34:00 -
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has nothing to do with it not being a usable weapon the laser is excellent my fav weapon in closed beta always has been witth only time it was unusable was when they put iron sights on it. the laser is to long range to be usable with iron sights.
the real issue lies right here
stnd laser rifle adv elm laser proto viziam 17 dmg 17dmg 17dmg 53.73 accuracy 53.73 accuracy 53.73 accuracy clip 100 clip 100 clip 100 max ammo 500 max ammo 500 max ammo 500 reload 4s reload 4s reload 4s heat build 21 heat build19.95 heat build 18.90 cool down 5s cool down 5s cool down 5s seize 7s seize 7s seize 7s feedback 150 feedback 202.5 feedback 225
fitting req fitting req fitting req 53/5 72/8 92/10 cost 1,500isk cost10,770 cost47,220 the only improvement through higher gear is heat build and only by 2.1
where as feedback is is huge and the fitting req are almost double all around for proto
no sane gamer that desired to use the LR would ever use any rifle other than the laser rifle stnd skilled on the proto amarian ccp
so neg traits that get worse as you skill are feedback fitting req cost ..is that really worth 2.1 heat cost difference ? does anyone think it is? personally i think playing sober would improve my laser gun game more than using a proto over stnd LR lol |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:39:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:have... have you ever actually used a vizam laser rifle? yes in closed beta and now the difference is not worth the negative trait they are just not currently i am running sntd laser on adv amarian assault with adv smg..and i can tell ya now it will be even better on proto..i have the viziam already it sucks there is practically no difference
and i am have prof 3 on my laser
been using it for all of dust except when they gave it iron sights
lr and md and smg have always been my logi's main weapons |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:44:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:...
Ok take your viziam, add 2 complex dmg mods... and if you still dont get it... hope for a respec
Give me the same and i would be very very happy lol still not worth it 2 dmg mods does the exact same thing to the laser they have the same dmg rating..and personally with the stnd it is easier to put it to burn up mode. the difference in heat build up is not worth the fitting pg and cpu you save from running stnd.
let alone the over heat..not that i worry about that i rarely over heat |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:45:00 -
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Echoist wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:have... have you ever actually used a viziam laser rifle? The viziam just isn't worth using just to be able to fire for a few more seconds, plus the extra damage that you would see would only be seen nearing the end of your clip and by that time that person would have already been dead. Its better to save the fitting req and isk and just get a much better sidearm since that is the laser's greatest weakness. my point exactly proto amarian assault proto smg std laser is the way to go |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:47:00 -
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the skills are worth 10x more than the weapon you unlock lol |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 11:57:00 -
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Echoist wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:...
Ok take your viziam, add 2 complex dmg mods... and if you still dont get it... hope for a respec
Give me the same and i would be very very happy The damage would literally be the same except for when nearing the overheat, but by then you either have to pull out of that engagement because you've taken too much damage yourself, your target has either fled or closed the gap between him and you, or your target is already dead cause the majority of dust players shield tank for the most part. not for me lol my over heat does 150 lol and i tend to strafe triage hives :) and i prefer to close the gap and pull out that proto smg flux combo |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 14:36:00 -
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sorry ccp but im not an eve fan girl there needs to be more than just "better looking" for me to use it with those drawbacks |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 16:56:00 -
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Marston VC wrote:ChromeBreaker wrote:...
Ok take your viziam, add 2 complex dmg mods... and if you still dont get it... hope for a respec
Give me the same and i would be very very happy Chrome. Using damage mods on the viziam or LR don't make a difference because both weapons have the same damage out-put. Hes complaining that the ONLY difference between the standard LR and proto LR is that at lvl 5 amar one overheats about 1-2 seconds faster then the other with a price difference of around 30X less then the one that heats up slower. Your paying a premium price for an advantage that many would hardly consider a worth while advantage. I would consider using the ELM over the viziam just because the difference in heat build up is hardly anything, but at least you get to fit more onto your proto suits. and if you remember me from chromosome chrome, then you should understand what im saying actually has some weight under because im somewhat of a laser specialist....... Personally im a perfectionist so if I can fit the viziam onto my proto amar suit, then im going to do it. But most people can get away with using an ELM or even the LR, and if you do it right you could be even more potent on the battlefield then a viziam user anyway. So really it all comes down to how savy people are with their suits and fittings. But overall I agree witht he OP, I would like there to be more of a difference, like increased range for example! Or possibly a faster heat cool down! Or less feedback damage! One of those three anyway....... increased range scaled through the lvls of lr + speedier cooldown ...would make it worth it over heat is hardly an issue if you know how to use lr..good ideas. ..with the lr and a few dmg mods..i am sure i can mak a much better tank than with trying to fit the viziam..if they ever do this its viziam all the way +1 |
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Posted - 2013.10.14 18:06:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:Long time laser rifle user and I disagree, there is no issue. The reduced heat build up as you move up the tiers is worth every bit of CPU, PG, ISK, and feedback damage they throw at it. It's 6 rounds. You realise that right? It's probably less than half a second. The Amarr assault suit can make a regular laser rifle better than the Viziam at 2 levels in. Imagine if the Gallente assault suit turned your Exile into something better than a Duvolle before you even got it to Adv level. It would either mean that the suit was OP, or the Duvolle wasn't worth it. I don't want to see the damage increased, I'd rather see the range on the standard reduced, and the Viziam's increased. At least then there would be an incentive to use it specifically to boost it's area of advantage. i would agree to the stnd having shorter range and viziam longer than what they currently have..but i would also like faster cooldown on the viziam |
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Posted - 2013.10.15 09:48:00 -
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ChromeBreaker wrote:Ok i was going to go on a nice long rant about how due to how the dmg ramps up and with amarr assault suit 5, prof 5 and complex dmg mods you get a marked improvement with the visam.... BUT i ran the numbers... and now i feel sheepish... just a little over 0.5 heat buildup differance between each of them... not even worth the button pushing to say how much dmg that equates too... ... i feel sad now... back to ELM's it is join the rage stb yes that proto suit is super sexy with the elm..maybe one day they will give us a reason to put our viziam on it |
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:20:00 -
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maybe you have to reload that often but i use my laser a bit differently than most people my playstyle is a little weird and requires me to reload less |
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Posted - 2013.10.15 10:34:00 -
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either faster cooldown or larger clip either would be good really i suppose |
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