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True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:10:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Zahle Undt wrote:Well I guess what this event shows is that more of us want Amarr stuff than the other races, I know that is what drew me into playing a bit again and doing so in FW.
On a side note fighting against the folks that want Minmatar rewards is annoying, whole teams of shotgun and MD assaults/logis LOL OMG this is so true. I hear MDs firing in my sleep this week! I'd have to say I'm a little disappointed that I'm not seeing more lazors on our side. I was envisioning a whole squad of amarr assaults with viziams melting everything in their path. Also, not that we spend as much time in the war barge as we used to, I would still, at least once, love to see it when every person is wearing the appropriate races suit. That's how I picture FW, at least during a coordinated offensive like this. Make it happen, PIE! (Lol, like I need to tell them; I think Aero or True might get so excited they would pass out or have a seizure if they saw that! Medic!) I would.
I can try to get one set up today for some fun. |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics League of Infamy
186
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:37:00 -
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I'm on call at the moment, but assuming I can log on tonight, count me in (no viziam for me, just an elm-7) |
Lea Silencio
D3ath D3alers
421
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:42:00 -
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I will be out the entire weekend and returning sunday night. Keep up the pressure! |
SgtDoughnut
Red Star Jr. EoN.
263
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Posted - 2013.10.11 22:59:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:True Adamance wrote:shaman oga wrote:True Adamance wrote: So even though most of the Amarrian players are out right better than or equal to the MInmatar you would have FW become a popularity contest.
Now FW is a popularity contest, few amarrian players and a lot of hirelings. You simply have attracted the right sympathy, that's why i say you have turned a war for a faction in a normal war for corporations/alliances, there is already PC for that. So you wont admit before that the Minmatar had the greater player base, and that now were benefiting from it you are in a pissy mood.... That's exactly my point, all your hirelings didn't get a f.... about FW till now, the problem is not with PIE, you have always played for amarr FW, the problem is with all the scumbags that have never ever played FW and now they are celebrating a victory. They are in EVE too. Whats your point? They are mercs after all. Its just like how ANON holds the entirety of Minmatar FW together, without them, you don't have enough squads to take the fights through numbers alone. Admittedly though Cubs has been working with us in PIE GD closely and has been a great help to the war effort, its not like he brought his corp in with no reason given, etc. In this case we happened to get EoN who stated months ago that they supported the Am/Cal factions. Whenever they get into FW properly or if they have now is up to them. In space we just got Fweddit back after they left for god knows where, and hopefully CVA might return, if so our fleet with have some serious numbers to them as well.
Is CVA relevant again, or are they still being pressured by all the NBSI guys around them? |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1192
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:02:00 -
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John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2863
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:16:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. If they were I wouldn't mind that since ANON is such a great player to fight against, though I would miss his imputs on the other team, and thrashing he gave us.
However I still think/ have noticed that all of the Matari FW corps are actually gallentean FW corps who come over to hold up the Minmatar's end.
I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:37:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so. Why not? That's kind of the point to an alliance.
There wouldn't be anyone in minmatar fw if that was the case. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2865
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:45:00 -
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First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so. Why not? That's kind of the point to an alliance. There wouldn't be anyone in minmatar fw if that was the case. Few Allainces cross the boundaries between FW zones, some do but that normally isn't the done thing, because in FW eve side you sign up to a milita, and are loyal to that one until you drop it, also if you do drop it your are stuck with negative penalties against the opposing factions.
So sure a whole bunch of Gallentean supporters can come out to the FW zone but they cannot see the complexes in space, so all they can do is fight at the gates.
In FW we need to discourage overlapping, encourage loyalty to one faction, and ensure FW is a variant and enjoyable mode where allied groups can squad up and do things together, but cannot cross over willy nilly depending on what takes their fancy.
