DUST Search - It should be better to ban officer guns in pubs/FW

Needless Sacermendor wrote:

Eyemakerwet wrote:

Iron Wolf Saber wrote:

Mejt0 wrote:

Okay. Thanks for opinions.
Soo they might can use them. We can do it in other way. Dont know why CCP dont separate newbies from normal/vets. They could learn more when fighting more time with guys on same skill level (not sp). Im talking about making more reqiurment WP to play like other. Now academy have 1,2k which is few games for them. They should add 10-15k to limit. How about it?

based on the academy of people who don't know how to play its more like 20 matches.

Id say academy for at least 50k wp and give thrm some game mode options instead of domination over and over again

This ... and some default help channels where vets can hang out and help out noobs with advice and answers ... someone made a really good thread about this a while ago ... also suggesting things like incentives for vets to school noobs by leading a noob only squad and themselves being restricted in gear ... something like basic gear with a nullifier on skill point affects so all those level 5's don't count ... but you'd be rewarded with a couple hundred AUR per match, or some nice isk payouts from the NPC corps or something.

Edit : by default help channels I mean ones that are open when they log in ... maybe even channels they can't leave till they're out of acadamy, or at the very least use the tutorials to push them into a list of various channels to choose from, like a logistics help channel, or a HAV help channel, or a scout help channel etc.

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Mejt0 Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 45	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:50:00 - [1] - Quote It should. They are really rare, but at same time much more effective than market ones. They are great for PC, gives much adventage, but in pubs and FW, they do terror. Thales,balac and Gastun these 3 do most terror. -Thales in my opinion are the only what they should use (1-2shoots kill like in real) -balac is jack of all trades. It stats is like from ASR but have more rof + AR accuracy. -Gastun beast in dmg and speed. Destroying vehs in seconds and splash infiantry. Now what im saying. If guy eqiup balac he can 1v1 very easy (just some aim) When in squad, he will do insane dmg while in cover. Too powerful for starting/learning ppl (up to few milions sp) Thale one shoot STD, and most ADV suits. Just easy farm with no death. Gastun makes game unplayable for vehs. If he capture tower with logi, you will even dont come near point till OB can be called. It really should be better to lock officers weapons only for PC. Think about it and discuse.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9384	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:52:00 - [2] - Quote No.
Mejt0 Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 45	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:53:00 - [3] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9384	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:54:00 - [4] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? They're not invincible.
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 93	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:56:00 - [5] - Quote Im not loosing mine to framerate drops in pc so somebody else can have them
Cosgar ParagonX 5968	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:57:00 - [6] - Quote Risk vs reward. Pulling out an officer gun in a pub match is like rolling a joint in a hookah bar.
Mejt0 Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 45	Posted - 2013.10.13 21:57:00 - [7] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? They're not invincible. Yes. But thers always but. Ppl with officer weapons play carefully. With team. Then theyre hard to get. If somone want to just play normal game, he dont except Vet with this kind of gun.Just my words.
A'Real Fury D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 383	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:00:00 - [8] - Quote Killed a couple of protos on Friday using balacs 1v1 while in my BPO suit. Shot them again to make sure they couldn't be revived. Rare but satisfying. Counter argument is not everybody who can use officer weapons are in PC matches or in organised corp squads for FW so instant battles maybe all they have.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 814	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:00:00 - [9] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: -- snip -- There is no current method to prevent a Merc from spawning in with whatever equipment they have available to them at the Supply Depot. This includes choosing which HAV to pub stomp in Ambush with. In fact you can enter the Neocom, edit a fit to swap out your GEK with a Balac and choose that one. We have asked for some variant on this many times. However, we have asked for it as a Battle Finder Filter option. I disagree with your request, BTW. Officer weapons are rare, quite true. However, until we can actually Sell Salvage, they are Free and can turn a very expensive fit into a reasonable one. I have many Officer weapons and the ones I am skilled into I will use when they are the best choice for the situation. Like when I decide that Red Supply Depot has to go; Gaston's Forge Gun will take it out in 9 shots. That is one and a half clips in about 20 seconds. And I have taken a Balac to a Duvolle wielding Red that was holding off my squad. Poof, the roof was clear in one clip.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1789	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:02:00 - [10] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? They're not invincible. Yes. But thers always but. Ppl with officer weapons play carefully. With team. Then theyre hard to get. If somone want to just play normal game, he dont except Vet with this kind of gun.Just my words. So basically you're unhappy that someone can maximise rewards whilst minimising risk. This is the game we play. When I see officer gear in a match I fling militia fits at it like a madman. They probably love all the kills it gets them, but they'll miss that gun when I drop in off a rooftop in a soma.

