I think this would curb a lot of the problems with logi suits being basically assaults with more equipment. Think about it... On most other suit setups, what's in its main (non-sidearm) weapon slot largely determines its role. A rocket launcher or forge gun means it's an AV setup; an HMG, AR, etc means it's an assault fit, laser or sniper rifle means it's long range, etc. Most everything else on the suit is based around making it more effective with whatever's in that slot. A repair tool is a logi's main tool, it's about the size of a light weapon, and it's something you point and shoot at people... Sounds like something that would go in that slot without too much difficulty.

This would also mirror the way it is in EVE. Remote repair modules take up high power slots on ships, which is where you'd ordinarily fit weapons. Logistics ships fit remote reps instead of, not in addition to, guns, because that's their main tool for performing their function on the battlefield.

With a repair tool needing to go in the light weapon slot, people using logi suits would be more likely to use them for their intended purpose. They'd still have a sidearm for defense and to make the fit "valid" (which is something I still don't agree with, but that's a topic for another thread), but if they're doing their jobs they'd be sticking with the guys with the bigger guns and keeping them alive and loaded so they can do the killing while the logibro does his logi-ing. He'd also have more equipment slots open for hives, uplinks, and injectors so he can do even more logistics work, helping his team and netting himself more WP.

Coupled with a bonus to repair tool range and/or rep amount (like on EVE's logi ships), as well as better bonuses to light weapons on assault suits, I think this would make people more prone to using logi suits for logi and assault suits for assault. I don't know about you guys, but too often I see myself get killed by a logi suit with a Duvolle AR and think "That isn't what he should be carrying!"

Thinking in terms of balancing out the suits and encouraging people to use suits more for their intended roles. What do you guys think?

With a repair tool needing to go in the light weapon slot, people using logi suits would be more likely to use them for their intended purpose. They'd still have a sidearm for defense

Only one Logistics suit has a sidearm, and that's the Amarrian variant.

Besides that flaw, I would not mind if my weapon became a repair tool if my repair tool healed as fast as an AR can deal damage.

Awful and being a medic isn't even a logistics intended role, its just one it can fill, now prepare to get trolled to fk for such a ridiculous idea.

I'm gonna give you a rough estimate on how many LOGIS are gonna be running rep tools if this would actually be put in. It'll be around mmm 120% (yeah even those who are not logis will not run it)

What you should really sit down and think about is your definition of logi a logi isn't someone forced into just one role. He isn't forced to be a medic or forced to carry a repair tool around all the time to rep your sorry behind. He's a mobile help platform sacrificing speed and offensive strength to instead be able to do other stuff and that stuff may not be keeping your gun loaded.

Logi's have to be able to defend themselves. Only the amarr logi has a sidearm so if rep tools took up a weapon slot most logis would have no offensive capabilities at all. This is war! this isn't some red cross rescue mission where people will let you treat people without shooting you!

*SLAPS OP* Any questions?

I wouldnt mind this idea if the rep tool doubled as a shield and/or armor drain when locked onto enemies lol

I have seen the op's idea batted around before, generally considering it flawed. Perhaps its more fair to say that its not the idea thats flawed, but the underlying mechanics its trying to balance. Let me give some examples as to why i think a repair tool in the light weapon slot is a bad idea.

The primary issue is that the repair tool just isn't that useful. Oh sure there are situations where you can make it shine, but I don't think it has enough use to be considered on par with light weapons. First only about half of the suits really benefit by being armor tanked (probably less since calLogi is FOTM), and second, how many people are actually running around with armor that needs repping? With the shorter TTK we have right now, people go from full to dead in a second, leaving you with only revived players to rep.

The second issue is that it makes logi vulnerable. Right now logi have a full primary weapon to defend themselves, which means when they are not picking people up, or dropping equipment, they are able to participate in point assault / defense without being a liability. You could look at other games for examples here, but Planetside 2 comes to mind. The medic there has both a primary weapon and a sidearm, along with their repper. I think any version of the logi that does not have at least a primary weapon is fundamentally flawed.

Now I wish i had my own solution to fix the logi, but every time i think about it, its as if we are trying to put a square peg into a round hole.

I'm starting to wonder if the core concept of the repair tool is flawed. With the short TTK and limited targets to use it on, i wonder if we even need the repair tool in its current form.