The argument, "Oh but were mercenaries" does work here because capsuleers are essentially mercenaries as well as they only fight for one factions at a time. |
First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1193
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Posted - 2013.10.11 23:52:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:True Adamance wrote:First Prophet wrote:John Demonsbane wrote:Nope. Fought them twice last night. Still matari. Oh good. I read a post by trapper awhile ago saying he was switching support to the Amarr. Can't log in to check myself though. I feel like FW needs to be done in a way so that sure you can support your allies when you want, but its not profitable for you to do so. Why not? That's kind of the point to an alliance. There wouldn't be anyone in minmatar fw if that was the case. Few Allainces cross the boundaries between FW zones, some do but that normally isn't the done thing, because in FW eve side you sign up to a milita, and are loyal to that one until you drop it, also if you do drop it your are stuck with negative penalties against the opposing factions. So sure a whole bunch of Gallentean supporters can come out to the FW zone but they cannot see the complexes in space, so all they can do is fight at the gates. In FW we need to discourage overlapping, encourage loyalty to one faction, and ensure FW is a variant and enjoyable mode where allied groups can squad up and do things together, but cannot cross over willy nilly depending on what takes their fancy. The argument, "Oh but were mercenaries" does work here because capsuleers are essentially mercenaries as well as they only fight for one factions at a time. There's kind of a major difference between capsuleers and mercenaries. But that's not the point. I don't see anything "not fun" about crossing over sides. If anything being stuck in one militia is pretty unfun. Plus I doubt it'll ever happen considering CCP's current stance: Do whatever for whoever. I would rather have it so you can jump between allied factions, but can't switch to the opposite alliance. Not without paying some sort of penalty or just having it be super limited. Jumping between Gallente to Minmatar, or Amarr to Caldari = fine. But no Caldari to Minmatar or Amarr to Gallente. Maybe allow players to defect once per year or something, maybe have them grind up standings afterwards some how. |
True Adamance
PIE Inc. Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
2865
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:01:00 -
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First Prophet wrote: There's kind of a major difference between capsuleers and mercenaries. But that's not the point. I don't see anything "not fun" about crossing over sides. If anything being stuck in one militia is pretty unfun. Plus I doubt it'll ever happen considering CCP's current stance: Do whatever for whoever. I would rather have it so you can jump between allied factions, but can't switch to the opposite alliance. Not without paying some sort of penalty or just having it be super limited. Jumping between Gallente to Minmatar, or Amarr to Caldari = fine. But no Caldari to Minmatar or Amarr to Gallente. Maybe allow players to defect once per year or something, maybe have them grind up standings afterwards some how.
Then ask yourself how and why would 4 empires at each others throats all the time hire mercs from one faction to another knowing their loyalties may shift at any time.
How can being LOYAL, the key proponent in FW, be a bad thing. You pick your faction, you earn their gear, unless you wish to switch factions entirely, incur some sort of penalty, and start earning the new gear.
E.G- China vs the USA, UK vs Frace. UK and USA are allies. China and France are for some unknown reason. You don't simply say, "Oh gents tatta for now, loved your tea but I'm off to join the bloody Doughboys in the USA". Its not that easy, It shouldn't be that easy.
Dust needs to be localised, we need to have meaning in where we are, who we decide to be, who we support, and how we choose to approach the game.
Using and FW system like in EVE allows you to do whatever for who ever, its just not easy to reconcile with the people you have been killing for months at a time if you get me.
Basically what we have in FW is
Gal FW- Biggest by Far Amarr FW- Third Largest Minmatar FW- Second Largest Cal FW- Smallest.
The off shoots from Gal FW are primarily what holds the Minmatar up, if Prima Gallicus, Molon Labe, and Turalyon 514 you would have slightly more numbers than us but only a similar number of dedicated corps. What unbalances our FW is that the Gallente are so well supported.
However in EVE you never see the Gallente really encroach into the Am/Min FW zones, because its simply not worth their time away from their own warzone. Which is how it should be in Dust, balanced on a razors edge.
EDIT- There is no difference. They do what they want for who they want up in space, so do we on the ground. |
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First Prophet
Unkn0wn Killers
1193
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:24:00 -
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We're mercenaries. It is known that our loyalties will change. It's not a possibility. It's a certainty. That's what makes us mercenaries. They hire us, because they need us at that time. And it's better that we're hired by them than hired by the enemy. But we can always be hired by the enemy. That's just the business.
There's a difference between being rewarded for being loyal, and being forced into one side.
Anyway, it's more like Gallente/Caldari = Largest. Amarr = Smaller than Gallente/Caldari. Maybe has less players than minmatar but more dedicated corps. Minmatar = Smaller Gallente/Caldari. Less dedicated corps, maybe has more players.
I don't think it should be easy to swap sides, but I do think it should be possible. Locking players in a militia, locks the imbalance. Basically the Gallente would then ALWAYS be well supported, and the Caldari would never have a chance.
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Pvt Numnutz
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State
262
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:34:00 -
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Wow the amarr flipped all the FW districts in 2 days?! Well done my amarr brothers, amarr has truly smiled apon thee. This caldari pilot saluts your efforts! o7 On a side note, why are people so outraged about the amarr hiering good mercs? Isn't that the point of this game? I hope eon mercs get ready to hit the gallente scum, I will certanly fly pythons for the cause!
Again well done amarr |
Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1455
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Posted - 2013.10.12 00:37:00 -
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Uhhhhh I thought plenty of folks played for the Amarr
Also...you do know that Caldari is ally to the Amarr, right?
Stop crying Minmatar and gather your forces instead of whimpering in the corner
Only the strong can endure, the weak cries when the tide of battle changes against their favor... |
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