True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2933	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:03:00 - [11] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: It should. They are really rare, but at same time much more effective than market ones. They are great for PC, gives much adventage, but in pubs and FW, they do terror. Thales,balac and Gastun these 3 do most terror. -Thales in my opinion are the only what they should use (1-2shoots kill like in real) -balac is jack of all trades. It stats is like from ASR but have more rof + AR accuracy. -Gastun beast in dmg and speed. Destroying vehs in seconds and splash infiantry. Now what im saying. If guy eqiup balac he can 1v1 very easy (just some aim) When in squad, he will do insane dmg while in cover. Too powerful for starting/learning ppl (up to few milions sp) Thale one shoot STD, and most ADV suits. Just easy farm with no death. Gastun makes game unplayable for vehs. If he capture tower with logi, you will even dont come near point till OB can be called. It really should be better to lock officers weapons only for PC. Think about it and discuse. Why ban Officer Gear in FW? I play it exclusively, but since I cannot get officer gear, since I play all Amarr, I couldn't use it. What does it matter if someone else decides to. They might kill me in a straight up fight, but I guarantee him my team will win the match.
Borne Velvalor BLACK-DRAGON-SOCIETY 129	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:03:00 - [12] - Quote The only problems with Officer weapons is that most offer 15% more damage than the prototype version, except the Balac. The Balac AR has 15% more damage, 15% higher RoF, 20% higher clip size and a larger range. It does almost 35% more damage per second than a Duvolle, compared to other Officer weapons that do 15%. It's a beast.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9385	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:03:00 - [13] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? They're not invincible. Yes. But thers always but. Ppl with officer weapons play carefully. With team. Then theyre hard to get. If somone want to just play normal game, he dont except Vet with this kind of gun.Just my words. Plasma Cannon, Forge Gun, Mass Driver, Grenades, Vehicle Treds, Vehicle Wheels, Vehicle Bumpers, Vehicle Turrets, Dropship landing gear, nova knives, orbital strikes, lots of bullets on dead bodies, just to be sure.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 365	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:03:00 - [14] - Quote not we are not limiting available equipment in matches. this is a bad idea. and seriously whoever has the officer equip to burn in pubs deserves to be able to burn it, **** ain't easy to come by.
Mejt0 Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 45	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:16:00 - [15] - Quote Okay. Thanks for opinions. Soo they might can use them. We can do it in other way. Dont know why CCP dont separate newbies from normal/vets. They could learn more when fighting more time with guys on same skill level (not sp). Im talking about making more reqiurment WP to play like other. Now academy have 1,2k which is few games for them. They should add 10-15k to limit. How about it?
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9386	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:18:00 - [16] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Okay. Thanks for opinions. Soo they might can use them. We can do it in other way. Dont know why CCP dont separate newbies from normal/vets. They could learn more when fighting more time with guys on same skill level (not sp). Im talking about making more reqiurment WP to play like other. Now academy have 1,2k which is few games for them. They should add 10-15k to limit. How about it? based on the academy of people who don't know how to play its more like 20 matches.
Eyemakerwet R 0 N 1 N 93	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:29:00 - [17] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Okay. Thanks for opinions. Soo they might can use them. We can do it in other way. Dont know why CCP dont separate newbies from normal/vets. They could learn more when fighting more time with guys on same skill level (not sp). Im talking about making more reqiurment WP to play like other. Now academy have 1,2k which is few games for them. They should add 10-15k to limit. How about it? based on the academy of people who don't know how to play its more like 20 matches. Id say academy for at least 50k wp and give thrm some game mode options instead of domination over and over again
hamual jackson OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 36	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:33:00 - [18] - Quote The academy is a joke, all it does is delay the pub stomp. They come out with minimum useful advice and basic weapons in a game where equipment effects the game by 80% or more. The op is right, i have 2 accounts over 12 mil so im not a new dusty complaining but there does need to be a separation from vets to new are at least a place for vet or new player only. I been in plenty of worth less games where my team redlines the randoms (NPC Corps) 2-3 min into the game, which makes for a boring game.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 9386	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:47:00 - [19] - Quote hamual jackson wrote: The academy is a joke, all it does is delay the pub stomp. They come out with minimum useful advice and basic weapons in a game where equipment effects the game by 80% or more. The op is right, i have 2 accounts over 12 mil so im not a new dusty complaining but there does need to be a separation from vets to new are at least a place for vet or new player only. I been in plenty of worth less games where my team redlines the randoms (NPC Corps) 2-3 min into the game, which makes for a boring game. I agree the academy is not for teaching, its for reinforcing what has been taught which isn't much so far. We need a separate 'danger room' where players can get a brush up with the game mechanics.