I personally stopped running reppers in favor of triage hives. It leaves me free to shoot back while doing aoe healing to anyone in the hives area, with the bonus of restocking ammo as well. Perhaps we might be better off trying to re-imagine the rep tool, instead of trying to balance things around it.

Really dude ??
where did you get this idea from ??The bad idea box underneath your bad idea table inside you bad idea room ??
I'm gonna give you a rough estimate on how many LOGIS are gonna be running rep tools if this would actually be put in. It'll be around mmm 120% (yeah even those who are not logis will not run it)
What you should really sit down and think about is your definition of logi a logi isn't someone forced into just one role. He isn't forced to be a medic or forced to carry a repair tool around all the time to rep your sorry behind. He's a mobile help platform sacrificing speed and offensive strength to instead be able to do other stuff and that stuff may not be keeping your gun loaded.

*SLAPS OP* Any questions?

The logi suit IS NOT A MEDIC ONLY SUIT.

Think of it as a combat engineer. It should be able to hold up in combat.

The logi suit has no sidearm is slower and has lower HP while having a bit more cpu/pg and equipment slots. The system may need a bit of tweaking, but the logi suit should not be so disadvantaged that all else equal the better player in a logi suit should be able to beat an assault.

Now if someone were to introduce the idea of a 'medic' suit that has a built in nano injector in exchange for only using sidearms (amarr logi would get 2 sidearm slots) i'd be all for it.

However the murderlogi is here to stay, and I've got no issue with that.

Who the hell liked the OP on this idea? Two people can't be this dumb...

I think this would curb a lot of the problems with logi suits being basically assaults with more equipment. Think about it... On most other suit setups, what's in its main (non-sidearm) weapon slot largely determines its role. A rocket launcher or forge gun means it's an AV setup; an HMG, AR, etc means it's an assault fit, laser or sniper rifle means it's long range, etc. Most everything else on the suit is based around making it more effective with whatever's in that slot. A repair tool is a logi's main tool, it's about the size of a light weapon, and it's something you point and shoot at people... Sounds like something that would go in that slot without too much difficulty.

This would also mirror the way it is in EVE. Remote repair modules take up high power slots on ships, which is where you'd ordinarily fit weapons. Logistics ships fit remote reps instead of, not in addition to, guns, because that's their main tool for performing their function on the battlefield.

With a repair tool needing to go in the light weapon slot, people using logi suits would be more likely to use them for their intended purpose. They'd still have a sidearm for defense (EDIT: Since this seemed to cause confusion, those without sidearms would be given sidearms so they would all have a weapon) and to make the fit "valid" (which is something I still don't agree with, but that's a topic for another thread), but if they're doing their jobs they'd be sticking with the guys with the bigger guns and keeping them alive and loaded so they can do the killing while the logibro does his logi-ing. He'd also have more equipment slots open for hives, uplinks, and injectors so he can do even more logistics work, helping his team and netting himself more WP.

Coupled with a bonus to repair tool range and/or rep amount (like on EVE's logi ships), as well as better bonuses to light weapons on assault suits, I think this would make people more prone to using logi suits for logi and assault suits for assault. I don't know about you guys, but too often I see myself get killed by a logi suit with a Duvolle AR and think "That isn't what he should be carrying!"

Thinking in terms of balancing out the suits and encouraging people to use suits more for their intended roles. What do you guys think?

I think this would curb a lot of problems with logi suits being basically assaults with more equipment

So with the current way of things, this would be rather not good. When is the last time you heard someone say put a rep tool on your PC fit?

However I think I could get behind this if all logi suits had a sidearm, and the rep tool was buffed a lot. Like an AR and a half worth of DPS. Think about a heavy with one or two of these on him, walk straight into a mob and clean house if the mob isn't smart enough to target the logi. Setup a logi train with the dps'er out front, and logi's chained back till the vulnerable one is in cover. Could break the chain with focused fire. Would be interesting and make the Rep tool something worth not having a gun out.

Being a good logi is not easy. You have less firepower, less attack power, less HP...The only exception to firepower being the Amarrian Logi... And they have less HP.

though like i said in my earlier post that is if they give a drain effect on the rep tool to help keep the logi alive

i wonder how players in PS2 or BF would react if the devs took their guns and gave them only pistols as medics.