Needless Sacermendor Red Fox Brigade 523	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:48:00 - [20] - Quote Eyemakerwet wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Okay. Thanks for opinions. Soo they might can use them. We can do it in other way. Dont know why CCP dont separate newbies from normal/vets. They could learn more when fighting more time with guys on same skill level (not sp). Im talking about making more reqiurment WP to play like other. Now academy have 1,2k which is few games for them. They should add 10-15k to limit. How about it? based on the academy of people who don't know how to play its more like 20 matches. Id say academy for at least 50k wp and give thrm some game mode options instead of domination over and over again This ... and some default help channels where vets can hang out and help out noobs with advice and answers ... someone made a really good thread about this a while ago ... also suggesting things like incentives for vets to school noobs by leading a noob only squad and themselves being restricted in gear ... something like basic gear with a nullifier on skill point affects so all those level 5's don't count ... but you'd be rewarded with a couple hundred AUR per match, or some nice isk payouts from the NPC corps or something. Edit : by default help channels I mean ones that are open when they log in ... maybe even channels they can't leave till they're out of acadamy, or at the very least use the tutorials to push them into a list of various channels to choose from, like a logistics help channel, or a HAV help channel, or a scout help channel etc.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 169	Posted - 2013.10.13 22:59:00 - [21] - Quote Why should we? We earned those officer weapons. (They don't appear in salvage for no reason) And we also earned the SP to be able to use them. Yeah proficiency level 3 isn't a walk in the park (unless you have omegas). And using officer weapons itself is a risk because of the fact that if you lose it, it's gone. No merc pack, AUR, or ISK will change that. That is why they aren't banned in the first place. And like Iron Wolf Saber said, yeah they aren't invincible.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 169	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:03:00 - [22] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? They're not invincible. Yes. But thers always but. Ppl with officer weapons play carefully. With team. Then theyre hard to get. If somone want to just play normal game, he dont except Vet with this kind of gun.Just my words. So basically we should ban them because when we use them we are very careful and make sure that we always are near teammates to revive us? I've only seen an officer weapon in use by the enemy team once (not counting Thales). And I gaurantee you that after I blew him to bits with my freedom, he didn't use another one. This idea gets a 1 out of 5.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 169	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:05:00 - [23] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? They're not invincible. Yes. But thers always but. Ppl with officer weapons play carefully. With team. Then theyre hard to get. If somone want to just play normal game, he dont except Vet with this kind of gun.Just my words. So basically you're unhappy that someone can maximise rewards whilst minimising risk. This is the game we play. When I see officer gear in a match I fling militia fits at it like a madman. They probably love all the kills it gets them, but they'll miss that gun when I drop in off a rooftop in a soma. Yeah in this game, it is Adapt or Die
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 817	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:19:00 - [24] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: So basically you're unhappy that someone can maximise rewards whilst minimising risk. This is the game we play. When I see officer gear in a match I fling militia fits at it like a madman. They probably love all the kills it gets them, but they'll miss that gun when I drop in off a rooftop in a soma. And it is a fun fight. The Red with the Officer weapon knows you are hunting him. And if you lose the Soma, so much the better. Even if not, you know that the Red was LHAO. All of which helps set the base price of the gear once the players market opens.
21yrOld Knight Pradox One 192	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:30:00 - [25] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: It should. They are really rare, but at same time much more effective than market ones. They are great for PC, gives much adventage, but in pubs and FW, they do terror. Thales,balac and Gastun these 3 do most terror. -Thales in my opinion are the only what they should use (1-2shoots kill like in real) -balac is jack of all trades. It stats is like from ASR but have more rof + AR accuracy. -Gastun beast in dmg and speed. Destroying vehs in seconds and splash infiantry. Now what im saying. If guy eqiup balac he can 1v1 very easy (just some aim) When in squad, he will do insane dmg while in cover. Too powerful for starting/learning ppl (up to few milions sp) Thale one shoot STD, and most ADV suits. Just easy farm with no death. Gastun makes game unplayable for vehs. If he capture tower with logi, you will even dont come near point till OB can be called. It really should be better to lock officers weapons only for PC. Think about it and discuse. Is someone sad. Awww do you not like me using a thale in pub matches. Awww pooor baby
Delta 749 Kestrel Reconnaissance 2104	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:32:00 - [26] - Quote No, what would actually be better is selecting what meta you want in a fight IE matches in high sec limited to milita and standard and so on through the security levels with null sec being a free for all and with rewards scaled to match the security level
Kane Fyea DUST University Ivy League 1959	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:34:00 - [27] - Quote So you want to make it so I can't use my officer weapons. How about no.
True Adamance PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 2938	Posted - 2013.10.13 23:36:00 - [28] - Quote Delta 749 wrote: No, what would actually be better is selecting what meta you want in a fight IE matches in high sec limited to milita and standard and so on through the security levels with null sec being a free for all and with rewards scaled to match the security level That's fine for public contracts. FW is always low sec, means you can essentially bring almost anything from Frigates to Battleships, you can cyno in Capitals and more. There are no limits to FW nor should there be. I mean if Officer tanks/ Factional Tanks become a thing I will spend all of my time LP farming so I can drop them in FW matches and look bad ass.
calvin b Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 710	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:31:00 - [29] - Quote No, its a weapon. Use it you lose it, just have fun and stop worrying so much as to what is killing you and DO SOME D*** KILLING OF YOUR OWN
demonkiller 12 G.U.T.Z 272	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:47:00 - [30] - Quote no, youre much more likely to lose them in PC, pubs only

8213 Grade No.2 366	Posted - 2013.10.14 03:55:00 - [31] - Quote Except for Thale's, its not worth risking Officer Weapons in this game. They're to rare to subject to P/C Lag and Pub Bullsh *t. Proto gear isn't even worth using, and Officer Weapons can't be replaced so easily
Mejt0 Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 51	Posted - 2013.10.14 05:48:00 - [32] - Quote Needless Sacermendor wrote: Eyemakerwet wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Okay. Thanks for opinions. Soo they might can use them. We can do it in other way. Dont know why CCP dont separate newbies from normal/vets. They could learn more when fighting more time with guys on same skill level (not sp). Im talking about making more reqiurment WP to play like other. Now academy have 1,2k which is few games for them. They should add 10-15k to limit. How about it? based on the academy of people who don't know how to play its more like 20 matches. Id say academy for at least 50k wp and give thrm some game mode options instead of domination over and over again This ... and some default help channels where vets can hang out and help out noobs with advice and answers ... someone made a really good thread about this a while ago ... also suggesting things like incentives for vets to school noobs by leading a noob only squad and themselves being restricted in gear ... something like basic gear with a nullifier on skill point affects so all those level 5's don't count ... but you'd be rewarded with a couple hundred AUR per match, or some nice isk payouts from the NPC corps or something. Edit : by default help channels I mean ones that are open when they log in ... maybe even channels they can't leave till they're out of acadamy, or at the very least use the tutorials to push them into a list of various channels to choose from, like a logistics help channel, or a HAV help channel, or a scout help channel etc. Like this idea. In its way we/corporations could train ppl in many roles. Eg corp can take few good ppl and they can teach newbies about what to do, how to fit and how to spend sp at start. Maybe CCP will work on academy,or not
Ikaros V Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1	Posted - 2013.10.14 06:03:00 - [33] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: It should. They are really rare, but at same time much more effective than market ones. They are great for PC, gives much adventage, but in pubs and FW, they do terror. Thales,balac and Gastun these 3 do most terror. -Thales in my opinion are the only what they should use (1-2shoots kill like in real) -balac is jack of all trades. It stats is like from ASR but have more rof + AR accuracy. -Gastun beast in dmg and speed. Destroying vehs in seconds and splash infiantry. Now what im saying. If guy eqiup balac he can 1v1 very easy (just some aim) When in squad, he will do insane dmg while in cover. Too powerful for starting/learning ppl (up to few milions sp) Thale one shoot STD, and most ADV suits. Just easy farm with no death. Gastun makes game unplayable for vehs. If he capture tower with logi, you will even dont come near point till OB can be called. It really should be better to lock officers weapons only for PC. Think about it and discuse. No, easy ways to kill officer gear user: Militia FG., RE will work too .'Nuff Said! --- For Thales user: Militia sniper with stacked complex dmg mods will scare the **** out of them Ohh the sweet tears of kill someone with officer weapons
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster 1179	Posted - 2013.10.14 06:06:00 - [34] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: No. Any arguments? I wouldn't get a chance to kill them otherwise. Snipers and FGsnipers are tough to catch and kill, but balac's are only a matter of time...and granades.


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